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DL To Announce New International Route From JFK  
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16820 posts, RR: 51
Posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 17181 times:

A new International route from JFK should be announced by DL sometime this week according to Crains:

Quote:
Still, Delta executives say they are continuing to evaluate overseas opportunities and have plans to announce another international flight from JFK later this week.

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/apps/pb...2/FREE/660030332/1052/newsletter01


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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5232 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 17175 times:

I wonder if this is the long awaited announcement regarding the resumption of JFK-NRT?


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User currently onlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3300 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 17019 times:
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I hope it's not somewhere I fly often. I wouldn't want my parents to start choosing DL over CO or LX based on some old mileage we have and based on non-stop-ness.

Only half-joking. Seeing service to somewhere I go often might see fares drop slightly with increased competition.

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User currently offlineZone1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1035 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 16927 times:



Quoting OA412 (Reply 1):
I wonder if this is the long awaited announcement regarding the resumption of JFK-NRT?

I think they need at least one more 777 to come on board and a purchase of a slot before we see JFK-NRT, but the announcement for new service could come now.



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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 16732 times:

I'm curious if the new route will be to a destination in South America?

Perhaps JFK-SCL or jumping the gun on TAM with JFK-GIG.



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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3924 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 16731 times:

yeah, i would dare say its not a 777 route. I'm guessing a 763 route. but where?? hmmmm.....CMN??


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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8285 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 16587 times:
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TOKYO, has to be that is the only BIG international city JFK is missing unless they launch something really earth shaturing like JFK to SYD NONSTOP. AS much as I would love to see DL fly to Australia, I place my bet on Japan.

User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 16552 times:

I'd guess that a "safer" market like JFK-NRT would be launched in the current environment, given that routes like JFK-LGW and JFK-OTP are being dropped. Other guesses would be DEL, DXB, or maybe another Asian city. I'd guess a larger more established market as opposed to a more "unique" Eastern European or African market.

User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 16164 times:



Quoting Zone1 (Reply 3):
think they need at least one more 777 to come on board

Which will happen in the timeframe that would likely be associated with NRT (08Q4 or 09Q1)

All it takes is 1 more 777 since it can be worked into the BOM rotation, the times would work out quite well.. a 10-11am departure to NRT and an arrival at JFK time of 3pm or so.



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8285 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 15929 times:
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Given the anoucement right now in the middle of launching all the new summer services Delta annouced in the spring, this has to be a new route for the fall. It could be for the southern hemisphere summer. I doubt DL would do JFK to EZE or SCL. NRT seems to be the odds on favorite, but Seoul it could be.

User currently offlineLawnDart From United States of America, joined May 2005, 970 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 15129 times:



Quoting CALMSP (Reply 5):
I'm guessing a 763 route. but where??

Yes...

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 9):
I doubt DL would do JFK to EZE or SCL.

Oh, really? Pick one... wink 


User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 15093 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 9):
I doubt DL would do JFK to EZE

I sure as hell don't. Flights to/from ATL are constantly packed.



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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4744 posts, RR: 45
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 15072 times:



Quoting LawnDart (Reply 10):
Oh, really? Pick one...

Yes.

Although, from what I'm hearing there is more than "one" international route to be announced this year still from JFK. Including 777 routes...

 Wink



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32613 posts, RR: 72
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 15019 times:

They might be seeing increased competition from AA on JFK-EZE. Word is AA will be applying with DOT for an additional four JFK-EZE frequencies soon.


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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 15018 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 9):
I doubt DL would do JFK to EZE or SCL.

I believe there has been speculation of a JFK-SCL route for a while now.

With LAN being the only direct competitor in the market there is room for Delta to come in. From what I could tell when I flew the route it seems like loads are generally pretty good.

With the recent "acquisition" of Northwest I think Delta might hold off on announcing NRT. I believe Northwest planned to have one of their first 787 routes be the reopening of NRT-JFK.

[Edited 2008-06-02 18:20:06]


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User currently offlinePlanefxr From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 15014 times:

I guess NRT and DEL.

User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17352 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14964 times:



Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 14):
I believe there has been speculation of a JFK-SCL route for a while now.

That's a pretty thin route, but I guess anything is possible. I'm not convinced JFKGRU is gangbusters for DL so I'm skeptical any further additions to deep South America are forthcoming. They could have added EZE at any time so I'd be surprised if they waited until now, $130 barrel fuel, to snatch the frequencies and send a 767 all the way to EZE.



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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14949 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 16):
$130 barrel fuel, to snatch the frequencies and send a 767 all the way to EZE.

Another issue with South American routes is that the aircraft generally sits on the ground for most of the day. With the crunch in the 767 international schedule I doubt Delta could afford to have another 767 sitting on the ground all day, however a JFK-SCL-EZE-SCL-JFK route could be a possibility?



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7499 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14958 times:

There are several routes that I can see DL flying from JFK. My guesses for the next two would be NRT and EZE.


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8752 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14872 times:
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Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 14):

The NYC-SCL market is small and LAN already flies JFK-SCL 5x weekly (plus flights to SCL via LIM). DL flies ATL-SCL daily; do they have 2 extra 767's to operate a JFK-SCL route?


User currently offlineUSFlyer MSP From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14854 times:

I think that due to high fuel prices it will be something shorter but still very high yield like PAP or LIM.

User currently offlineCokePopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1175 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14801 times:

Galley speculation is the return of NRT,
early next year TLV going to a 777, Morocco and
Addis Ababa, interesting huh?


User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2149 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14719 times:



Quoting CokePopper (Reply 21):

ADD? This cannot be a very big market, except from IAD where ET dominates.


User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14719 times:



Quoting AF022 (Reply 22):
except from IAD

ET used to fly ADD-FCO-EWR as well.



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17352 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 14510 times:



Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 17):

Another issue with South American routes is that the aircraft generally sits on the ground for most of the day.

True--but I wonder if that is so bad right now when you're deciding between flying the plane or parking it; maybe you get the best of both worlds with a deep South American route where the plane sits all day?

Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 20):
I think that due to high fuel prices it will be something shorter but still very high yield like PAP

I'll put my money on PAP too.

Quoting AF022 (Reply 22):
ADD? This cannot be a very big market, except from IAD where ET dominates.

ADD is a small market that works for ET because of the beyond connections and the very local IAD market--I'd be shocked if DL added it.



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25 Post contains images KirkSeattle : Good thought. I flew ATL-EZE and SCL-ATL on Delta in December and both flights were packed. I flew Aerolineas Argentina from EZE to SCL. I believe th
26 Flynavy : In case anyone is wondering, here is DL's current list of outstanding aircraft orders/options: Delta Air Lines Aircraft Order/Option Breakdown B737-70
27 Nickofatlanta : What is the status of DL's slots at NRT? I have heard mixed things - some say that they were leased to FedEx whilst others say that they were sold to
28 SCL767 : This is why AF and AC have discontinued their respective tag-ons between the two cities.
29 1821 : I'd place my bet on JFK - SYD. DL for sometime has been murmuring about launching an oceanic route. Now that their 777's LR are in their fleet they ha
30 Flynavy : Keep in mind our 777-232LRs do not have the auxiliary fuel tanks installed.
31 Alitalia744 : You sure about that bud?
32 SCL767 : I would say either PAP, UVF, LIM, EZE, or DXB.
33 Jumbojet : Obviously you know something we dont and you cant say for obvious reasons. Can you at least throw us a hint guy? Also, I got a trip report with pics
34 KirkSeattle : That would be fun! SYD is on my list and I need some miles via Skyteam! KE would work but a little round about. If we are tossing out guesses...mine
35 Addd : Why not LED or WAW?
36 SCL767 : LED might work; however, WAW will end up like OTP given the current costs of fuel.
37 Delta4eva : European routes are usually announced in October/November to start the next Spring/early Summer. This will either be a Latin America route or an Asia
38 OOer : I really think JFK-LIM has a high possiblity...the loads are very good out of ATL and the 767-400s are always weight restricted coming out of there du
39 MaverickM11 : That's a good point--with NW's slot-shell game at NRT swapping slots between mainline, cargo, and their limited SPN/GUM operation, they could easily
40 Flynavy : I go off what's on the books. That being said... We just took delivery of a 777-300ER flight simulator. The initial plan was to convert it to a 200LR
41 Flynavy : If I recall, NW is ending its NRT-CAN B757 service. Where that slot is being allocated next is the real question...
42 RwSEA : NW has recently announced both NRT-TPE and another frequency on NRT-SPN, so I would assume one of those (unless there's more cargo cancellations that
43 JFK787NYC : WAW I believe is totally out of the question. The routes to Poland from JFK are totally covered with LOT, The only American Carriers I could see looki
44 STT757 : CO stated their intentions of launching EWR-Warsaw in the next couple of years.
45 Sxf24 : Those NW 744s do need to be replaced...
46 AV8AJET : How about JFK-GLA...I know that CO does it from EWR but DL does JFK-EDI and CO EWR-EDI also...just a guess. I can still hope one day ATL-GLA will happ
47 MaverickM11 : Both of those are just placeholders until they find something better to do with them, which may be nothing at all.
48 Post contains links SkyTeamTriStar : Are you referring to this JFK announcement: http://news.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=11081 EDIT: Misunderstood the question at-hand. Is DL
49 STT757 : The Crains article discusses DL's International growth at JFK including the recent expansion, they also mention DL officials will announce a new Inte
50 SkyTeamTriStar : AF is on track to do the same. 733ERs can handle more freight and can operate in a more efficient manner, right?
51 Addd : Not sure abouth that either - with all the enormous VFR traffic between Chicago and Poland, LOT already flies 11 non-stops a week tp WAW and 5 non-st
52 8herveg : I thought about GLA as well. I'm suprised it doesn't have a JFK connection already. I know CO flies to EWR, but JFK is the main airport of New York.
53 Flynavy : While still very capable aircraft, yes, the "in" thing airlines are doing these days is replacing the 744 with the 77W. Our CEO has a thing for cargo
54 Mayor : I'm glad to see that someone with DL finally has a "thing" for cargo. It will be the first time in my memory. When I hired on in '71 until I retired
55 RL757PVD : Well the nice thing about being a "global airline" is the global reach when it comes to cargo. probably second onyl to a UPS or a fedex in terms of r
56 Mayor : There was already a separate cargo JV in place with AF and KE. Been there for several years.
57 Post contains links Planefxr : What is on the books and what is on the employee website, are not always the same. The 8-K form released on 4-23-08 specifically listed a/c orders. 7
58 Planefxr : Sorry, Bad link go to Delta's investor relations page of Delta's website then download 8-K form adobe format and on p.24 on adobe tool window is the i
59 DLBOIFIN : Definitely JFK-HEL, 5 x week 767-300ER...
60 Atlanta : I hope it's NRT! Atlanta
61 AmricanShamrok : Cork, Ireland (ORK)
62 Revo : BHX?????? Filler........................................
63 Dbo861 : JFK-SYD..my dreams would be answered. Is it possible for this route to happen without the auxiliary tanks on the 777LR? Could future deliveries come w
64 Rwy04LGA : I concur! Make that a 773ER! As I've proposed before, a 777LR filled with BE seats might be light enough to make JFK-SYD nonstop. Configure only one
65 DocLightning : HUH? You can hardly get on a train in Manhattan without hearing Argentinian Spanish. Three of the doctors in my department alone are Argentinos. And
66 AV8AJET : I would like to think so, although I think that the availability of "ER" airplanes and the "push" to Africa is not gonna make this flight happen for
67 Reggaebird : I am ready for JFK-HKG would be nice!!!!
68 Papatango : What day this week is announcement supposed to happen?
69 SCL767 : They will be facing stiff competition from AA's 11x weekly Winter service to EZE.[Edited 2008-06-03 17:52:03]
70 DocLightning : I thought competition was a good thing. And it's a lucrative market as Argentina is a rapidly expanding economy.
71 USAirALB : I see the return of flights to WAW and NRT, coming soon. SYD would be nice, but not as the airline industry is going into a tailwind.
72 MAH4546 : WAW isn't happening at $130 fuel, nor would an airline be stupid enough to launch a route to Poland in the winter unless that route is to Florida.
73 SCL767 : DL will not succeed due to the fact that the 767 will not be able to offer a wide mix of yields (e.g. UA IAD-GRU and UA IAD-GIG); and will also displ
74 MaverickM11 : Rapidly inflating more than anything....
75 PanAm330 : I'd just about pee my pants for that one. $699 intro fares, anyone?!
76 LawnDart : no... no... no... This should be EASY...
77 Jacobin777 : Not going to happen..though I do expect ATL-HKG as well as JFK-NRT might happen. Market's too small...better to use the -200LR's somewhere else. If "
78 Jfk777 : Delta owns Atlanta to EZE, JFK to EZE is a whole different world since the world flies to JFK. AA owns JFK to EZE and Aerolinias also flies the route
79 DiscoverCSG : Yep. I'm taking a trip to BA next week - it's cheap and there's lots to do/see.
80 Papatango : Well it is 2300 sat night and no announcement what is the time frame now for the BIG JFK announcement?
81 Post contains links DeltaL1011man : Could be WAW but as MAH4546 said it would be stupid to start a route to WAW in the winter. http://www.polskieradio.pl/thenews/lifestyle/?id=79116 My b
82 Papatango : DEC 2008 JFK-EZE 5 times a week
83 Flynavy : Source?
84 SCL767 : Is this official?
85 Post contains links Jetlanta : http://airlineinfo.com/ost10/ost060908.html#Anchor-Delta-47383
86 DocLightning : DAYUM he's good!!! *triumphantly buffs finger nails on shirt*
87 AlitaliaMD11 : Looks like I was right on track... This route will do very well, especially when it is inaugurated in December!
88 Jfk777 : JFK to EZE is surprising to me. With Aerolinias Argentinas almost gone, AA owns the market. I never thought a second USA arline would fly the market.
89 AlitaliaMD11 : American may currently be the top contender on the route but that's because the other airline serving the route is rather unstable at the moment and
90 SCL767 : Very true, since AA will increase JFK-EZE to 11x weekly for the Southern summer.
91 MAH4546 : AR does not fly to New York anymore. LAN does offer no-change-of-plane service via Santiago. That's interesting. Considering Delta is still third at
92 DeltaL1011man : Ed said Delta is the largest airline in New York. Ill try to find a link but him and Anderson have both said it in a few of the latest PRs. (Not sayi
93 Lambert747 : Continental Airlines operates EWR-IAH-EZE same plane service daily with 767-200 or 777-200 depending on the season..
94 MAH4546 : No, they are not. Continental Airlines is the largest airline in New York; then JetBlue; then American; then Delta. At JFK, DL is #3 after B6 and AA.
95 Lambert747 : Why not, we all know that the New York/Newark market is common ground. Now saying that as can be expected Continental Airlines is top dog..
96 AlitaliaMD11 : News to me! Perhaps I should have specified. I was indeed referring to the constant opening of new routes and such. I don't believe it is at the curr
97 DeltaL1011man : "Today's announcement illustrates Delta's commitment to winning in New York and is an important first step in redeveloping the Terminal 2/3 facility
98 DeltaL1011man : Personally I don't give a crap.......AA is larger good for them I'll be sure to send the boys in DFW a freaking cookie. You say that as if I'm trying
99 Lambert747 : I am not going to open a pissing match. It amazes me to see people try spin on the website with statements such as the above.. When airlines serve Ne
100 DeltaL1011man : And as I said EWR serves the NYC area but fact is it is NOT in the State of New York. Period. And ,As per DL's CFO, Delta is the largest airline in N
101 Panamair : That's why Delta said "New York City". Technically JFK and LGA are part of New York City (they are located in boroughs of New York City) whilst EWR i
102 SCL767 : Which was just an obvious PR stunt on DL's behalf to showcase their JFK network. How many T777 movements does DL have at JFK? And also, how many tran
103 Cubsrule : That ratio is interesting... AA is, IIRC, at 7x weekly in the (northern hemisphere) summer and 11x in the winter. Assuming a similar pattern for DL,
104 Post contains links Lambert747 : Sorry but if American Airlines carries 3 million more domestic and 1 million more international passengers how is Delta Air Lines larger than them in
105 DeltaL1011man : Point? If its a case of T7s B6 is super screwed. Transcons DL:JFK-LAX,SFO,SAN,SEA,LAS AA JFK-LAX,SFO,SAN,SEA,LAS Who has more TATL flights? Who has m
106 Panamair : The term "largest" is deliberately left ambiguous as one can argue who is largest by various criteria. For example, DL may be 'largest' out of New Yo
107 Lambert747 : There is all of 1 T7 movement per day with Delta Air Lines at JFK, that being to Mumbai American Airlines operates the following T7 operations from J
108 SCL767 : Regardless, who offers the most seats? My question was how many DL 777 flights operate from JFK daily?
109 SCL767 : Thanks Lambert747, you answered my question.
110 Lambert747 : I would like to add that many seem to think that Delta Air Lines will add the following T7 JFK Ops in the next year or within the next few years. Reme
111 DeltaL1011man : Ok your right AA has T7s going to LHR NRT and GRU-GIG. Well thats all fine and good but if you want to go to AMS on AA from JFK your pretty much scre
112 Lambert747 : American Airlines does of course fly : 1 x JFK-BRU 2 x JFK-CDG 1 x JFK-MXP 1 x JFK-BCN
113 Post contains links Delta4eva : I have been following the NY/NJ Port Authority traffic statistics for the last year, and it is amazing how much DL has grown at JFK. Including all the
114 Post contains links SCL767 : Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 112): AA also flies JFK-ZRH 1x daily and JFK-FCO 1x daily. AA also codeshares with IB JFK-MAD and LAN's JFK-LIM and JFK-SCL.
115 Malaysia : JFK-BKK Equipment Boeing 777-232LR :D
116 Lambert747 : Thanks for that!! I almost forgot... Lets see the American Airlines Euro scheduled flights from JFK are: JFK-LHR x 5 JFK-CDG x 2 JFK-FCO x 1 JFK-MXP
117 DeltaL1011man : Delta Flys: ACC 1X AMM 1X AMS 1X BCN 1X TXL 1X ATH 1X BUD 1X OTP 1X BRU 1X CAI 1X DUB 1X DKR 1X EDI 1X FRA 1X IST 1X KBP 1X AGP 1X LHR 2X MAN 1X MAD
118 Lambert747 : LOL.. DeltaL1011man.. You know I like a good game of airline talk.. You are a great player! Have a great one! = JFK-FCO is 2x 767-300 operated by Del
119 Cubsrule : 1x (DL 118/119) 2x (DL 148/149 and 200/201) DL only flies to SCL from ATL (DL 146/147), though DL 147 originates in EWR (with a change of gauge at AT
120 Post contains links SCL767 : Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 117): SCL 1X DELTA flies from New York Kennedy to Santiago de Chile? I think you need to check DL's schedule! Also, DL's
121 DeltaL1011man : it said a 752 and a A343 ah ok thanks. like i said it listed a 752 and a A343 read up I'll you what guys............that dam timetable is confusing a
122 Alitalia744 : According to the PANYNJ, for the 12mo ending March 2008 at JFK, Febs #s while slightly smaller show DL leading as well. AA (7,740,098) + AEagle (6226
123 Cubsrule : For an airline with a pretty functional website, kisoks, etc., you'd expect a better timetable.
124 STT757 : The argument is childish, CO dominates the NYC market, it handled more than 25 Million passengers from EWR last year ( more than double DL from EWR,
125 Mayor : Careful. Using that logic, ORD isn't really in Chicago, either. Actually, the city limits were altered to put the airport at ORD within the Chicago l
126 STT757 : Reagan National Airport is not in Washington D.C., it's in Virginia, CVG is not in Cincinnati or the State of Ohio it's in Kentucky, Washington Dulle
127 SCL767 : Very good point, since EWR is in New Jersey and not NY state.
128 Evan767 : Indeed it is. So then why are you adding fuel to the argument?
129 Alitalia744 : This argument is getting ridiculous and turning into another stupid pissing match between the silverjets, the globes and the widgets. Lets just end it
130 DeltaL1011man : agreed.........jeesh can't even post a quote with out getting into a pissing match........gotta love a.net
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