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LAN Chile To Start YYZ In October?  
User currently offlineRicardoFG From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 677 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5861 times:

I don't have any links, however there are strong rumours going around YYZ that LAN will begin YYZ service in October. A colleague apparently has been interviewed for the station manager position here...does anyone know anything???

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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8340 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5793 times:
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Given Lan's presence in the USA, it would make sense to serve Canada via Toronto. Maybe Lan Peru will serve YYZ from Santiago via Lima.

User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5717 times:

Supposely the market between Chile and the US is thin, could it be LAN Cargo landing at Toronto.

well whichever it is, good luck to LAN


User currently offlineChinook747 From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5674 times:



Quoting Juventus (Reply 2):
Supposely the market between Chile and the US is thin, could it be LAN Cargo landing at Toronto.

well whichever it is, good luck to LAN

Air Canada serves this route out of YYZ and it does very well. It will be nice to see some more competition out of YYZ if this turns out to be true


User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5640 times:



Quoting Chinook747 (Reply 3):

Air Canada serves this route out of YYZ and it does very well. It will be nice to see some more competition out of YYZ if this turns out to be true

People make assumptions like this left and right, but what evidence do you have? Loads and load factors do not equal profitability. The only thing that constitutes "doing very well" is route profitability large enough to cover fully allocated costs - not just block hour costs. With oil the way they are and few airlines profitable on a system wide basis, it begs the question of what routes are "doing very well". I think Air Canada does well on a few international routes, and could do well on Canada-Chile over time, but having just gone to daily year-round service, it seems unlikely that it is doing "very well" already, particularly with $130 oil.


User currently offlineIrobertson From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 601 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5641 times:

Any guesses on metal that would fly the route? 767 like AC or (hopefully) a change of scenery and the 343?

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17443 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5614 times:



Quoting Sebring (Reply 4):
I think Air Canada does well on a few international routes, and could do well on Canada-Chile over time, but having just gone to daily year-round service, it seems unlikely that it is doing "very well" already, particularly with $130 oil.

Plus it's tagged with EZE, and tags are usually unprofitable.



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User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2235 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5598 times:

This rumour has been going around for a while now. Hopefully this time it is true. It is possible it is either cargo and/or the flight is being driven by cargo loads. AC wouldn't be adding flights with the delays in getting the 787 if there wasn't a good market. North/South trade and not wanted to transit the US are two key factors to further growth of these markets.

User currently offlineJamincan From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5429 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 6):
Plus it's tagged with EZE, and tags are usually unprofitable.

AC is either splitting EZE and SCL or has already done so. I remember reading the news, but I can't remember when it was to happen.


User currently offlineGmale72 From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5420 times:

A collegue of mine was in SCL recently and also heard the same thing from a LAN staff member, that YYZ was to be their next Int'l destination in North America ?

More opportunities to South America, the better !


User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5410 times:

Quoting Jamincan (Reply 8):
AC is either splitting EZE and SCL or has already done so. I remember reading the news, but I can't remember when it was to happen.

Will do it effective 1APR09.
http://elaereo.blogspot.com/2008/03/...a-separa-eze-de-scl-disminuye.html

The rumor has it, the rumor is correct - LAN is opening a new north american destination. The possibilities were IAD or YYZ - and YYZ was picked in favor of the US capital, as the airline considered the US to be well served by own and code-shared flights.

LAN is in the process of studying the route and different possibilities of serving YYZ.

Option 1: SCL-YYZ (non-stop)
Option 2: SCL-LIM-YYZ
Option 3: SCL-JFK-YYZ

I'm sure RJ_Delta has more info on this.

Cheers!
Gaston - The MD11junkie

[Edited 2008-06-02 10:40:25]

[Edited 2008-06-02 10:42:08]


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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4394 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5354 times:

Very nice! I would say Option 2 will be picked.


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User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5338 times:

As MD11junkie said the rumours are correct: LAN will open Toronto as new destination in North America in the next months (no date at this moment) with Boeing 767-300ER.

The last week the Canadian Authorities of Aviation (CARAC i think) finished the audit to approve the operations of LAN Airlines in Canada.

LAN is studying "the best way" to serve Toronto considering three options:

Option 1: SCL - YYZ

Option 2: SCL-LIM-YYZ

Option3: SCL-JFK-YYZ

The stronger options are via Lima or New York JFK. The SCL-LIM-YYZ is interesting because LAN can carrier more payload in both legs. JFK could be a good option specially for business travellers. If LAN decide to open Toronto via JFK, the flight will be an extension of the non stop flight from SCL (LA532/533).

[Edited 2008-06-02 11:12:59]

[Edited 2008-06-02 11:19:51]

User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5318 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 1):
Maybe Lan Peru will serve YYZ from Santiago via Lima.

The Toronto route will be operated by LAN Chile at this moment. If LAN consider operate via LIM maybe it will be codeshared with LAN Peru.

Quoting Juventus (Reply 2):
Supposely the market between Chile and the US is thin, could it be LAN Cargo landing at Toronto.

LAN Cargo has operated many flights between MIA and YYZ during the last weeks (charters).

Saludos,


User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4976 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5205 times:

Dont shoot the messenger. The original rumour, which was deemed as heresay by Rj_delta, was that LAN would serve SCL on a YUL-YYZ-SCL pattern starting in the fall.

Im not sure if the YUL part is dead at this part, and its a YYZ stand-alone. However, the market sizes to SCL are almost equivalent from both YUL/YYZ, so how would LAN get that incremental traffic.

AC is able to tap into it via Rapidair connections, LAN would not, which makes the tag option seem a little more plausible


User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5188 times:



Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 12):

Thanx for the info. I also think a stop in Lima would be a better option than New York, but considering all the cargo from Chile this flight will haul, a non-stop would still be profitable.

Well then I guess I'd like to wish LAN the best of luck in Canada....


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8803 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5189 times:
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Quoting Jamincan (Reply 8):
AC is either splitting EZE and SCL or has already done so

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Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 13):
The Toronto route will be operated by LAN Chile at this moment. If LAN consider operate via LIM maybe it will be codeshared with LAN Peru.

Any word on when the new service to YYZ will start? I keep on hearing that it will probably start in October.


User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5175 times:

Well if it's not a YYZ-SCL nonstop, I think AC will be thrilled since a lot of the market is large corporate customers in the mining and smelting industries - base metals and gold - based here in Toronto and very much AC customers to begin with. A stop in JFK won't hurt LAN between NYC and SCL at all, might even improve the overall economics, but it's not going to be on the same plane, pardon the pun, as a nonstop. I realize some oneworld customers might prefer another OW options, but there are already good ones via the States. Most Canada-originating passengers don't have the same transit issues as those from other countries.

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8803 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5164 times:
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Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 12):
If LAN decide to open Toronto via JFK, the flight will be an extension of the non stop flight from SCL (LA532/533).

Sorry for the double post, but when does SCL-JFK increse to 5x weekly?


User currently offlineIAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5156 times:

If this news is true, I wish LA well. Not only are fuel prices high and margins thin, LA will face a strong competitor that has operated this route for a long time. If LA decides that its flights to YYZ will stop en route, Air Canada's nonstop flights may prove more attractive to many passengers, especially if there is no significant price discrepancy.

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 10):
The possibilities were IAD or YYZ



Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 10):
Option 1: SCL-YYZ (non-stop)
Option 2: SCL-LIM-YYZ
Option 3: SCL-JFK-YYZ

Too bad SCL-IAD-YYZ is not a viable option.  Sad
Nevertheless, I hope that the day is not too far off when LA starts scheduled flights to IAD.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8803 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5134 times:
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Quoting IAD380 (Reply 19):
LA will face a strong competitor that has operated this route for a long time.

I don't think that will matter since LAN is going after premium business travellers in SCL (and also cargo traffic), who have been demanding this service for a while now.
Also, LAN will be starting SCL-CDG in the Fall (a route that AF has been flying for years).


User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5123 times:

Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 14):
Dont shoot the messenger. The original rumour, which was deemed as heresay by Rj_delta, was that LAN would serve SCL on a YUL-YYZ-SCL pattern starting in the fall

I always mentioned that LAN is considering to open a new destination in North America and when commented the information (March 2008) LAN din't consider to open a possible passenger route in Canada. Only cargo operations were confirmed to YUL and YYZ from MIA as its happened recently and will continue during the rest of the year.

And today the route to YYZ is not official yet.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 18):
Sorry for the double post, but when does SCL-JFK increse to 5x weekly?

Mid July 2008.

Saludos,

[Edited 2008-06-02 14:04:34]

User currently offlineSPIM2EDDN From Germany, joined Mar 2008, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5112 times:



Quoting Jamincan (Reply 8):
AC is either splitting EZE and SCL or has already done so

that's right. Therefore a non-stop flight YYZ-SCL would be more reasonable than YYZ-LIM-SCL since AC already covers YYZ-LIM non-stop...


User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5091 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 20):
Also, LAN will be starting SCL-CDG in the Fall (a route that AF has been flying for years).

I have no information about that, specially when during the Fall 2008 LAN will have only 4 A340 in service, because the A340 fleet will go for maintenance and retrofit.


User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5082 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 20):
I don't think that will matter since LAN is going after premium business travellers in SCL (and also cargo traffic), who have been demanding this service for a while now.

If they go through JFK, they will target business traffic - as it is pretty well connected.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 20):
Also, LAN will be starting SCL-CDG in the Fall (a route that AF has been flying for years).

News to me, I haven't seen anything around that would even hint that - I do think, however, that CDG is well fed through MAD with IB.



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25 Post contains links SCL767 : Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 23): I have no information about that, specially when during the Fall 2008 LAN will have only 4 A340 in service, because the A
26 MD11junkie : What do you mean by schedule? What's the flight number?
27 Heathrow : I HIGHLY doubt this. I don't think even AC could have supported a 343 one these routes. I do not think it's needed. AA partners with LA through their
28 SCL767 : I just checked with my source at SCL and was informed that this service was planned, but due to the returning of one of the A340's it was scrapped. H
29 MD11junkie : Returning? No one ever said returning - it was said it's going out for maintenance. LAN will temporarily serve with 4 A340s. I still find odd that LA
30 SCL767 : That's probably what he meant; also LAN has LHR on the radar. Question: where is the aircraft's maintenance conducted? YUL?
31 MD11junkie : No, SCL - LAN conduct's its own maintenance, except for structural repairs. The only A340 to have ever been serviced for LAN in YUL was C-FYLC, befor
32 SCL767 : That's what I meant. I just uploaded the new schedule. In the old schedule it was showing LA SCL-CDG 3x starting July, 2008 (with no equipment or fli
33 RJ_Delta : The maintenance conducted in YUL was the C-FYLC (current CC-CQG) before its deliver to LAN in July 2007. LAN conduct's is own maintenance here in SCL
34 SCL767 : Thanks for the clarification.
35 Viscount724 : In my opinion, serving JFK as a tag-on from JFK would ensure unprofitability.The cost of operating a widebody on the short JFK-YYZ-JFK sectors, with
36 SCL767 : LAN can codeshare on American Eagle's JFK flights to YYZ and YUL, (I believe they codeshare to YUL already through JFK). LA also codeshare's with AA's
37 MD11junkie : That's exactly why SCL-LIM-YYZ is the strongest option. The plane can depart FULL in both cargo and passengers from both ends of the route, which wou
38 SCL767 : My point exactly. Did LAN receive 2 767's recently?
39 Post contains links MD11junkie : 1. CC-CXD, I believe there are two more on the line to be received this year (CC-CXE and -CXF). http://envivodesdescl.blogspot.com/2...es-incrementa-
40 SCL767 : Good news for LAN! BTW how's LAN's EZE-MIA flight performing?
41 IAD380 : Whenever LA expands its European network, LHR seems to make more sense than CDG. First, BA and LA are partners in the One World alliance. Second, no
42 Yellowtail : How bout a nice redeye 4Xweek to IAH.....Cargo yields should be quite healthy.
43 SJOtoLIR : Buenos Aires and Santiago are currently coupled by means of AC YYZ-SCL-EZE and vice versa. However, AC will split such pattern resulting AC YYZ-SCL a
44 SCL767 : Not really since LAN and IB fly SCL-MAD 2x daily, and MAD is also a Oneworld hub offering connections to other destinations.
45 FLYACYYZ : With an anticipated grounding of the 767-200 fleet (9 aircraft), a major route realignment will invariably take place throughout the airline. For that
46 SCL767 : Thanks for the info. Keep us up to date on AC's SCL/EZE route changes.
47 AirCanada014 : I saw in the travel section of Toronto Sun and LAN advertise the price for roundtrip to SCL from YYZ via LIM.. so it looks like SCL-LIM-YYZ..
48 SCL767 : Has this supposed SCL-LIM-YYZ route been announced yet?
49 FLYYUL : I dont believe you. LAN cant offer pricing for a service that does not yet exists, as I believe this is illegal business practice.
50 Viscount724 : Do the ads a new direct service? I expect LA is only advertising their current codeshare services with oneworld alliance partner AA from YYZ via JFK
51 SCL767 : Correct!
52 SJOtoLIR : The point that I made early stated that AC will cease YYZ-SCL-EZE on December 01st. Let me elaborate a bit more: AC 92....YYZ 23:55.....SCL 12:30+1..
53 SCL767 : I was referring to the fact that AC may retire 9 762's due to fuel costs; thus stretching the 767-300 fleet to the max! Therefore, AC may not be able
54 9252fly : The splitting of the EZE and SCL flight is likely to be for only the southern hemisphere summer and will revert to a tag-on flight after the peak sea
55 Eastern023 : What ever happened to IAD as a possible destination for LAN? I think IAD-LIM-SCL on a 763 4 or 5 days a week would do great. A lot of Peruvians here i
56 MD11junkie : That doesn't mean is profitable or a fact to make a flight work.
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