RicardoFG From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 677 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4420 times:
I don't have any links, however there are strong rumours going around YYZ that LAN will begin YYZ service in October. A colleague apparently has been interviewed for the station manager position here...does anyone know anything???
Sebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1658 posts, RR: 15 Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4199 times:
Quoting Chinook747 (Reply 3):
Air Canada serves this route out of YYZ and it does very well. It will be nice to see some more competition out of YYZ if this turns out to be true
People make assumptions like this left and right, but what evidence do you have? Loads and load factors do not equal profitability. The only thing that constitutes "doing very well" is route profitability large enough to cover fully allocated costs - not just block hour costs. With oil the way they are and few airlines profitable on a system wide basis, it begs the question of what routes are "doing very well". I think Air Canada does well on a few international routes, and could do well on Canada-Chile over time, but having just gone to daily year-round service, it seems unlikely that it is doing "very well" already, particularly with $130 oil.
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15714 posts, RR: 48 Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks ago) and read 4173 times:
Quoting Sebring (Reply 4): I think Air Canada does well on a few international routes, and could do well on Canada-Chile over time, but having just gone to daily year-round service, it seems unlikely that it is doing "very well" already, particularly with $130 oil.
Plus it's tagged with EZE, and tags are usually unprofitable.
Pnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2045 posts, RR: 12 Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks ago) and read 4157 times:
This rumour has been going around for a while now. Hopefully this time it is true. It is possible it is either cargo and/or the flight is being driven by cargo loads. AC wouldn't be adding flights with the delays in getting the 787 if there wasn't a good market. North/South trade and not wanted to transit the US are two key factors to further growth of these markets.
Gmale72 From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 12 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3979 times:
A collegue of mine was in SCL recently and also heard the same thing from a LAN staff member, that YYZ was to be their next Int'l destination in North America ?
MD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3091 posts, RR: 60 Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3969 times:
Quoting Jamincan (Reply 8): AC is either splitting EZE and SCL or has already done so. I remember reading the news, but I can't remember when it was to happen.
The rumor has it, the rumor is correct - LAN is opening a new north american destination. The possibilities were IAD or YYZ - and YYZ was picked in favor of the US capital, as the airline considered the US to be well served by own and code-shared flights.
LAN is in the process of studying the route and different possibilities of serving YYZ.
RJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1943 posts, RR: 13 Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3897 times:
As MD11junkie said the rumours are correct: LAN will open Toronto as new destination in North America in the next months (no date at this moment) with Boeing 767-300ER.
The last week the Canadian Authorities of Aviation (CARAC i think) finished the audit to approve the operations of LAN Airlines in Canada.
LAN is studying "the best way" to serve Toronto considering three options:
Option 1: SCL - YYZ
Option 2: SCL-LIM-YYZ
Option3: SCL-JFK-YYZ
The stronger options are via Lima or New York JFK. The SCL-LIM-YYZ is interesting because LAN can carrier more payload in both legs. JFK could be a good option specially for business travellers. If LAN decide to open Toronto via JFK, the flight will be an extension of the non stop flight from SCL (LA532/533).
FLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4930 posts, RR: 53 Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3764 times:
Dont shoot the messenger. The original rumour, which was deemed as heresay by Rj_delta, was that LAN would serve SCL on a YUL-YYZ-SCL pattern starting in the fall.
Im not sure if the YUL part is dead at this part, and its a YYZ stand-alone. However, the market sizes to SCL are almost equivalent from both YUL/YYZ, so how would LAN get that incremental traffic.
AC is able to tap into it via Rapidair connections, LAN would not, which makes the tag option seem a little more plausible
Juventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3747 times:
Thanx for the info. I also think a stop in Lima would be a better option than New York, but considering all the cargo from Chile this flight will haul, a non-stop would still be profitable.
Well then I guess I'd like to wish LAN the best of luck in Canada....
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8261 posts, RR: 5 Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3748 times:
Quoting Jamincan (Reply 8): AC is either splitting EZE and SCL or has already done so
Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 13): The Toronto route will be operated by LAN Chile at this moment. If LAN consider operate via LIM maybe it will be codeshared with LAN Peru.
Any word on when the new service to YYZ will start? I keep on hearing that it will probably start in October.
Sebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1658 posts, RR: 15 Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3734 times:
Well if it's not a YYZ-SCL nonstop, I think AC will be thrilled since a lot of the market is large corporate customers in the mining and smelting industries - base metals and gold - based here in Toronto and very much AC customers to begin with. A stop in JFK won't hurt LAN between NYC and SCL at all, might even improve the overall economics, but it's not going to be on the same plane, pardon the pun, as a nonstop. I realize some oneworld customers might prefer another OW options, but there are already good ones via the States. Most Canada-originating passengers don't have the same transit issues as those from other countries.
IAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3715 times:
If this news is true, I wish LA well. Not only are fuel prices high and margins thin, LA will face a strong competitor that has operated this route for a long time. If LA decides that its flights to YYZ will stop en route, Air Canada's nonstop flights may prove more attractive to many passengers, especially if there is no significant price discrepancy.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8261 posts, RR: 5 Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3693 times:
Quoting IAD380 (Reply 19): LA will face a strong competitor that has operated this route for a long time.
I don't think that will matter since LAN is going after premium business travellers in SCL (and also cargo traffic), who have been demanding this service for a while now.
Also, LAN will be starting SCL-CDG in the Fall (a route that AF has been flying for years).
RJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1943 posts, RR: 13 Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3682 times:
Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 14): Dont shoot the messenger. The original rumour, which was deemed as heresay by Rj_delta, was that LAN would serve SCL on a YUL-YYZ-SCL pattern starting in the fall
I always mentioned that LAN is considering to open a new destination in North America and when commented the information (March 2008) LAN din't consider to open a possible passenger route in Canada. Only cargo operations were confirmed to YUL and YYZ from MIA as its happened recently and will continue during the rest of the year.
And today the route to YYZ is not official yet.
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 18): Sorry for the double post, but when does SCL-JFK increse to 5x weekly?
RJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1943 posts, RR: 13 Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3650 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 20): Also, LAN will be starting SCL-CDG in the Fall (a route that AF has been flying for years).
I have no information about that, specially when during the Fall 2008 LAN will have only 4 A340 in service, because the A340 fleet will go for maintenance and retrofit.
MD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3091 posts, RR: 60 Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3641 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 20): I don't think that will matter since LAN is going after premium business travellers in SCL (and also cargo traffic), who have been demanding this service for a while now.
If they go through JFK, they will target business traffic - as it is pretty well connected.
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 20): Also, LAN will be starting SCL-CDG in the Fall (a route that AF has been flying for years).
News to me, I haven't seen anything around that would even hint that - I do think, however, that CDG is well fed through MAD with IB.
There is no such thing as Boeing vs Airbus as the queen of the skies has three engines, winglets and the sweetest nose!
25 SCL767: Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 23): I have no information about that, specially when during the Fall 2008 LAN will have only 4 A340 in service, because the A
26 MD11junkie: What do you mean by schedule? What's the flight number?
27 Heathrow: I HIGHLY doubt this. I don't think even AC could have supported a 343 one these routes. I do not think it's needed. AA partners with LA through their
28 SCL767: I just checked with my source at SCL and was informed that this service was planned, but due to the returning of one of the A340's it was scrapped. H
29 MD11junkie: Returning? No one ever said returning - it was said it's going out for maintenance. LAN will temporarily serve with 4 A340s. I still find odd that LA
30 SCL767: That's probably what he meant; also LAN has LHR on the radar. Question: where is the aircraft's maintenance conducted? YUL?
31 MD11junkie: No, SCL - LAN conduct's its own maintenance, except for structural repairs. The only A340 to have ever been serviced for LAN in YUL was C-FYLC, befor
32 SCL767: That's what I meant. I just uploaded the new schedule. In the old schedule it was showing LA SCL-CDG 3x starting July, 2008 (with no equipment or fli
33 RJ_Delta: The maintenance conducted in YUL was the C-FYLC (current CC-CQG) before its deliver to LAN in July 2007. LAN conduct's is own maintenance here in SCL
35 Viscount724: In my opinion, serving JFK as a tag-on from JFK would ensure unprofitability.The cost of operating a widebody on the short JFK-YYZ-JFK sectors, with
36 SCL767: LAN can codeshare on American Eagle's JFK flights to YYZ and YUL, (I believe they codeshare to YUL already through JFK). LA also codeshare's with AA's
37 MD11junkie: That's exactly why SCL-LIM-YYZ is the strongest option. The plane can depart FULL in both cargo and passengers from both ends of the route, which wou
38 SCL767: My point exactly. Did LAN receive 2 767's recently?
39 MD11junkie: 1. CC-CXD, I believe there are two more on the line to be received this year (CC-CXE and -CXF). http://envivodesdescl.blogspot.com/2...es-incrementa-
40 SCL767: Good news for LAN! BTW how's LAN's EZE-MIA flight performing?
41 IAD380: Whenever LA expands its European network, LHR seems to make more sense than CDG. First, BA and LA are partners in the One World alliance. Second, no
42 Yellowtail: How bout a nice redeye 4Xweek to IAH.....Cargo yields should be quite healthy.
43 SJOtoLIR: Buenos Aires and Santiago are currently coupled by means of AC YYZ-SCL-EZE and vice versa. However, AC will split such pattern resulting AC YYZ-SCL a
44 SCL767: Not really since LAN and IB fly SCL-MAD 2x daily, and MAD is also a Oneworld hub offering connections to other destinations.
45 FLYACYYZ: With an anticipated grounding of the 767-200 fleet (9 aircraft), a major route realignment will invariably take place throughout the airline. For that
46 SCL767: Thanks for the info. Keep us up to date on AC's SCL/EZE route changes.
47 AirCanada014: I saw in the travel section of Toronto Sun and LAN advertise the price for roundtrip to SCL from YYZ via LIM.. so it looks like SCL-LIM-YYZ..
48 SCL767: Has this supposed SCL-LIM-YYZ route been announced yet?
49 FLYYUL: I dont believe you. LAN cant offer pricing for a service that does not yet exists, as I believe this is illegal business practice.
50 Viscount724: Do the ads a new direct service? I expect LA is only advertising their current codeshare services with oneworld alliance partner AA from YYZ via JFK
52 SJOtoLIR: The point that I made early stated that AC will cease YYZ-SCL-EZE on December 01st. Let me elaborate a bit more: AC 92....YYZ 23:55.....SCL 12:30+1..
53 SCL767: I was referring to the fact that AC may retire 9 762's due to fuel costs; thus stretching the 767-300 fleet to the max! Therefore, AC may not be able
54 9252fly: The splitting of the EZE and SCL flight is likely to be for only the southern hemisphere summer and will revert to a tag-on flight after the peak sea
55 Eastern023: What ever happened to IAD as a possible destination for LAN? I think IAD-LIM-SCL on a 763 4 or 5 days a week would do great. A lot of Peruvians here i
56 MD11junkie: That doesn't mean is profitable or a fact to make a flight work.
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