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Turkish Aviation June 2008  
User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4435 posts, RR: 12
Posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 8325 times:

Welcome to another addition of Turkish Aviation;
Summer is in full swing and I would like to start by saying "Congratulations" to TK, still taking in profits and growing.
What to expect this summer:
-Two 343s were supposed to join this month from JM, one of them was photographed in the beginning of May already painted in TK colors, named "Pamukkale". What is the hold up?
-While we all are waiting for TK to get some 744Fs, ACT gets a 747-200F ex Martin air.
-I hear a lot of unhappy AnadoluJet customers, what is consensus so far on it?
-We saw the new TK logo, reverse colors on the tail. Any more news on that?
-1 more 321, 5 more 320s, 7 more 738s to arrive to TK until the end of this year.
-Looking at TK timetables, ALA, ASB, TSE, GYD, FRU, KHI are all served by 738s, is that true?
-IST-JED is going double daily? Adana-Jeddah is ending?

Comments, news, experiences, questions are all welcome.
Thanks for all your input.

Here is the thread from last June:
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...general_aviation/read.main/3437637

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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26994 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 8168 times:

Nice intro TK787

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
I hear a lot of unhappy AnadoluJet customers, what is consensus so far on it?

What kind of things were they unhappy about??

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
-Two 343s were supposed to join this month from JM, one of them was photographed in the beginning of May already painted in TK colors, named "Pamukkale". What is the hold up?

Will the new 343's have TK's own cabin interior and seats?


User currently offlineEmre767 From Turkey, joined Feb 2008, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 8140 times:

About AnadoluJet... Many passengers are complaning that the planes are very old. Now, accepting the fact that 737 Classics are more than 10 years old, I don't think they are historical material. Maybe smaller leg room makes them think that way.

I've also been told some strange tales, which include white/pale faced (because of fear) flight attendants complaining the passengers about the reliability of those planes. Well, in a certain point of view, to many passengers and even to some F/A's, old aircraft are also unreliable.

That scared mysterious F/A's also say that those 734 birds aren't allowed in SA member TK fleet because they are too old and dangerous to fly. I think this is the point where the story gets more interesting. According to the tales, THY decided to create a puppet airline to fly those 734s and SA doesn't allow the members to fly this type of planes. Remembering the many 737 Classics and Airbus A300/310's flown by SA members, I really don't buy this.

The news about the AnadoluJet plane that suffered a stuck landing gear seems to boost this kind of hear and says. That's a shame.


User currently offlineEmre767 From Turkey, joined Feb 2008, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8111 times:

I wrote the recent message in a hurry, so I see that I missed the beginning of my post  Smile Apparently I forgot to paste the introduction part, so here it is:

Hello everyone,

I've never flown with AnadoluJet but there are many many strange rumours about them. Apart from that, I am happy to see a 747 under Turkish registration. I hope more will come soon, why not some trijets like Dc-10 or even Md-11s  Smile


User currently offlineMbg From Turkey, joined Nov 2005, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8004 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
What kind of things were they unhappy about??

I complained here last month about TK abandoning the ESB-ADB route completely and offering only AnadoluJet service. At the time, AnadoluJet lacked certain amenities that one normally gets with TK, if eligible (e.g., CIP lounge access). I have later read many similar complaints elsewhere.

Since then, I am pleased to hear that TK has moved to make up for the lack of such services. They should have been proactive and should have thought about such issues in advance. Still, I hope more will come.

Quoting Emre767 (Reply 2):

The rest is BS, in my opinion.

Cheers,

mbg


User currently offlineEmre767 From Turkey, joined Feb 2008, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7971 times:

mbg,

I agree with you. Totally BS. But today I saw another news about how AnadoluJet crew threw out a disabled passenger. Now I am starting to think some conspiracy theories... There is a "so called war" between coach operators and cheap airlines. I think many rumours are provoked by some pro-coach people. Coach operators are mercilessly attacking both airlines and railroad in their slightest mistake. They just don't see their mistakes but they stretch every weakness of the airlines because they loose so many passengers.

On the other hand, Anadolu started to offer CIP lounge access.

Anyway, do you have any ideas about ACT 747 crew? Did the plane came with its own pilots or ACT was already training its own crews for 747? If I'm not mistaken, it is a 3 crew plane, with an engineer (if it's not retrofitted with fancy glasses).

Have a nice day.


User currently offlineEmrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 940 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7949 times:

Ugur Cebeci has written that next year the runway 06/24 will be under maintenance. I cannot think about the delays in IST next summer. Also he has mentioned that the average traffic on May'08 in IST is around 840 take offs and landings. This summer will also be a disaster I guess  Sad

User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7942 times:

A touchy subject - with European air-transport "rationalized" into three major groups- BA,AF and LH - plus the two Easyjet and Ryanair as dominant key players ,where is the place for THY ?
Turkey is rather part of the Middle East in terms of business-focus ,culture and political partner-environment. Now do you think THY is big enough to sustain the current and future tornado's around fuel-prices,hegding,drop in yield's and fleet-management.
I know that THY has been growing very fast and in a sustained manner-but have we reached already a critical size compared to independant survival,or does THY have to find financial investments from a partner-airline ?
Iran for instance is a big trading-partner for Turkey ( but Iran-Air can not be considered as investing partner-airline for political and technical reasons -there are fleet limitations because of US emabrgo ) -
But could THY invest in smaller airlines ( Syrianair,Azerbijan,Bulgarian,Ukrainian,Turkmenistan ) and grow it's regional weight and importance ?
Ther Gulf area is growing expotentially fast as transfer-hub territory (Emirates,Qatar,Ethidad,Air Arabia ) and that's the most dangerous competitors for THY for business into Asia.



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User currently offlineEmrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 940 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7933 times:

http://www.airporthaber.com/v3/read.php?newid=2759

First pics of the new Turkish (not TK) 747. But it is told that the owner is AnkAir not ACT. Is there anyone who knows more details?


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7896 times:

Some more news about TK getting 2 744Fs ?

User currently offlineTKfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7866 times:

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 7):
Turkey is rather part of the Middle East in terms of business-focus ,culture and political partner-environment.

The first time I have to disagree with you. Most Europeans may see Turkey as a part of Middle East but Turkey considers itself as a part of Europe. Its not only since Atatürks reforms but also since the Ottoman Tanzimat (=Reform) Laws from 1839 to establish European standards in Turkey.

Speaking of Business, 65.5% of Turkeys Exports are for Europe (51.3% to the EU) and 60.5% of their Imports are from Europe (38.9% from EU states).
For Comparison, same time period Jan-Apr 2008, the Exports to the Middle East have a share of 15.1% and the Imports a share of 7.6%.
Maybe its not the best indicator, but as it is an aviation site we may get an idea of the business travellers, Turkish Airlines has carried 69.1% of its PAX to/from Europe and just 11.1% to/from Middle East.

Culturally we may have some similarities, be it the religion, few traditions, or food, but thats what we also share with some Balkan or Caucasian Countries. Our Language is neither a European nor a Middle Eastern etc.etc.

And speaking of politics Turkey is involved in a lot of European Associations and Organisations and in only few Middle Eastern (if ever, Islamic Conference, Islamic developing bank (?)).


Sorry if it got a bit off topic, but I m really annoyed if Turkey is considered as a Arabic or Middle Eastern Country. Its not that I have a problem with Arabs or Middle East, its just the ignorance of some Europeans or Westerners to distinguish the difference.

On another note, I am really surprised you wrote this as I thought you are well informed about Turkey and the Middle East?

[Edited 2008-06-02 05:33:31]

User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7855 times:



Quoting TKfan (Reply 10):
On another note, I am really surprised you wrote this as I thought you are well informed about Turkey and the Middle East?

I have spent quite some time working in Ankara and Istanbul in a previous life and spent 20 years working in the Middle East -so my involvment into the area and economy is somewhat more than superficial..
To me Turkey should not become a memebr of the EEC ,since it would immediatedly increase cost of living for the Turkish population and companies,introduce charges that the Turkish economy is currently avoiding. I'm not afraid about a potential influx of more Turkish immigrant workers into Europe-I'm 150% pro-Turkish- but i'm afraid of the negative fall-out of a potential € conversion of the NTL with devastating effects on the average Turkish household.
Europe has currently ton's of economic problems that are not encountered in Turkey's neighbouring countries.While I recognize the importance of trade with the EEC-specially Germany- I would not neglect strenghthening economic (not political ) ties with countries like Iran,Syria,Israel,Lebanon,Ukraine,Irak,Algeria,Egypt,Black-African countries and the Central Asian republics,which will see bigger growth-rates than most EEC countries.
Comming back to aviation- TK have a big deal of their revenue derived from the European market ,Germany being by far the biggest.I don't underestimate that strategic importance.
But THY alone -in some years-might face an uphill battle against the Gulf airlines.You can not base your sole emphanzis on Europe but have to think worst-case scenarios.
So my initial question was what and how can THY forcast tempest scenario's for survival ?



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User currently offlinePilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 7845 times:

hi kids, im back from my never ending military service and doing my recurrent training  Smile hope everyone is well, looks like the sector is picking up pace for this summer!


The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
User currently offlineEmrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 940 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 7842 times:



Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 12):

Kaptan hoşgeldin...

So when will you begin flights?


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4435 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 7824 times:



Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 12):

Time flies,
Welcome back, really missed you on these threads. I am sure you will be back to "normal" in no time.


User currently offlineTKfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 7821 times:



Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 11):
I have spent quite some time working in Ankara and Istanbul in a previous life and spent 20 years working in the Middle East -so my involvment into the area and economy is somewhat more than superficial..

 Wink I know that as I read your posts since some years on both a.net and a.de. Thats why I was surprised about that one sentence.

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 11):
To me Turkey should not become a memebr of the EEC ,since it would immediatedly increase cost of living for the Turkish population and companies,introduce charges that the Turkish economy is currently avoiding. I'm not afraid about a potential influx of more Turkish immigrant workers into Europe-I'm 150% pro-Turkish- but i'm afraid of the negative fall-out of a potential € conversion of the NTL with devastating effects on the average Turkish household.
Europe has currently ton's of economic problems that are not encountered in Turkey's neighbouring countries.While I recognize the importance of trade with the EEC-specially Germany- I would not neglect strenghthening economic (not political ) ties with countries like Iran,Syria,Israel,Lebanon,Ukraine,Irak,Algeria,Egypt,Black-African countries and the Central Asian republics,which will see bigger growth-rates than most EEC countries.

I fully agree and would put my signature to that statement.
In recent years Turkey has strenghtened its relationship not only to its neighbouring countries but also to African and Asian Countries.

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 11):
Comming back to aviation- TK have a big deal of their revenue derived from the European market ,Germany being by far the biggest.I don't underestimate that strategic importance.
But THY alone -in some years-might face an uphill battle against the Gulf airlines.You can not base your sole emphanzis on Europe but have to think worst-case scenarios.
So my initial question was what and how can THY forcast tempest scenario's for survival ?

We had discussed some of this here on A.net in various Turkish Aviation threads and
on http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/3953195.

The recent interview with Temel Kotil on Flighglobal is a nice summary of it.
Though Turkish Airlines does not fear competition neither from European nor from Gulf Airlines.


User currently offlineTKfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 7819 times:



Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 12):

Wellcome back Pilotaydin, nice to see (read) you again  Wink


User currently offlineCostastic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7816 times:

Random question, but is there a word in Turkish for the English word energize (rouse into activity, put forth energy, etc)? Thanks.

User currently offlineBahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1791 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7709 times:



Quoting Emre767 (Reply 2):
That scared mysterious F/A's also say that those 734 birds aren't allowed in SA member TK fleet because they are too old and dangerous to fly. I think this is the point where the story gets more interesting. According to the tales, THY decided to create a puppet airline to fly those 734s and SA doesn't allow the members to fly this type of planes. Remembering the many 737 Classics and Airbus A300/310's flown by SA members, I really don't buy this.

The news about the AnadoluJet plane that suffered a stuck landing gear seems to boost this kind of hear and says. That's a shame.

This is exactly what turkish media reports : hog wash.. There are older 737s in the Star Alliance fleets, just take a look at United's 733 s and 735s.



Earthbound misfit I
User currently offlineEmre767 From Turkey, joined Feb 2008, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7693 times:



Quoting Bahadir (Reply 18):

Sure, also let's not forget Lufthansa 733s and 735 along with A300s, LOT 733/4/5s, SAS 734-735s, Spanair MDs, Thai 737 Classics... And the list might go on further. What a piece of nonsense..


User currently offlineEmre767 From Turkey, joined Feb 2008, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7652 times:



Quoting Costastic (Reply 17):
Random question, but is there a word in Turkish for the English word energize (rouse into activity, put forth energy, etc)? Thanks.


Hello Costatic, "energize" means "enerji vermek" - "güç vermek" (mot à mot translations are "giving energy" and "giving power") or you could also say "canlandırmak" or "harekete geçirmek (putting into movement) when you mean you push someone to do something.

http://www.zargan.com/sozluk.asp?Sozcuk=energize is a good resource to make decent word translations, you can also search for the Turkish words to see the exact meaning you want.


User currently offlineBahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1791 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 7603 times:

As far as 747, there is a second one on its way. Both are Martinair operated airplanes, so i am guessing the dispatch reliability is great with good mx. (Instead of a bastard plane that has been around the block through 15 different operators).

Also, Pegasus will receive its 3rd owned 738 in August.

I found it interesting that TK now shows intentions of getting into 70 - 90 seater market. 90 seater might be acceptable, but 70 seaters are going to be hard to operate with oil prices keep increasing. On top of everything else a 120 seater and 70 seater occupy same amount of parking space. You can squeeze 3 70 seaters in a place of 2 120 seaters but without a regional terminal this will be a hard operation to pull off.

Almost a decade ago I proposed that there should be a regional terminal in place of the military one in IST/LTBA and get connected to the main terminal with some underground transportation. You think they would have finished it by now  Smile

Also, look at Atlas' CRJ900 flying.. it's almost begging for a partner. I think with their great relationship with Bombardier they should get more CRJ900s and Q400s and become a regional airline.

My $0.02s.  Smile



Earthbound misfit I
User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7575 times:

Shaheen Air have returned the single A310 leased from Saga, which was operating Islamabad-Leeds/Bradford service droped on 1 June, they had a purchase option on both aircraft which was to be practised in April, the second aircraft, also said to have been leased to Shaheen never joined the fleet.

User currently offlineCostastic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7547 times:

As you know, TK operates routes from IST and ESB to numerous German cities - including DUS, CGN, HAJ, HAM, TXL, SXF, NUE, MUC, STR, FRA. It's hardly surprising when Germany has around 2.6m Turks (including German citizens of Turkish origin).

I'd like to roughly establish how many Turks flying on TK from Germany to IST and ESB connect to other TK flights to other places in Turkey. So, roughly what percentage of TK's passengers from Germany to IST and ESB are connecting to other Turkish cities and how many are O&D?

If TK didn't offer connections, what routes, even if only twice- or thrice-weekly, would you think would be operated from Turkey to Germany, particularly to DUS, CGN, HAM, BER, FRA and STR? I'm talking about O&D traffic, principally VFR-based. I realise that TK operate some routes to Germany from Turkish cities other than IST and ESB, i.e. ADA-DUS, ADA-SXF and TZX-SXF, and has some codeshare flights with XQ, i.e. IZM-DUS, -BER, -FRA.

I'd appreciate your input.

Thanks.

[Edited 2008-06-03 11:16:48]

User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7542 times:

What happened to TK-ANA code share?

25 Beaucaire : The A340-300 are still stored at Chateauroux (France ) Reg'n Type MSN Operator Owners Origin In Out Became Remarks Selcal TT TC Status/Fate TC- A340-3
26 TK787 : The last of the TK 321s has arrived TC-JRL "Tarsus". This will put the fleet total to 105 planes. It is still hard to believe that that number will be
27 Beaucaire : I'd suspect at least 40 % continue to other places than Istanbul or Ankara,since most immigrant-workers's families are from Anatolian regions. Yes th
28 AlexEU : Are planes flying to Republic of Cyprus (Greek part) allowed to fly over Turkey? What about Cypriot registred planes? I will be flying to Larnaca (but
29 TK787 : Most TK 734s are leased till 2015 and flying for Anadolu Jet at the moment. During last lease extensions TK said they got some great deals. ( How swee
30 CYatUK : Cyprus registered planes (currently only CY and ECA) are not allowed to fly over Turkey however there no restrictions to planes registered in other c
31 AlexEU : I asked this, because I know that any aircraft flying to Israel is not allowed to fly over any Arabic country (except Egypt and Jordan). I know that
32 TK787 : Few years back flying TK IST-TLV we took a westerly course both ways flying west of the island of Cyprus, even though flying over Turkish Republic of
33 AlexEU : I know that KTHY and TK flights flying to Ercan, can not fly over RO Cyprus controled area. Perhaps because TRNC is recognized only by Turkey, so onl
34 TK787 : I guess not TK but Saga Airlines is doing something about this. Again this comes as a surprise but they got 2 738sWL (TC-SGF, TC-SGG) coming from ILF
35 Spetouss : All Turkish Airlines are allowed to fly over Republic of Cyprus.
36 CYatUK : Correct. Do you know if this applies to KTHY?
37 AlexEU : According to some reports I read, any aircraft flying to TRNC is not allowed to fly over Cyprus. Shame that Cypriot planes can't fly over Turkey. I a
38 CYatUK : If I am not mistaken CY used to fly to both Instanbul and Ankara pre-1974 and I am sure when a solution to the Cyprus problem is found, these routes
39 Bahadir : I guess some airlines in Turkey are tapping into some airplanes that came on to the market. Saga being one of the,.. Surprisingly, Sky Airlines of Ant
40 AlexEU : Perhaps because a lot of Turkish Cypriots took Cypriot passport. Can they fly from Ercan to Istanbul, since the border is open ?
41 CYatUK : Yes, but there is a risk of prosecution by the RO Cyprus since Ercan is not an EU recognised point of entry. Similar rules apply to tourists. If you
42 CYatUK : On tonight's news bulletings in Cyprus it has been reported that a lot of people called the police when a Turkish (unknown company) passenger plane fl
43 Post contains links TK787 : Anyone here heard about this firm? http://www.asuaviation.com/ Check out the AC availability list.
44 Cmoltay : Owned (partially) by Selahattin Tarhan (Tarhan Tower)... Founded in November 2007... What are they doing with all those aircraft, does availability m
45 Costastic : Anyone here know roughly how many Turks/those of Turkish origin live in the Milan area or the north Italy area? Thanks.
46 Post contains links Thereandback : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_diaspora This is a Turkish Aviation thread not a open thread for any questions related to Turkey or Turkish peop
47 Costastic : Oh don't be so pedantic. My next question was related to flights between Turkey and Milan, but I won't bother now.
48 TK787 : I really don't know much about the population of Turks in Northern Italy, but I have taken a IST-MXP on AZ last year in fall, and the J was empty on
49 Post contains links Cmoltay : Ankara Chamber of Commerce has appealed to the Turkish Competition Authority against AnadoluJet claiming THY is discriminating between her Istanbul an
50 TK787 : That is very interesting. AnadoluJet started on a wrong footing from the beginning. As usual, like the saying goes "cut first, measure later" policy
51 Costastic : Thanks TK. === From what I can tell Diyarbakir is no longer connected non-stop to Germany. But what routes did it previously have? I recall a Diyarbak
52 Post contains links TK787 : http://www.airporthaber.com/v3/read.php?newid=3083 (Turkish only) "Setur will run the Duty Free stores at SAW (Istanbul's #2 airport) for the next 20
53 Post contains links and images TK787 : Few questions: 1-The new 738s joining, do they have the same interior as the last batch? 2-How is the cargo 310s doing? All busy? 3-Any idea how is th
54 ThereAndBack : I think TC-JGR is the only plane with that tail and eventually and hopefully will be repained to match the rest of the TK tails. They all have the tu
55 Post contains links TK787 : -Why did they try that logo on the tail anyways? How come that logo is there on the "Logos" page at the TK's website. -Looks like Sunexpress is gettin
56 Alces : I think the white on red logo was an attempt by TK to see how it looked, and JGR is the only one with it. I am guessing they did that one while conte
57 TK787 : It all sounds good, but like I asked above, why do they still use the new logo on their website's opening page?
58 Alces : Oh that... The one with a grey background, a red base and the white wing, a greyish tint applied to upper left corner making it a three dimensional s
59 TK787 : That makes sense. Thanks. Still I would still like to see a single logo on tails, stationaries, web-pages and all, that is how brand identity is estab
60 TK787 : Could someone give a better assesment on this number from TK: "UÇAKLARIN GUNLUK KULLANIMLARI OCAK/MAYIS 2007 DÖNEMİNDE 10:21 SAATTEN 2008 YILININ A
61 Bahadir : TK787 it would be really hard to get 19 hours /day from a narrowbody aircraft. Even if you run daily red eye flights it is impossible to obtain 19 hrs
62 TK787 : Hi Bahadir, I just took that info from another thread; posted by "ZB330", according to the profile, a pilot: "In summer we operate our A320/A321 on a
63 Post contains links ThereAndBack : New TK commercials: http://www.thy.com/en-INT/corporate/..._room/movie_archive/index.aspx#tc2 The red carpet one for the Star Alliance and the thy.com
64 Alces : The red carpet one is probably one of the best commercials TK ever did. (even though it is not such a genuine/new idea) I wonder if it has an SA team
65 Post contains images 777way : Heres a nice advert from Asiana's website.
66 TK787 : Pegasus 738 TC-APM is registered under GOL airlines. What is the story here? Is it returned to GECAS?
67 Uzzzer : Hello everyone! There was an announcement on TK web site about launching Lviv (LWO) Ukraine this year. However, no further info available. The TK offi
68 Alces : Is anybody aware of any specific reason why TK can not fly into Australia? (Apart from lack of longhaul aircraft of course!) Is there a known dispute
69 TK787 : There are about 100K Turks in Australia, and other relevant destinations could be KUL or Jakarta. I really don't see a market here. On the other hand
70 Bahadir : Opening a market just based on number of turks is not a viable route to put millions of $$$s worth long haul aircraft in a market. TK learned this les
71 Alces : Well, MIA was not opened due to the number of Turks around there. (because there aren't many around that region.) It was opened mostly because the onl
72 TK787 : Sorry to change the direction a bit, but this is the first I see a TK 332 in ORD. We all were concerned on the 332s taking some penalties going Westbo
73 TKfan : Just did a calculation of the costs of flying BKK-SYD based on the figures TK provides. I know these numbers dont give the exact cost of this route b
74 TK787 : Thanks TKfan, I am not a math guy, but if I read this correctly; if TK can fill a 330 both ways BKK-SYD, and charge them an average $1000 RT, it will
75 TKfan : correct, in theory they would make a loss. my calculation was based on assumptions, with average figures. dont know the specific cost/ASK for a 340 o
76 777way : Ariana have returned the A321 to Best Air and instead leased a Saga A310.
77 David_itl : The extra MAN services have finally been advertised in the Manchester local press today. Seems to be a very short time to get people acquainted with t
78 Stylo777 : a lot of Turkish paradise birds around these days! TC-OGS / Atlasjet / B752 / wearing full SV livery TC-ETC / Atlasjet / CRJ9 / wearing "Bir Dilek Tut
79 TKfan : I havent noticed it yet, when did Iberia stopped flying BCN-IST?? Leaving the route to Turkish Airlines, TK will further increase its capacity to BCN,
80 HummingBird : What is the latest on 6Y-JMP ex JM A340? The other A340 is still in KIN...Will be sent for C-Checks...JM may keep the aircraft....
81 TK787 : Still no news from the JM 340, painted in TK colors but AWOL. On the other hand, can anyone else confirm that Atlas is returning its 2x 319s and TK is
82 Stylo777 : well, the two TK A319 were planed for KK before TK took them over. I dont know if they are in need of two additional ones as the A319 is exclusively
83 TK787 : TC-JGZ, 2nd 738 from the batch of 8 to be delivered this year, is on its way to IST. (first flight June 16th) According to my friend, a.net member "TK
84 Robcol99 : THY might go either by taking the A319s to the mainline, and let all 734s go to AnadoluJet, or use 1-2 A319s for Anadolujet flights out of Istanbul.
85 Bahadir : TK787, I haven't been home for a week.. Last time i left KBFI was on a UPS flight and haven't seen a TK 738. I guess it was still in Renton with no co
86 TK787 : Thanks Bahadir, I guess we wait and see if it has winglets. Planspotters.net already listed it as having winglets. By the way, I just got a confirmati
87 HummingBird : Rumour has it, the aircraft will re-enter JM's fleet....A new board will be named next Tuesday...With their new business plan we will know the fate o
88 TK787 : That will be even stranger. 6Y-JMP is sitting at LFLX for six months, now have to be repainted to JM colors, is just too crazy.
89 TKfan : Really quite strange. I wonder whats the reason of this 340-issue. I start to think TK do not need them anymore. While other Airlines cut back their f
90 Bahadir : It is strange indeed. I talked about TK 's 777 plans vs. how they should have received those two additional airframes. Yes, the new routes are not th
91 Wing : The 737-400s are older in the fleet compared to the brand new -800's and and the A320 family but they have no lack of flight safety and maintenance.T
92 Stylo777 : so does this mean that for instants Skyairlines has to equip their -400s with this GPS system to remain in Europe airspace? And what about -300/-500
93 Wing : Only if they want to use the PRNAV routes.Eventually PRNAV routes will help the airlines to save fuel.
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