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How Many AA A300s Are Leaving?  
User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2369 posts, RR: 26
Posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4258 times:

With the announcement by AA of retiring 40-45 M80s and 300s, how many are really being retired in 2008? The original plan was for three to be retired this year, is it still going to be three? Or their press release was just already including the three that were already on plan to go?

http://www.aa.com/content/amrcorp/pr...Releases/2008_05/21_capacity.jhtml


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21534 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4240 times:

3 leases up this year, 3 next year, 9 the year after, and 9 in 2011. That's all the leases. 10 are owned.

So, they could sell up to 10 for conversion to F, but have to either keep flying or park and still pay for 21 A300s.



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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4085 times:

How many total in the fleet?

User currently offlineCrAAzy From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 792 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3968 times:

With the 3 expiring leases and 10 owned, AA could remove up to 13 A300s without having to park aircraft they're still making lease payments by the end of this year.

They way they are going, we just may see more than the 3 with expiring leases this year leaving the fleet.

I wonder if AA is thinking that by retiring more A300s, they can help fill 767 and 777 pilot shortages with many of the A300 pilots. (Assuming these pilots are some of the more senior).

[Edited 2008-05-30 11:25:10]

User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2369 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3968 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
3 leases up this year, 3 next year, 9 the year after, and 9 in 2011. That's all the leases. 10 are owned.

Correct, the questions is with this new announcement, will it still be three this year?

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 2):
How many total in the fleet?

34, ten owned, and 24 leased.



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User currently offlineMoMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3731 times:

34.

I bet that if oil prices weren't so high we would see a lease renewal. AA still does not have the lift to replace these aircraft.



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User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3718 times:

AA needs the A300s for Caribbean/Latin America cargo capacity...I highly doubt they would get rid off all of them quickly. Hopefully things improve in the next 2-5yrs and a replacement is leased or ordered. The 763/777 fleet is tied up and would be too expensive to cover A300 routes. The AA A300's have more cargo capacity than the AA 763's.

User currently offlineMoMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3616 times:



Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 6):
The 763/777 fleet is tied up and would be too expensive to cover A300 routes. The AA A300's have more cargo capacity than the AA 763's.

I never see AA replacing economy flying A300s with premium 767/777 aircraft. We are going to see another 717 debacle here - once the A300s are gone, AA will kick themselves in the ass. A300 routes cannot be flown with 757 for the cargo reasons alone.

At the same time it will be difficult to see AA buying 787s to put on these routes so the logical conclusion is that AA lets the cargo business go by the wayside.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21534 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3598 times:



Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 6):
AA needs the A300s for Caribbean/Latin America cargo capacity...I highly doubt they would get rid off all of them quickly.

With the high price of oil and food, shipping via air from the caribbean may not be that strong going forward.



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User currently offlineCrAAzy From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 792 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3398 times:



Quoting MoMan (Reply 7):
AA needs the A300s for Caribbean/Latin America cargo capacity

Not sure AA needs anything.

If a 767/757 goes out full with higher paying fares and a belly full of cargo it should be making money. Granted they may be able to fill an A300 instead at times, but to my knowledge, it's not AA's responsibility to guarantee a certain amount of cargo capacity in any market.
Simple supply and demand ... like oil  Wow!


User currently offlineAT From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1047 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3217 times:

I know that people refer to AA's A300 as the scarebuses, but I recently flew on them from JFK to San Juan and back and was pretty impressed: both flights were on time, the cabins were clean, and the takeoff performance was very impressive despite the full loads. I remember we took off from JFK on Runway 4L and were airborne even before we reached the intersection point with the perpendicular 13R/31L... Felt great.

I felt a sense of nostalgia as so few airlines still operate the A300 and they won't be around for much longer it seems... May be I will have to start wrapping myself in a box and flying FedEx!!


User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1074 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2755 times:

I’ve seen the new (still tentative) A300 schedule, and it requires 8 fewer aircraft than the current one, due to the removal of A300’s from the following routes -:

3 daily MCO-SJU canceled (AA exits market)
1 daily JFK-SJU canceled (2xAB6 and 1x757 remain)
1 daily JFK-SDQ canceled (1x763 remains)
1 daily JFK-STI canceled (1xAB6 remains)
1 daily FLL-SJU canceled (AA exits market)
1 daily FLL-PAP reduced to 757
1 daily MIA-PAP reduced to 757 (2 daily AB6 remain)
1 daily JFK-PUJ reduced to 757
1 daily JFK-MBJ reduced to 757
1 daily JFK-CUN reduced to 757

Currently there are 34 aircraft, operating a schedule which requires 28. The new proposed schedule requires just 20, a reduction of 8.
Therefore, it would be expected that 8-9 A300’s are to be retired from AA this year, accounting for roughly one quarter of the fleet total.

Schedules are still not finalized yet – any of these details could be changed in the next few weeks.



Ryan / HKG
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21534 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2501 times:

So where are the 757s coming from. Sounds like they need 3 at JFK to make that work, though each only for 12 hours a day. The PAP flying is obviously simple with increasing utilization of 757s at MIA/FLL, as those aren't long flights.


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User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2388 times:

I heard on AA rumor mill another reason the A300 is pulled from FLL-PAP is to ease the maintenance burden and concentrate it on JFK/MIA bases. Whenever there was an A300 mechanical in FLL it was a headache, AA had to make sure a "healthy" A300 was scheduled on the SJU-FLL overnight to cover the FLL-PAP early morning departure. A300 routing on that market still is: AA2251/AA1952 MCO-SJU-FLL (overnight) FLL-PAP-FLL-SJU-MCO (overnight) AA1963/AA1522. The A300 on the FLL-PAP/FLL-SJU usually hovered between MIA/SJU/MCO before ending up in FLL. The FAs/pilots were paired up w/the equipment to facilitate schedule dependability which improved dramatically ever since. Too bad it won't last long...

User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1074 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2388 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 12):
So where are the 757s coming from. Sounds like they need 3 at JFK to make that work, though each only for 12 hours a day. The PAP flying is obviously simple with increasing utilization of 757s at MIA/FLL, as those aren't long flights.

Well, there are some pretty massive cuts to 757 flying too -:

2xdaily FLL-SJU (AA exits market)
2xdaily BOS-SJU (1x757 remains)
1xdaily ORD-SJU (1x757 remains)
1xdaily DFW-SJU (2x757 remains)
1xdaily EWR-SJU (AA exits market)
1xdaily IAD-SJU (AA exits market)
1xdaily BWI-SJU (AA exits market)
2xdaily SJU-SDQ (Eagle remains in market)
1xdaily SJU-SXM (Eagle remains in market)
1xdaily SJU-ANU (Eagle remains in market)
1xdaily SJU-STT (Eagle remains in market)
1xdaily BOS-SAN (AA exits market)

Plus LAX-SJU which operates less than daily.

The cuts will free up more than enough 757’s to cover the A300 routes mentioned.



Ryan / HKG
User currently offlineVictorKilo From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2013 times:

If I'm looking at this right, there are only four A300 flights left outside of MIA: 2x JFK-SJU, 1x JFK-STI, and 1x JFK-PAP.

At what point would it make sense to move all of the A300s to MIA and convert these routes to 757's?


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