RicardoFG From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 677 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4420 times:
I don't have any links, however there are strong rumours going around YYZ that LAN will begin YYZ service in October. A colleague apparently has been interviewed for the station manager position here...does anyone know anything???
Sebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1658 posts, RR: 15 Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4199 times:
Quoting Chinook747 (Reply 3):
Air Canada serves this route out of YYZ and it does very well. It will be nice to see some more competition out of YYZ if this turns out to be true
People make assumptions like this left and right, but what evidence do you have? Loads and load factors do not equal profitability. The only thing that constitutes "doing very well" is route profitability large enough to cover fully allocated costs - not just block hour costs. With oil the way they are and few airlines profitable on a system wide basis, it begs the question of what routes are "doing very well". I think Air Canada does well on a few international routes, and could do well on Canada-Chile over time, but having just gone to daily year-round service, it seems unlikely that it is doing "very well" already, particularly with $130 oil.
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15714 posts, RR: 48 Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks ago) and read 4173 times:
Quoting Sebring (Reply 4): I think Air Canada does well on a few international routes, and could do well on Canada-Chile over time, but having just gone to daily year-round service, it seems unlikely that it is doing "very well" already, particularly with $130 oil.
Plus it's tagged with EZE, and tags are usually unprofitable.
Pnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2045 posts, RR: 12 Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks ago) and read 4157 times:
This rumour has been going around for a while now. Hopefully this time it is true. It is possible it is either cargo and/or the flight is being driven by cargo loads. AC wouldn't be adding flights with the delays in getting the 787 if there wasn't a good market. North/South trade and not wanted to transit the US are two key factors to further growth of these markets.
The rumor has it, the rumor is correct - LAN is opening a new north american destination. The possibilities were IAD or YYZ - and YYZ was picked in favor of the US capital, as the airline considered the US to be well served by own and code-shared flights.
LAN is in the process of studying the route and different possibilities of serving YYZ.
RJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1943 posts, RR: 13 Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3897 times:
As MD11junkie said the rumours are correct: LAN will open Toronto as new destination in North America in the next months (no date at this moment) with Boeing 767-300ER.
The last week the Canadian Authorities of Aviation (CARAC i think) finished the audit to approve the operations of LAN Airlines in Canada.
LAN is studying "the best way" to serve Toronto considering three options:
Option 1: SCL - YYZ
Option 2: SCL-LIM-YYZ
The stronger options are via Lima or New York JFK. The SCL-LIM-YYZ is interesting because LAN can carrier more payload in both legs. JFK could be a good option specially for business travellers. If LAN decide to open Toronto via JFK, the flight will be an extension of the non stop flight from SCL (LA532/533).
Sebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1658 posts, RR: 15 Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3734 times:
Well if it's not a YYZ-SCL nonstop, I think AC will be thrilled since a lot of the market is large corporate customers in the mining and smelting industries - base metals and gold - based here in Toronto and very much AC customers to begin with. A stop in JFK won't hurt LAN between NYC and SCL at all, might even improve the overall economics, but it's not going to be on the same plane, pardon the pun, as a nonstop. I realize some oneworld customers might prefer another OW options, but there are already good ones via the States. Most Canada-originating passengers don't have the same transit issues as those from other countries.
IAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3715 times:
If this news is true, I wish LA well. Not only are fuel prices high and margins thin, LA will face a strong competitor that has operated this route for a long time. If LA decides that its flights to YYZ will stop en route, Air Canada's nonstop flights may prove more attractive to many passengers, especially if there is no significant price discrepancy.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8261 posts, RR: 5 Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3693 times:
Quoting IAD380 (Reply 19): LA will face a strong competitor that has operated this route for a long time.
I don't think that will matter since LAN is going after premium business travellers in SCL (and also cargo traffic), who have been demanding this service for a while now.
Also, LAN will be starting SCL-CDG in the Fall (a route that AF has been flying for years).
RJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1943 posts, RR: 13 Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3682 times:
Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 14): Dont shoot the messenger. The original rumour, which was deemed as heresay by Rj_delta, was that LAN would serve SCL on a YUL-YYZ-SCL pattern starting in the fall
I always mentioned that LAN is considering to open a new destination in North America and when commented the information (March 2008) LAN din't consider to open a possible passenger route in Canada. Only cargo operations were confirmed to YUL and YYZ from MIA as its happened recently and will continue during the rest of the year.
And today the route to YYZ is not official yet.
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 18): Sorry for the double post, but when does SCL-JFK increse to 5x weekly?