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User currently onlineJoeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 941 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 5 months 4 days ago) and read 13130 times:

United's schedule cuts came out yesterday...lets see what kind of list we can make here...there should be about 70 flights total here are a few.

ANC-DEN gets cut
OMA-DEN goes from 6x to 5x all mainline
MCI-DEN goes from 7x to 6x (1 express and 5 mainline)

LAX-HKG gets cut
LAX-DSM gets cut
LAX-TUL gets cut
LAX-OKC 2x CR7 to 1x CR7

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User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4949 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 12890 times:

Hmmm... Surprised LAX-HKG is going. So I guess now UA891 (LAX-NRT) can be a 744 again?


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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 12864 times:

When do these cuts take place?

I checked into September & October, and BFL is still showing 3x daily EM2 to LAX and SFO, and 2x daily CRJ to DEN.

Usually, that's the FIRST market to get cut...



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User currently onlineJoeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 941 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 12661 times:

I just checked the middle of October, don't know when they actually get cut.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25838 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 12596 times:

Much of the United changes will commence September 2nd, however very few have been loaded yet in res system.

UA will have plenty additional route cuts and station closing, but I'll keep these quiet until they are announced widely internally or others stumble on them first.

[Edited 2008-05-30 12:40:29]


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User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6046 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 12263 times:

looks like DEN-RDU goes as of 9/2


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User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 11993 times:



Quoting United1 (Reply 5):
looks like DEN-RDU goes as of 9/2

Could this be considered a victory for WN?


User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4424 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 11639 times:
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Quoting B752OS (Reply 6):
Could this be considered a victory for WN?

IIRC it was announced as seasonal (even though there is no doubt more demand than that) because UA would have to hire mainline employees at RDU if there is mainline more than 6 months or so a year.


User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2688 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 11469 times:



Quoting San747 (Reply 1):
Hmmm... Surprised LAX-HKG is going. So I guess now UA891 (LAX-NRT) can be a 744 again?

Didn't they just reopen the route? That's sad, but I suppose if it's not paying the bills, it's gotta go.


User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 11237 times:

Quoting San747 (Reply 1):
Hmmm... Surprised LAX-HKG is going. So I guess now UA891 (LAX-NRT) can be a 744 again?

No, rumor is KWI will go to a 744 when DXB comes on line. So that is where the plane may go.

Or KWI will go back to 3 days a week and the plane will do 4 Dubai's. So maybe a new route or
UA may be shedding a 747-400.

I know they do have a NW one back from the tail end of NWAs orders for the plane that is sorta old.

N105UA is a 747-451 and the only non-422/22 order numbers in the fleet besides the 18 767-300s that where to go to TWA. But UA got to them in time and besides the GPS..... they are like the rest of the fleet.

It is painted in the new paint, but UA sent a newly painted 737 to MZJ like almost right after it was painted, so who knows.

[Edited 2008-05-30 14:41:54]

User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10913 times:



Quoting Joeljack (Thread starter):
LAX-DSM gets cut

What LAXDSM route? There's no routing on united.com.



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User currently offlineWhatUsaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10849 times:



Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 10):
Quoting Joeljack (Thread starter):
LAX-DSM gets cut

What LAXDSM route? There's no routing on united.com.

That was a Skywest UAX flight, if I remember correctly.

But, back to the original post - you're saying schedules were loaded this week. For what start date? They were updated for September just a few weeks ago... Do we have yet another round of September changes or is this for later in the fall?


User currently offlineJohnclipper From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2005, 851 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10784 times:



Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 9):
besides the 18 767-300s that where to go to TWA.

The B763s were ordered and purpose-built for UA.


User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6046 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10533 times:

Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 9):
No, rumor is KWI will go to a 744 when DXB comes on line. So that is where the plane may go.

UA 891 LAX-NRT switches from a 777 to a 744 on September 1st...I have no idea if KWI will be upgraded or not its not showing anything other then a 777 at this point but its possible as the route is rumored to be profitable.

Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 9):
N105UA is a 747-451 and the only non-422/22 order numbers in the fleet besides the 18 767-300s that where to go to TWA. But UA got to them in time and besides the GPS..... they are like the rest of the fleet.

None of UAs 767s were ever destined for TWA all were ordered by UA for UA.

There were 2 747-451s that NW ordered and decided not to take delivery of UA took delivery of both of those aircraft straight form Boeing. Both of those aircraft were completely converted to UA standards before delivery, from what I understand the only difference between the 747-422 and the 747-451 that UA still operates is the color of the jumpseat on the flight deck. One of the 747-451s that UA had was returned to its lessor in BK the other one is still in service.

[Edited 2008-05-30 16:00:51]


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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10467 times:

Im betting PIA-DEN might go..it is a CRJ on a 800+ mile route...real bad for thsi environment

User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6046 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10443 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 14):
Im betting PIA-DEN might go..it is a CRJ on a 800+ mile route...real bad for thsi environment

I was wondering about that one unless they have a contract with Caterpillar for business travel I would think that cutting it would have to be on the table.



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User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10318 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 13):
None of UAs 767s were ever destined for TWA all were ordered by UA for UA.

TWA ordered them but UAL took them over when TWA fell on hardship.

UA got to have everything they wanted in BUT added/kept the Pegasus FMC w/ GPS b/c at the time UA was taking 777s like a made man knew GPS was the next best thing.

I know UA had the 767s made for them as well as the 747s.... I guess I meant to say, these aircraft where ordered by other airlines and UA ended up taking them

N105UA is the only 451 flying right now and is getting up in age I think.
All the 767s are -322 and most any things that would have been TWA is in the tech. part of the airplane that PAX's don't even notice.

[Edited 2008-05-30 16:16:40]

User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6046 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10135 times:



Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 17):
TWA ordered them but UAL took them over when TWA fell on hardship.

UA got to have everything they wanted in BUT added the Pegasus FMC w/ GPS b/c at the time UA was taking 777s like a made man knew GPS was the next best thing.

No UA ordered them straight from Boeing, I have no idea where you got TWA out of this but UA never assumed any 767 order from TWA. All of TWAs 763s were sourced from leasing companies or second hand, and as far as I know TW never ordered any 767s from Boeing besides their original 10 762s.

UAs 767 orders over the years...

1978 19 762
1989 16 763
1991 7 763
1997 8 763
1998 6 763

Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 17):
N105UA is the only 451 flying right now and is getting up in age I think.

N105UA was delivered on 6/17/1994



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User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10133 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 18):
No UA ordered them straight from Boeing, I have no idea where you got TWA out of this but UA never assumed any 767 order from TWA. All of TWAs 763s were sourced from leasing companies or second hand, and as far as I know TW never ordered any 767s from Boeing besides their original 10 762s.

I got my info from a 767 standards captain for UA

Maybe he was thinking UA took TWA's slots for a good price.

[Edited 2008-05-30 16:36:28]

User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8437 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10002 times:
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Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 17):
All the 767s are -322 and most any things that would have been TWA is in the tech. part of the airplane that PAX's don't even notice.

TWA's Boeing version were for example 747-131's. UA 767-322ER were ordered by United, if they had been TWA ordered then they would be 767-331ER's.


User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 9975 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 20):

TWA's Boeing version were for example 747-131's. UA 767-322ER were ordered by United, if they had been TWA ordered then they would be 767-331ER's.

read all posts  Wink


User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6046 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 9924 times:



Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 19):
I got my info from a 767 standards captain for UA

sorry but hes wrong.....

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 20):
TWA's Boeing version were for example 747-131's. UA 767-322ER were ordered by United, if they had been TWA ordered then they would be 767-331ER's.



Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 21):
read all posts

He did ,and what hes trying to tell you is that Boeing does NOT change customer codes its entirely possible that DL is going to be operating 787-851s untill a follow up order where Boeing will produce a 787 with DLs customer code.



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User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 9903 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 22):
He did ,and what hes trying to tell you is that Boeing does NOT change customer codes its entirely possible that DL is going to be operating 787-851s untill a follow up order where Boeing will produce a 787 with DLs customer code.

I know that, as I said above in a previous post

UA must have taken TWAs 6 spots when TWA canceled their orders, is maybe what he meant.

Like I said, besides the Buses and N105UA, all planes are 22 order numbers just like everyone knows  Smile

[Edited 2008-05-30 16:53:44]

User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6046 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 9862 times:



Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 23):
I know that, as I said above in a previous post

As my last post on this topic because its off topic for this thread and its like beating a dead horse....

TWA never ordered the 767-300 from Boeing the 9 that they operated were either from leasing companies or second hand sources. TW never had the 767-300ER on order so there were no slots for them to sell to UA.



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User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 9827 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 23):

TWA never ordered the 767-300 from Boeing the 9 that they operated were either from leasing companies or second hand sources. TW never had the 767-300ER on order so there were no slots for them to sell to UA.

Sounds good, sorry this got way off the original posted topic.

[Edited 2008-05-30 17:02:47]

25 Joeljack : The DEN-OMA and DEN-MCI reductions were loaded a few weeks ago but the LAX-DSM/TUL changes just posted yesterday. Anyone notice other domestic change
26 United1 : It may just be seasonal but the LAX-PHL Red-Eye is cut on September 2nd, leaving one daily flight.
27 UnitedTristar : RDU was reopened as mainline UA station with mainline employees last year along with JAX and FSD -m
28 UnitedSuperDC8 : Can anyone post the exact IAM agreement language about criteria for requiring staffing a station with mainline IAM ramp/agents?
29 Mcdu : SC's have never been known for their accuracy or flying ability for that matter. Especially the 767 fleet. That group in particular has a terrible re
30 ANCFlyer : Bastards. Less competition for AS and the only *A carrier left up here is US . . . terrific. Now I have to go to PHX or LAS to get anywhere if I choo
31 FlyCMH : Some more schedule cuts/downgrades effective 02SEP: DAY-DEN: discontinued CLE-DEN: downgraded from 733 to CR7 CVG-DEN: reduced to 1x daily CR7 CVG-IAD
32 Usairways85 : LAX-PHL has been cut pretty drastically recently. It used to be 3x daily with a mix of 319/320's with mostly 320's in the summer. Now the schedule st
33 AirlineBrat : SFO-ACV is reduced from 7x daily to 6x daily EM2's. SFO-RDD is reduced from 5 x daily to 4 x daily EM2's SFO-MFR is reduced from 8 x daily (7 EM2, 1 C
34 AWACSooner : Glad to see OKC-LAX isn't completely going away...yet (but you know that's ultimately coming).
35 Bmacleod : Well at least no Canadian cities on UA's network are on the chopping block. Any more 747-400s being sent to Mojave?
36 LACA773 : Is it possible this UA route has decreased this route to a sole flight this Autum because they code share with US on their 4 or 5 daily flights on th
37 Tys777 : looks like DEN-TYS down to 1x CR7 from 2x
38 Jlbmedia : So that makes 5-6 PHL-LAX daily trips from around 10 a day. Dose this "right size" this route or is it now under served?[Edited 2008-05-31 12:10:26]
39 Post contains links UnitedSuperDC8 : United does well in Canada (probably helped by its Star Alliance codeshareing with Air Canada). I recall reading recently that United plans to add re
40 FlyDreamliner : Will they increase ORD-HKG to 10x/week like before they added LAX-HKG? Will SFO get more frequency, or will this go away all together? Where are the
41 Post contains links United1 : http://www.chicagotribune.com/busine...united-tiltonmay31,0,2981634.story Just in case anyone wants to read the article.
42 LAXintl : United filed required notice of pending decision with the union regarding DC 744 basing. The small number of any potential future IAD 744 flying can b
43 United1 : So far based off what has been posted on this thread and others... Cuts: DEN-ANC gets cut DEN-OMA goes from 6x to 5x all mainline DEN-MCI goes from 7x
44 Tys777 : IAD-BNA from 3x to 2x daily all on E145 DEN-MSP sees their morning mainline flight downgraded to a E70 Here is an increase ORD-BNA Goes from 4x to 5x
45 Jfk777 : Removig 744 from IAD seems a bit drastic, IAD to PEK seems to performing well. The ability of a UA 777 to make the flight from IAD to PEK nonstop with
46 LAXintl : By what measure? Loads have been weak. The 777 is much better sized for the market at the moment then the 744. The 777 ran the route this winter just
47 UnitedSuperDC8 : I wouldn't consider removing 2-3 rotations a day drastic. It is probably more effective to schedule the planes where they can fit in more efficient s
48 CALPSAFltSkeds : I thought one of the best claims to the IAD-PEK service was the seat size of the 744 vs. CO's 772ER.
49 UAL777UK : Surely with the olympics forward bookings on IAD-PEK on the 744 must be strong? Beyond that, if loads are going to drop off then switching to the 777
50 PanAm330 : On LAX-NRT, from what I've read. Maybe that's from the LAX-HKG 744, though. Either way, we do see one LAX-NRT frequency upgraded.
51 United1 : LAX-NRT was upgaged due to LAX-HKG being cut.
52 LAXintl : From the way things are shaping up, China travel this summer will be somewhat an anti-climax. While there is good volume of corporate and Olympic rel
53 FlyDreamliner : There seems to be a lot of confusion as to what this is about. It is a matter of cutting costs as much as anything. Fewer seats means they don't have
54 F9Widebody : DEN-OAK also goes from mainline to TED. Rar!
55 UnitedSuperDC8 : In addition to scheduled service to China, United has some healthy charter revenue scheduled for the Olympics from NBC Sports.
56 LACA773 : Is this mainly because of the competition with WN? ORD-OAK will stay mainline? Will DEN-SJC go from mainline to Ted also? How are loads on LAX-FRA-LA
57 Post contains images UnitedTristar : ORD OAK has been gone for quite a while now -m [Edited 2008-06-01 12:04:49]
58 LAXintl : I believe there will be more tweaks to come including both ORD-China flights downgauge to a 777 for the winter. Considering the Atlantic route was un
59 LACA773 : Thanks for the information UnitedTristar (I sure miss those L15s !) As always thanks. LAXIntl for the information. I'm glad it's doing well for them.
60 UAL777UK : I would be very surprised if UA dropped LAX-LHR as stated above, the premium cabins are pretty busy and not just upgrades. Yields must be holding up r
61 AndyinPIT : Just to clarify. This is actually the 1st time the 3rd DEN flight was mainline. Ever since it was introduced last summer it was a CR7, and it was alw
62 Lexy : Why not throw a mainline on one of those flights?
63 EMB170 : IND-ORD - loses two CRJs but gains an E70 to go from 9 daily to 8 daily IND-IAD - loses two E70s but gains two E45s to stay at 4 daily IND-DEN- no cha
64 Tys777 : Because it's BNA...why do they only see E145's from CO either.
65 United1 : Just to keep the running tally going.. So far based off what has been posted on this thread and others... Cuts: DEN-ANC gets cut DEN-OMA goes from 6x
66 USAirALB : RDU doesn't have ml yearround?
67 United1 : RDU has mainline from IADx3 and ORDx2 on UA...
68 PanAm330 : Man, once you collect it all into one list, it appears DEN is getting hammered! I long for the days where DEN was UA's golden child. Damn WN.
69 Post contains links Mariner : According to the Rocky Mountain News on May 13, DEN gets other cuts, not on your list: http://www.rockymountainnews.com/new...-percent-of-its-flights
70 United1 : Not unexpected, and all in all so far its only about 18-20 flights (departure and arrival) actually lost, the rest are downgrades and even an additio
71 Post contains links United1 : Quoting Mariner (Reply 69): I don't know who is right. I'm just compiling the list based off whats on this thread, as others have alluded to there are
72 MSYtristar : One of the three DEN-MSY flights is being reduced to Sunday-only service from September through early October, then it resumes daily service. A typic
73 MSYtristar : LAX-MSY is 2x daily right now, will be 1x daily in September, and then 2x daily again in October.
74 United1 : Cool thanks made the changes...
75 MSYtristar : Also IAD-MSY, currently 3x daily, will be 2x daily from September through late October....then it goes back to 3x daily.
76 United1 : Will change that the next time I update the list I can't edit it anymore.
77 Lexy : Another good question. RDU, Raleigh-freakin-Durham has mainline UA flights and BNA can't manage ONE? That's a joke! I'm sorry for the rant, but that
78 Philly65 : I think underserved for 2 of the nation's largest cities/metro areas. I am sure Virgin America has this market on its radar.
79 Philly65 : PHL-LAX that is.
80 ERJ170 : RDU went year round mainline October 2007... with Denver.. then ORD was upgraded.. then IAD was upgraded... So with United bowing out, could WN be th
81 UAORD2000 : Expect a major announcement on June 6th. Something along the lines of a furlough. Just jumpseat talk, but an announcement is expected on the 6th.
82 UnitedSuperDC8 : I wouldn't say this is unexpected considering United is decreasing capacity by at least 9% at the end of the summer and is grounding at least 30 main
83 Travelin man : I flew UA 904 today LAX-FRA, and it was surprisingly full. 2 empty (middle) seats in the C cabin, and Y was nearly full as well (didn't see the F cab
84 LACA773 : Thankyou for the information Travelin Man. I apreciate it. I hope this route works out for UA and it stays around for a long time.
85 Denverdanny : In regards to the Denver cuts, I thought the City of Denver had a deal with United that they would forgive the airline certain monetary things, like d
86 LACA773 : I just did a flight & seat count on LAX-ORD & IAD hub routes. I knew there would be the usual "reductions" going from the busy Summer season to the qu
87 Zone1 : It looks like SPI-IAD is being terminated starting July 4th. I thought this route was too good to be true because BMI doesn't even have a non-stop to
88 Post contains links ADent : Chicago Tribune says all 737s out along with some 747s. http://www.chicagotribune.com/busine...603ual-plane-story,0,4018539.story
89 Tys777 : and the sad thing is that it's not going to change anytime soon. Looks like it might even be a stretch to hope for an E170 or something of the like s
90 MIASkies : With the 737's being phased out and RDU being a 737 city for UA; w/ DEN being cut... will IAD and ORD become 319 and Express cities? or will they swit
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