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User currently offlineSoxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 870 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 7 months 2 hours ago) and read 3468 times:

Hi everyone,

I have a few questions about Northwest Airlines that I hope can be answered.

1) Are domestic Y and F seats the same across the mainline fleet in terms of width, style, no headrests, etc. (DC9-30/40/50, 757-200/300, A319/320)? For example, according to SeatGuru UA and AA have the Y seat width an inch wider on their Airbus aircraft than on Boeing, but I'm not sure if this is the case with NW.

2) Why are there two different domestic seating configurations on the 757-200 aircraft (designated as 757-200R [older] and 757-200 [newer[); in other words, was the mid-cabin lavatory no longer offered on the newer 757s, or did NW just elect to put the lavatories in the rear?

3) SeatGuru and the NW website indicate that there is no IFE on any domestic flight except Hawaii (on a recent 752 flight I could see where the monitors had been removed). On the Hawaii flights on 753s, are all audio channels offered, or just the movie soundtrack? And could movies potentially be played on other 753 domestic flights because they are equipped, or do NW policies prohibit this?

4) If the Delta merger goes through, could IFE potentially return to NW domestic flights? I know that it would be hard at least on the 757-200s to reinstall the television monitors, so perhaps they would be good candidates for the personal IFE.

Thanks, everyone!

Soxfan  Smile


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User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 2 hours ago) and read 3421 times:



Quoting Soxfan (Thread starter):
SeatGuru and the NW website indicate that there is no IFE on any domestic flight except Hawaii (on a recent 752 flight I could see where the monitors had been removed). On the Hawaii flights on 753s, are all audio channels offered, or just the movie soundtrack? And could movies potentially be played on other 753 domestic flights because they are equipped, or do NW policies prohibit this?

I think NW polices prohibit it.

Quoting Soxfan (Thread starter):
Why are there two different domestic seating configurations on the 757-200 aircraft (designated as 757-200R [older] and 757-200 [newer[); in other words, was the mid-cabin lavatory no longer offered on the newer 757s, or did NW just elect to put the lavatories in the rear?

I think it has to do with the placement of the exit rows. On the older(-5500) series 757s, there are two exit doors behind the mid cabin lavs(makes a nice mini-cabin). On the newer -5600 series ones, there are two exit row windows and no exit doors, thus no mini cabin.

Quoting Soxfan (Thread starter):
Are domestic Y and F seats the same across the mainline fleet in terms of width, style, no headrests, etc. (DC9-30/40/50, 757-200/300, A319/320)? For example, according to SeatGuru UA and AA have the Y seat width an inch wider on their Airbus aircraft than on Boeing, but I'm not sure if this is the case with NW.

The wider seat depends upon airline. NW has the narrower seats for the wider aisle. Airbus has the option of a wider aisle or a wider seat.


User currently offlineCAP2008 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 2 hours ago) and read 3409 times:

Quoting Soxfan (Thread starter):
2) Why are there two different domestic seating configurations on the 757-200 aircraft (designated as 757-200R [older] and 757-200 [newer[); in other words, was the mid-cabin lavatory no longer offered on the newer 757s, or did NW just elect to put the lavatories in the rear?

The older 757's are the 5500 series, with eight doors. The newer 757's are the 5600 sieries, with the overwing exits. So, the overwing exits were the end of the mid-cabin lav.

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User currently offlineCAP2008 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 2 hours ago) and read 3386 times:



Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 1):
I think it has to do with the placement of the exit rows. On the older(-5500) series 757s, there are two exit doors behind the mid cabin lavs(makes a nice mini-cabin). On the newer -5600 series ones, there are two exit row windows and no exit doors, thus no mini cabin.

You beat me to it, by less than a minute!!!  Smile



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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7438 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 1 hour ago) and read 3209 times:
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Quoting Soxfan (Thread starter):
On the Hawaii flights on 753s, are all audio channels offered, or just the movie soundtrack?

3 audio entertainment channels and 2 channels tuned to the video programme

Quoting Soxfan (Thread starter):
And could movies potentially be played on other 753 domestic flights because they are equipped, or do NW policies prohibit this?

No, we only show it on the Hawaii flights becuase we pay only a nominal fee for royalties for the right to show on a video tape. We pay a low price for only a few tapes, so it reduces the stock to a minimal cost. They board the tapes in SEA, LAX, SFO, and PDX when heading to Hawaii and they remove them promptly when the arrive back on the mainland. If they happen to leave the videos on, we usually use them for the safety briefing only. We are not to show any films domestically. Why do we have domestic IFE? The reason is simple, NW doesn't want to pay for a huge IFE system when most of the domestic flights are less than 4 hours. DTW-LAX/SEA/SFO/SAN are the longest, but they are only 2 or 3 flights each way daily. MSP-west coast is less than 3. According to NW, it isn't worth it.

Quoting Soxfan (Thread starter):
If the Delta merger goes through, could IFE potentially return to NW domestic flights? I know that it would be hard at least on the 757-200s to reinstall the television monitors, so perhaps they would be good candidates for the personal IFE.

Nobody knows. The TV monitors were deactivated in Oct of 2001 and they began completely removing them in 2004. Whether or not Delta wants to invest that into our fleet is another question. I assume they would to standardise things. Perhaps when we take on the Delta name.

Quoting Soxfan (Thread starter):
2) Why are there two different domestic seating configurations on the 757-200 aircraft (designated as 757-200R [older] and 757-200 [newer[); in other words, was the mid-cabin lavatory no longer offered on the newer 757s, or did NW just elect to put the lavatories in the rear?

The reason we have 2 configurations were, becuase back in 1981 when NW ordered them, only one configuration was available at the time. The 10 exit(overwing config wasn't introduced or certified until 1985(when we recieved our first 757's). Delta was the first carrier to order the 10-exit version. We ordered the 10-exit configered 757 in 1992 for delivery begining in 1994. We ordered the 5600 series because we were able to add 4 extra seats(originally seated 194 while the 5500 series seated 190. the seating decreased to 184, and 180 respectively in 2001. We ended up adding 2 more seats to the 5500 757 when we disposed of the hard partition in F and Y class on the starboard side of the cabin in 2004.



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User currently offlineSoxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 870 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months ago) and read 2999 times:

Thank you to all for your very thorough responses! With IFE, it makes sense about not picking up the big costs given that NW's hubs are basically in the middle (well, northern-middle) of the country.  Smile

I do have one other question: My NW flight was on an old configuration 757-200 with a registration ending with US. I noticed that some of the other aircraft have that too. Is there a reason for this, and was a switch made at a certain point to the NW registration ending?

Soxfan  Smile



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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3599 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2874 times:



Quoting Soxfan (Reply 5):
I do have one other question: My NW flight was on an old configuration 757-200 with a registration ending with US. I noticed that some of the other aircraft have that too. Is there a reason for this, and was a switch made at a certain point to the NW registration ending?

Could it be a Leased aircraft versus an Owned aircraft?
US being registered in the US for a leasing company
NW being registered in the US for Northwest Airlines

If wrong, please correct me.

IFE on NW planes....
I am going to look into my crystal ball and say...

A320s could get something to line them up with the current Delta mainline product but as NW doesn't operate many domestic flights over 3 hours what is the use?

757s could get something only on their international 757s. That would be the ones used the Europe. Maybe they line these up with a Delta product as well. 757s in Asia will not get them as they are barely in the air long enough to even listen to a few songs. Longest flight I think is 3 hours. For the Hawaii run maybe they could put in LCD flip downs which are light and can be put in the ceiling without causing too many problems for the baggage area. Again it would all have to be lined up with the Delta product.

747s in Y. Better get something. I would say that 75% of the time I fly on Trans-pac 747s the equipment is not working right, the movies are wrong or someone with HUGE hair has decided to take the seat right infront of the screen.

When the 787s enter the fleet NW will have three International C seats and three different international Y seats. That would be the 747/A330 C, 757 C the 787 C, the 744 Y, A330 Y and the 787 Y seat.

With the Delta merger you will have yet another C and Y product line. They will have to merge these as well as the branding image that comes with those product lines.

Personally I am praying that the 744s get a make-over at least with an upgrade kit and new seats. Or even better the 748i!!!!



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2809 times:



Quoting Centrair (Reply 6):
IFE on NW planes....

Back in the late '90's when I was a student in the SF bay area and I was interviewing for medical schools (most of which wear east of the Mississippi) I flew NW to most of my interviews. My mom had her FF miles with them.

That was back when NW did have in-flight movies for transcon flights. And what was NW's eastbound movie for that month?

Inspector Gadget.

I was subjected to that movie 9 times in a two month period. 9 times! Oh, I could have just "not watched" but when you're in a 757 or DC-10 for 4.5 straight hours over a cloudy country, you are going to be drawn to the only moving thing, even if your headphones aren't on.

So I don't get what the big deal is about IFE. The only movie I have ever watched and enjoyed on a plane was The Thomas Crown Affair on a TW flight STL-LAX in 2000.


User currently offlineJoseKMLB From United States of America, joined May 2008, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2787 times:

I have one question about NWA. Will DL/NWA keep the 747s when the merger is final? Or do you think they will be the first to go?

User currently offlineFloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2018 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2768 times:



Quoting JoseKMLB (Reply 8):
Will DL/NWA keep the 747s when the merger is final? Or do you think they will be the first to go?

Well, they definitely won't be the first to go. There are a lot older planes that guzzle a lot more fuel (i.e. the DC-9s) that need to go first. Honestly, I think DL will keep the 744s around for the foreseeable future.



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User currently offlineJoseKMLB From United States of America, joined May 2008, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2707 times:



Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 9):
Well, they definitely won't be the first to go. There are a lot older planes that guzzle a lot more fuel (i.e. the DC-9s) that need to go first. Honestly, I think DL will keep the 744s around for the foreseeable future.

Very true I did not even think about the DC-9s yeah they will be the first out for sure and I do hope they keep the 744s it would be nice to see Delta with 74s agian.


User currently offlineCAP2008 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2651 times:



Quoting JoseKMLB (Reply 8):
I have one question about NWA. Will DL/NWA keep the 747s when the merger is final? Or do you think they will be the first to go?

The 47's can't go, soon at least. They are a huge part of the Asia Network. Unless DL ordered about 20 77W's tomorrow, I see the 744's sticking around for maybe another 10 years, perhaps more with the delay of the 787.



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User currently offlineSoxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 870 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2421 times:

For the 757s and A319s/A320s that were delivered after NW decided to remove their IFE from domestic flights, did the planes simply come without television monitors, or did NW have to remove them upon receipt as well?

Also, were the Airbus monitors in the aisle, or under the overhead bins as is with most Airbii today? What about the 757-300 monitors?



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User currently offlineSYfan100 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 590 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2358 times:



Quoting CAP2008 (Reply 11):



Quoting CAP2008 (Reply 11):
The 47's can't go, soon at least. They are a huge part of the Asia Network. Unless DL ordered about 20 77W's tomorrow, I see the 744's sticking around for maybe another 10 years, perhaps more with the delay of the 787.

I couldn't agree with you more on that one.
It looks more and more that the DTW to China route will be on the Boeing 747-400 then the Boeing 787-800 because of the delays.
Keep in mind on some of the older Boeing 757-200s have started to make their way to the desert grave yard chop shop. Also some are starting to show their real age on the inside according to some A netters on here.
Does Delta keep the older Boeing 757-200s and give them a extreme makeover on the inside? Or do they just send them to the graveyard?
There is no clear replacement for the Boeing 757 right now so on one hand you want to keep them around. But then on the other hand if they are reaching that point, then you send them to to the graveyard.


User currently offlineFloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2018 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2348 times:



Quoting SYfan100 (Reply 13):
Does Delta keep the older Boeing 757-200s and give them a extreme makeover on the inside? Or do they just send them to the graveyard?

I would hope Delta would give them the once over and hang on to them. Delta's 757 interior is superb, and it would make those old NW 757s look like new again! Of course that's just me. I love the 757, so I would love to see as many as possible stick around for as long as possible.



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User currently offlineSoxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 870 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2285 times:

You know a plane is old (and unrefurbished) when the armrests still have ashtrays! Or are they little spaces to hold garbage...


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26029 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2243 times:



Quoting Centrair (Reply 6):
Quoting Soxfan (Reply 5):
I do have one other question: My NW flight was on an old configuration 757-200 with a registration ending with US. I noticed that some of the other aircraft have that too. Is there a reason for this, and was a switch made at a certain point to the NW registration ending?

Could it be a Leased aircraft versus an Owned aircraft?
US being registered in the US for a leasing company
NW being registered in the US for Northwest Airlines

If wrong, please correct me.

No that's not correct. Registrations ending with US have a long tradition at NW. All of NW's factory-delivered L188 Electras, DC-8s, 707s, 720Bs, 727s and 747s had "US" registrations.


User currently offlineSoxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 870 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2152 times:



Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 4):
The reason we have 2 configurations were, becuase back in 1981 when NW ordered them, only one configuration was available at the time. The 10 exit(overwing config wasn't introduced or certified until 1985(when we recieved our first 757's). Delta was the first carrier to order the 10-exit version. We ordered the 10-exit configered 757 in 1992 for delivery begining in 1994. We ordered the 5600 series because we were able to add 4 extra seats(originally seated 194 while the 5500 series seated 190. the seating decreased to 184, and 180 respectively in 2001. We ended up adding 2 more seats to the 5500 757 when we disposed of the hard partition in F and Y class on the starboard side of the cabin in 2004.

Gotcha, thanks! Are there any pictures of the passenger cabins of NW 757-200R/200/300 (or A320?) I did a search and the only picture I could find on the airliners.net/info database was of an A319 (for domestic aircraft, I know there are other pictures of 747, A330, DC10, etc.)



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7566 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2122 times:

One thing different that I have noticed is that the DC-9's in FC have footrests, which don't do much for taller people.


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User currently offlineSoxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 870 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2099 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 18):
One thing different that I have noticed is that the DC-9's in FC have footrests, which don't do much for taller people.

The problem is that, according to SeatGuru and the NW website, the FC seat pitch is only 34" on the DC9-30 and 9-50 and 35" on the DC9-40 (and A319)! To Northwest's credit, the pitch is a bit more respectable/standard on its other domestic planes (36" on the A320, the E175, and the CRJ900, and 37" on the domestic 757s).



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User currently offlineJoseKMLB From United States of America, joined May 2008, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2055 times:

Well the only Dl a/c I work on are MD-88s and we got one the other night fresh from the hanger and the outside was so clean and shinny, the inside looked like they got new seats and even the aft stairs looked new so I hope they will do that with the 757s because they are a great plane to fly on and work on as well.

User currently offlineOrlando666 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2016 times:

NW really need to update insides of their 744s. especially when competing against asian carriers new products on 77W's its a very dire experience in Y.

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7772 posts, RR: 27
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1954 times:



Quoting Orlando666 (Reply 21):
NW really need to update insides of their 744s. especially when competing against asian carriers new products on 77W's its a very dire experience in Y.

NW isn't going to do anything pre-merger. DL has said they will refurb interiors as they integrate into the DL fleet. NW had a proposal last year to refurb Y on the 744's and the 757 (5500 series) interiors, but those plans were shelved as fuel costs began to rise and the merger noise heated up.

NW in the past hasn't been trying to compete with the Asian carriers. That is not their philosphy for Asian. In WBC yes, but Y gets a lot of consolidator tickets.

Quoting Soxfan (Reply 19):
The problem is that, according to SeatGuru and the NW website, the FC seat pitch is only 34" on the DC9-30 and 9-50 and 35" on the DC9-40 (and A319)! To Northwest's credit, the pitch is a bit more respectable/standard on its other domestic planes (36" on the A320, the E175, and the CRJ900, and 37" on the domestic 757s).

The DC-9 is far superior to a CRJ any day. Most of the stage lengths on the DC-9 are less than 90 minutes. Also, the fact that they have 16 F seats on a 100 seat a/c means more opportunities for Elite upgrades.

Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 14):
I would hope Delta would give them the once over and hang on to them. Delta's 757 interior is superb, and it would make those old NW 757s look like new again! Of course that's just me. I love the 757, so I would love to see as many as possible stick around for as long as possible.

When they integrate the fleets they will refurb where it makes sense. The 75's will be sticking around as NW / DL will have the world's largest fleet.

Quoting SYfan100 (Reply 13):
It looks more and more that the DTW to China route will be on the Boeing 747-400 then the Boeing 787-800 because of the delays.

NW has stated that that DTW-PEK will lauch with the 744 in March 2009. The 787 won't be ready until at least 3rd/4th Quarter 2009.

Quoting SYfan100 (Reply 13):
Keep in mind on some of the older Boeing 757-200s have started to make their way to the desert grave yard chop shop. Also some are starting to show their real age on the inside according to some A netters on here.
Does Delta keep the older Boeing 757-200s and give them a extreme makeover on the inside? Or do they just send them to the graveyard?
There is no clear replacement for the Boeing 757 right now so on one hand you want to keep them around. But then on the other hand if they are reaching that point, then you send them to to the graveyard.

The NW 757's that have been parted out, were not because of NW's decision. Those aircraft were lease-rejected during the bankruptcy filing. The leasing company was the one who made the decision that the aircraft was worth more in parts and/or they had already achieved a suitable return on their investment with the aircraft, thus parting it out made financial sense.

Yes, the older 757's (5500 series), from the mid-80's have cabins that appear rather worn, but they have plenty of life left in them. NW had been planning to update interiors last year, but as I mentioned the plans were dropped to due capital improvement cuts and the merger discussions.

Quoting Soxfan (Reply 12):
For the 757s and A319s/A320s that were delivered after NW decided to remove their IFE from domestic flights, did the planes simply come without television monitors, or did NW have to remove them upon receipt as well?

They were delivered without IFE. Only the older A320's ever had IFE that was removed. The newer A320's, and all of the A319's were delivered without.

Quoting Soxfan (Reply 12):
Also, were the Airbus monitors in the aisle, or under the overhead bins as is with most Airbii today? What about the 757-300 monitors?

The A320's, like the 757-200's that did have IFE, had aisle-mounted monitors (good for nailing your head on).

757-300's have drop-down LCD screens from under the bins.

Quoting CAP2008 (Reply 11):
The 47's can't go, soon at least. They are a huge part of the Asia Network. Unless DL ordered about 20 77W's tomorrow, I see the 744's sticking around for maybe another 10 years, perhaps more with the delay of the 787

DL has said they need the 744's. They aren't going anywhere for while

Quoting JoseKMLB (Reply 10):
Very true I did not even think about the DC-9s yeah they will be the first out for sure and I do hope they keep the 744s it would be nice to see Delta with 74s agian.

The first out the door is going to be a whole boat-load of 37-50 seat RJ's on the regional side of the house.


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