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Cost Of Filling Up A 777  
User currently offlineMastermis From Cayman Islands, joined Apr 2008, 142 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9632 times:

This subject has been discussed before, but here are some numbers that seem reliable from today's Globe & Mail about AC's 777's & 767's

"When Air Canada fills up a new Boeing 777 in Toronto with jet fuel for a one-way flight to London's Heathrow Airport, it now costs $68,948."

"Air Canada also uses smaller Boeing 767s on the transatlantic service, with the fill-up costing $47,658, or $225.87 for each of the aircraft's 211 seats. The Montreal-based airline's current fuel expenses are based on oil prices of about $130 (U.S.) a barrel."

FYI : 1CA$ = 1US$

http://www.globeinvestor.com/servlet...tory/GAM.20080603.RIATA03/GIStory/

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User currently offlineAnalog From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8135 times:

That must take forever with the $75 credit-card pre-authorization limit. Big grin

It's actually cheaper than I expected; for the cheapest fare in the next 3 months (909CAD excluding taxes) fuel is only about 22% of the ticket price. I was expecting closer to 30%

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Even with new fuel-efficient Boeing 777s, Air Canada's fuel surcharge on the Toronto-London route doesn't cover the one-way fuelling costs of $197.56 for each of the plane's 349 seats.

What a wonderful comparison. Life must have been difficult before fuel surcharges, when the $0 did not cover the one-way fueling costs of >$0.


User currently offlineSimProgrammer From France, joined Aug 2004, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8041 times:

The cost of filling a T7 depends on who you are.

If you are a state owned carrier whose an OPEC member then its buttons. If you buy fuel on the open market then it vairies from day to day and wat T7 you have.

How longs a piece of string & go by the ballpark 40,000 liters.



Drive a bus, an Airbus, easier than a London bus!
User currently offlineAnalog From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7994 times:



Quoting SimProgrammer (Reply 2):
The cost of filling a T7 depends on who you are.

If you are a state owned carrier whose an OPEC member then its buttons. If you buy fuel on the open market then it vairies from day to day and wat T7 you have.

Not really...

If you are an OPEC member then giving the fuel to your state-carrier has an opportunity cost equal to the value of that fuel. Sure, theoretically there are potential savings from the lack of middlemen, etc., but then again a gov't bureaucracy will be doing the work. It may also not detract from the state's OPEC quota, though it does take away from the state's oil reserves that could later be sold.

In a grand scale it's probably a wash for the airline's owner (the state).


User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7973 times:



Quoting SimProgrammer (Reply 2):

If you are a state owned carrier whose an OPEC member then its buttons. If you buy fuel on the open market then it vairies from day to day and wat T7 you have.

We also forget taxes. Taxes on jet fuel vary widely by country. And some countries subsidize petroleum prices. Air Canada faces excise taxes on domestic fuel, both from the federal and some provincial governments (depending on where fuel is uploaded).


User currently offlineClimb1 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7832 times:

Interesting article. Im curious now as to how much on average it would cost to fill one of the bigger birds on a long haul flight. Say the 744 or even the A380?


In my eyes the Boeing 747 will ALWAYS be the queen of the skies!
User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7806 times:

That cost of going from IAD-KWI is 100,000 plus for UA982........

UA981 is even more going back.

[Edited 2008-06-03 08:41:04]

User currently offlineAvallillo From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7712 times:

Ah..............what a bargain the crew is, by comparison!

A very rough estimate of the cost of a 767 cockpit crew for a JFK-CDG flight would be around $3200 (US). If the flight was nearly full, which is often the case these days, that works out to
$16 (US) per passenger! For the entire crew (3 pilots on JFK-CDG). Broken down, that would be around $7 for the Captain, and $4.50 for each of the two FO's.

We pilots might be better off if we flew for free, and collected a tip of just 10% of the ticket price per head!! For the entire crew, cockpit and cabin!

That would work out to around $35 per head, based upon discounted ticket prices last year, at any rate! Around $7000 for the 200 passengers! That would be a nice raise for everyone on the crew, although the old man with the 4 stripes would probably want the bulk of it!!!!!

Best of all, when fares go up ( as fuel prices go up ) so do the tips!

Of course, we would have to rely on passengers tipping more reliably than many airline Captains do!!!

Too bad I didn't pitch that to the union before I retired from the left seat a few months ago!


User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6203 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7181 times:



Quoting Analog (Reply 1):
That must take forever with the $75 credit-card pre-authorization limit.

Incidently, I didn't even know about the $75 limit until three days ago when I, for the first time ever, exceeded $75 without filling up my tank!



Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25101 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6716 times:

Cathay Pacific's CEO was quoted a week or so ago saying that the cost of fuel for a 747-400 on a round trip HKG-LHR-HKG is about US$ 360,000.

User currently offlineLutfi From China, joined Sep 2000, 771 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6347 times:



Quoting Analog (Reply 1):
It's actually cheaper than I expected; for the cheapest fare in the next 3 months (909CAD excluding taxes) fuel is only about 22% of the ticket price. I was expecting closer to 30%

Uhm - the fuel is one way the ticket (I guess) round trip, So 44%


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