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Australian Aviation Thread 15  
User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 18
Posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 15730 times:

With the other thread surpassing 200 replies I thought it was time for the 15th installment. Thanks to those who participated in thread 14

Just to sum up what made news and discussion in thread 14.

*The future of QFs B747-300s with retirement of the aircraft in December
*Growth of domestic market from MEL
*Change JQ Japanese (KIX) operation. Flight via QLD will operate via OOL rather than BNE from OCT01
*Differing opinions on why consumers travel on QF as opposed to DJ and v.v
*QF raise fares due to soaring fuel prices
*Vietnam's Pacific Airlines officially renamed as jetStar Pacific
*Tiger increases ADL to 3 daily and CBR to 2 daily
*Jetstar increases services from NTL
*China Southern reduces SYD from 4 to 3 weekly and swaps B772 with A330 on MEL route
*$1 billion loss has been predicted for QF if fuel price continues to rise with DJ being in a similar situation
*Qantas groups reduction and cancellation of domestic services - Additional thread: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4001142/

Informative website which gives current information on QF Fleet
LINK: http://www.icns.com.au/qflyer/

Previous Thread: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eral_aviation/read.main/3984946/1/

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User currently offlineSmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1533 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 15533 times:

I have a question regarding the new domestic QF A332, with the new J config of 2X2X2 are they introducing new seats or are the asiles simply going to be huge. Will we perhaps see a return of the DreamTime seats?

And still no word on the PTVs?

Also as a side bit of news QF is upgrading their first product slightly, with a proper bedding down service that sees a Mattress, a new Duvet, a bolster pillow (what ever the hell that is) new amentity kits and fitted sheet.
The mattress seems like a good idea to me the first seats always seemed a tad hard to me, I could only ever sleep with them in a Z style position never completly flat because of this, so thumbs up from me.


User currently offlineJokestar From Australia, joined Apr 2008, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 15527 times:



Quoting VHVXB (Thread starter):
*The future of QFs B747-300s with retirement of the aircraft in December

My Dad was in 5E on QF575 today and he said nothing on the plane worked, especially the IFE. The CSM explained (probably as part of her routine by now) how they were being in retired in December, but I thought, that's fine that they're going, but in the meantime, the prices are still going up while the product is in no way improving, and in many ways declining. I do agree, however that it will be a shame to see them flying no longer.


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 15442 times:

Qantas hit by long delays
Scott Rochfort
June 4, 2008


QANTAS has blamed "technical issues" for the recent spate of delays and cancellations of its Boeing 747 flights, which culminated in a flight to London leaving about 24 hours late yesterday due to engine problems and the discovery of several blocked toilets.

After seeing off a flight from Sydney to Los Angeles more than 22 hours late and a flight to Bangkok 18 hours late on Monday, Qantas flight QF31 finally took-off at 4.22pm yesterday.

"We have experienced some international delays in recent days and this has been a result of technical issues."

A 747 flight to Hong Kong was also cancelled. The airline conceded the industrial dispute with its licensed aircraft maintenance engineers was starting to have an impact. Overtime bans were biting despite signs of a potential breakthrough in wage talks.

Even before the union held its first stopwork meetings last week Qantas had problems with its ageing fleet of 747s. About two weeks ago a 747-300 flight from Perth to Sydney was delayed by 20 hours.

The nightmare for passengers on flight QF31 to London, which was due to leave at 4.55pm on Monday, started when they were told the 747 was having engine problems. Passengers were forced to disembark at 10pm when the engine failed. They were put up in hotels, with the new departure confirmed for 10.30am.

Passengers passed through customs a second time, only to be told the flight was delayed until 1pm. Then, just as it was to take off, engineers were called to tend to a blocked toilet. Soon the captain reported several blocked toilets.

"It will be a very long time before I travel with Qantas again," one passenger said in an email.

More at Sydney Morning Herald



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User currently offlineJbernie From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 15419 times:



Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 3):
Passengers passed through customs a second time, only to be told the flight was delayed until 1pm. Then, just as it was to take off, engineers were called to tend to a blocked toilet. Soon the captain reported several blocked toilets.

Will be very interesting to find out how 3 toilets clogged up, mechanical malfunction or foul play? With the way the delays are going the last thing they need is a rogue passenger or two to clog the toilets.


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4636 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 15409 times:



Quoting Smi0006 (Reply 1):
And still no word on the PTVs?

I doubt the domestic A332s will have IFE different from the rest of the domestic fleet a la the 747-300s.

I'm a big fan of PTVs and to me it makes sense for them to have it on the SYD/MEL-PER (since it would be a downgrade to the current offering without them), but I don't think they will. When the aircraft are being used on non-transcontinentals, it would differentiate the product.

In a dream world, it would be nice to see PTVs across the domestic fleet, but that's not going to happen either. I'd like to be shocked though  Smile

Quoting Smi0006 (Reply 1):
a bolster pillow (what ever the hell that is)

Looking it up online, it's a pillow that goes under the normal pillow. A "long narrow pillow" is what it says. I guess it's one of those ones you can shove behind your back as well.

Quoting Smi0006 (Reply 1):
Also as a side bit of news QF is upgrading their first product slightly,

I like that - it looks like it's being brought up to a standard higher than BA.

Quoting Jbernie (Reply 4):
Will be very interesting to find out how 3 toilets clogged up, mechanical malfunction or foul play? With the way the delays are going the last thing they need is a rogue passenger or two to clog the toilets.

Might not be a rogue passenger - if there were that many going u/s at once, what are the chances of a rogue engineer who desperately needs his extra 1% in his pay to keep up with the shocking Australian inflation? (I am being tongue in cheek on the "shocking inflation", before my humour is once again misconstrued!)



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User currently offlineJbernie From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 15402 times:



Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 5):
Might not be a rogue passenger - if there were that many going u/s at once, what are the chances of a rogue engineer who desperately needs his extra 1% in his pay to keep up with the shocking Australian inflation? (I am being tongue in cheek on the "shocking inflation", before my humour is once again misconstrued!)

Something about having a sh*tty job with piss poor pay maybe?  Smile

Wouldn't doubt it being an inside job either... both a re possible at the moment, 3 at one time though?


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5244 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 15372 times:



Quoting VHVXB (Thread starter):
*China Southern reduces SYD from 4 to 3 weekly and swaps B772 with A330 on MEL route

http://www.bizchina-update.com/content/view/919/2/

Now they are rumoured to be cutting services...

Quoting Smi0006 (Reply 1):
ave a question regarding the new domestic QF A332, with the new J config of 2X2X2 are they introducing new seats or are the asiles simply going to be huge.

Same seat - One of the biggest gripes was the 2-3-2 configuration whent hey were lastin service, so it appears QF listened. Certainly not dreamtime seats as pitch remains the same.

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 5):
SYD/MEL-PER (since it would be a downgrade to the current offering without them),

Yeah - but they also have loads of 737 & 767's plying the route now without PTV's...

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 5):
if there were that many going u/s at once, what are the chances of a rogue engineer who desperately needs his extra 1% in his pay to keep up with the shocking Australian inflation?

I think it is foul play - these things have been done before (ie the blocked toilets) and lets not forget the stpales and tape that were applied in Australia after aircraft returned from O/S MX and then attempts were made to blame it on the O/S repairs and then internal investigations found otherwise.


User currently offlineSparklehorse12 From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 908 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 15363 times:



Quoting ANstar (Reply 7):

I think it is foul play - these things have been done before (ie the blocked toilets) and lets not forget the stpales and tape that were applied in Australia after aircraft returned from O/S MX and then attempts were made to blame it on the O/S repairs and then internal investigations found otherwise.

Dixon is trying to wring every last drop of blood out of a fleet that should have been upgraded years ago. His scaremongering and wage freezes back during Sept 11 and Sars is coming back to bite his mammoth bonused behind. He is like the boy who cries wolf and he has cried it too many times......QF employees don't buy it anymore and neither should they. I know someone who went over to SIT to assist with the Singapore plane and it was fairly ugly...



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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4636 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 15347 times:



Quoting ANstar (Reply 7):
Yeah - but they also have loads of 737 & 767's plying the route now without PTV's...

True, which is why I think they'll not have PTVs in the new A332s.

I also don't think 2x2x2 is anything shocking - most carriers have 2x2x2 in regional J on the A330. QF were unusual in having 3 in the middle.

Quoting ANstar (Reply 7):
I think it is foul play - these things have been done before (ie the blocked toilets) and lets not forget the stpales and tape that were applied in Australia after aircraft returned from O/S MX and then attempts were made to blame it on the O/S repairs and then internal investigations found otherwise.

Completely agree with you on that!



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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 15329 times:



Quoting ANstar (Reply 7):
I think it is foul play - these things have been done before (ie the blocked toilets) and lets not forget the stpales and tape that were applied in Australia after aircraft returned from O/S MX and then attempts were made to blame it on the O/S repairs and then internal investigations found otherwise.

Internal investigations eh? If that is indeed true and if I were in charge of SIAEC I would spend some money and sue TodayTonight (ABC) and the union for implicating it shamefully in this masacarade. Not impressed.

Anyway, I see reasons for delays to Singapore Airlines flights daily and I don't see B747s going tech as often, and no way as long in duration (10+ hours) as Qantas' B744s. Something's up but one probably can't point the finger without slandering some entity / persons unfortunately.



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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5244 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 15331 times:



Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 9):
True, which is why I think they'll not have PTVs in the new A332s.

and I guess the subsequent weight savings a not having all that additional equipment & wiring


User currently offlineCupraIbiza From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 836 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 15321 times:



Quoting Jbernie (Reply 4):
Will be very interesting to find out how 3 toilets clogged up, mechanical malfunction or foul play?

Occam's razor

Quoting Sparklehorse12 (Reply 8):
out of a fleet that should have been upgraded years ago

um A380 delay?? hellloooo??



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User currently offlineGarethW From New Zealand, joined Apr 2006, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 15300 times:



Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 3):
"It will be a very long time before I travel with Qantas again," one passenger said in an email.

I don't think QF will be losing sleep about this person. Those of us who travel regularly accept delays as part of the game. Pain in the ass value for sure, but it's life.

In saying that, they must be itching for A380s, when seeing SQ flogging theirs around the world with almost flawless operational records.



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User currently offlineSparklehorse12 From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 908 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 15261 times:



Quoting CupraIbiza (Reply 12):
Quoting Sparklehorse12 (Reply 8):
out of a fleet that should have been upgraded years ago

um A380 delay?? hellloooo??

Cupralbiza - when I say years ago I mean years ago.......777 hello?????



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User currently offlineTayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 15168 times:

A somewhat relevant article (domestic airline growth in MEL) in today's Age: http://www.theage.com.au/national/a-...nishing-tourist-20080603-2lca.html

A country in pursuit of the vanishing tourist
June 4, 2008

Throw all the shrimps at all the barbies you can muster, those hordes of happy holidaymakers just aren't coming, writes Jewel Topsfield of the crisis gripping Australia's tourism industry.

AUSTRALIAN tourism has "lost its mojo" since the heady 1980s when Paul Hogan lured Americans to our shores with the promise of a shrimp on the barbie, with the number of international tourists flatlining.

Tourism and Transport Forum's Christopher Brown said the number of first-time holidaymakers to Australia had gone backwards in the past seven years. He accused the industry of riding on the back of the seminal Come and Say G'day campaign starring Hogan.

The only state to buck the downward trend was Victoria, with the You'll love every piece of Victoria jigsaw campaign, which was launched in 1993, "the most successful domestic tourism campaign the country has ever seen".

"For the first time ever tourists spent more money in Melbourne than Sydney last year," Mr Brown said.

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see link for the rest of the article


User currently offlineLOUMEL From Australia, joined May 2008, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 15166 times:



Quoting Sparklehorse12 (Reply 14):
Cupralbiza - when I say years ago I mean years ago.......777 hello?????

In a former job I had a good insight into the 98/99 decision not to buy the B777/A340 and the subsequent decision to buy the A330 and the B744ER instead.

Nearly ten years later I still think Qantas made the right business call with that combination and not going for the B777/A340.....even though I realise that statement will be meet with howls of derision.


User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5855 posts, RR: 39
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 15163 times:



Quoting Tayser (Reply 15):
A somewhat relevant article (domestic airline growth in MEL) in today's Age:

I can't believe tourism experts in this country can't work out why people are not coming to Australia...shit, its expensive enough just living here, but holidaying here would cost travellers an arm & a leg.



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User currently offlineKent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 965 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 15132 times:

New slogan - "Visit Australlia - We used to be safe!"

Well, apart from the deadly creatures, of course.....

Kent

PS. Not sure how to make this CivAv relevant - maybe a Q about what QF is likely to use for the MEL-SYD-BNE slog after the 767s....


User currently offlineCupraIbiza From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 836 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 15123 times:

Quoting Sparklehorse12 (Reply 14):
Quoting CupraIbiza (Reply 12):
Quoting Sparklehorse12 (Reply 8):
out of a fleet that should have been upgraded years ago

um A380 delay?? hellloooo??

Cupralbiza - when I say years ago I mean years ago.......777 hello?????

Oh you mean THAT years ago. I just thought you meant years ago. Also you mentioned that it was Dixon. According to LOUMEL the decision was made in 1999. When did Dixon become CEO??? He was second in charge wasnt he when the decision was made??

Whilst we are coming in from different abngles.... if it were not fot the A380 saga wouldn't the delaying of fleet upgrade been seen as a masterstroke. whereas now I suppose it isnt.

Quoting LOUMEL (Reply 16):
Nearly ten years later I still think Qantas made the right business call with that combination and not going for the B777/A340.....even though I realise that statement will be meet with howls of derision.

Not from me LOUMEL. Since you say if was a former job are you able to give us more of an insight? Would be fantastic and fascinating if you could

Quoting Tayser (Reply 15):
The only state to buck the downward trend was Victoria, with the You'll love every piece of Victoria jigsaw campaign, which was launched in 1993, "the most successful domestic tourism campaign the country has ever seen".

Its not the campaign. Its the product. But hopefully the remaining dozens of tourists stick to Sydney/Gold Coast/Sunshine Coast etc etc. No tourists - its what makes Melbourtne great for tourists (and reisdents alike!)

[Edited 2008-06-03 20:07:07]


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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5244 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 15096 times:



Quoting Sparklehorse12 (Reply 14):
777 hello?????

A330 hello! It is much better on the routes that Qantas is suing them on - ie Asia... the 777 would have been too much aircrfat AT THE TIME

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 17):
but holidaying here would cost travellers an arm & a leg.

Yes - i remember living in London and coming back thinking how much more expensive it was here!


User currently offlineDptMAN From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 15091 times:



Quoting Tayser (Reply 15):
A country in pursuit of the vanishing tourist
June 4, 2008

Throw all the shrimps at all the barbies you can muster, those hordes of happy holidaymakers just aren't coming, writes Jewel Topsfield of the crisis gripping Australia's tourism industry.

AUSTRALIAN tourism has "lost its mojo" since the heady 1980s when Paul Hogan lured Americans to our shores with the promise of a shrimp on the barbie, with the number of international tourists flatlining.

Tourism and Transport Forum's Christopher Brown said the number of first-time holidaymakers to Australia had gone backwards in the past seven years. He accused the industry of riding on the back of the seminal Come and Say G'day campaign starring Hogan.

The only state to buck the downward trend was Victoria, with the You'll love every piece of Victoria jigsaw campaign, which was launched in 1993, "the most successful domestic tourism campaign the country has ever seen".

"For the first time ever tourists spent more money in Melbourne than Sydney last year," Mr Brown said.

For many Europeans now it is cheap to fly to new places on LCC's - granted going on holiday from the UK to Bulgaria isnt as flash or extravegant as heading Down Under for a few weeks. But still its cheap and somewhere new for many. The opening EU market of flights from airlines such as Wizzair, Ryanair and easyJet has expanded due to the addition of countries to the EU. Plus with flight prices on the up due to fuel costs more and more people will choose to stick to medium haul destinations due to holiday costs.

I know that was off topic from domestic tourism but still a valid point i believe. I would just like to add i now live in Australia and soon will begin travelling around to the likes of Sydney, Melbourne etc. However now with QF announcing an increase in prices (4% i believe i heard somewhere?) and grounding planes along with JQ this will ultimately lead to a decrease in demand for air travel. On experience Australians would prefer to travel further afield to the likes of Eurpe which also could be causing a decrease in domestic tourism.
dptMAN


User currently offlineAllrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2081 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 15072 times:



Quoting Tayser (Reply 15):
The only state to buck the downward trend was Victoria, with the You'll love every piece of Victoria jigsaw campaign, which was launched in 1993, "the most successful domestic tourism campaign the country has ever seen".

Considering the domestic tourist market, it's definitely easier (and perceived to be easier) for Australians to travel overseas than in the 80's. Not just the dollar, but also cheap airfares, more accessible information about overseas destinations (internet, Lonely Planet, Getaway and it's ilk), even credit cards, common currencies and a fair number of English speakers/signs in non-English countries. Don't even have to worry about strange food, seeing as your local shopping centre food court probably has a (poor) imitation of the cuisine.

You go overseas and you generally experience a whole different culture, usually with a long history of civilisation. Go to Europe and you can easily experience many, many different countries and cultures in a short period of time. Places like Europe, Hong Kong and Japan have excellent public transport systems making independent travel easy. Most SE Asian countries have cheap taxis.

Australia is a remarkably homogeneous continent, culturally speaking. One common language, national television stations, the same chains of shops in Westfields across the nation. There is much beauty to be seen in this country, but it's often a real pain in the neck to get to, or it's expensive! Hell, even if it's close by it can be a pain. Take many of Sydney's best eating areas. Only accessible by car (or horrible bus), no parking, traffic jams to get there... and I live in this city!

I think Victoria has succeeded because Melbourne is the closest you can get to Europe in Australia. Many Victorian sights are close by and easily accessible by short drives or on public transport (look at the state rail/bus network map).

But even in Victoria it's an unchallenging experience. As an Australian you know how the system works, you know the customs, the language and all the little things about how to get by. Where's the challenge?

Likewise, I think international tourists are getting more sophisticated and our advertising needs to reflect that, especially in light of our high dollar. Honestly, why bother going to the Gold Coast, when there are cheaper overdeveloped beach areas in so many other places of the world? What do we have experientially, culturally and scenically different to the rest of the world? How can we make it easy for tourists to experience those differences while still retaining enough challenges to make it interesting?

That's my 2 cents worth.



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User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 15072 times:



Quoting Tayser (Reply 15):
A country in pursuit of the vanishing tourist

No surprise really. The Aussie $ is pretty strong, the flights are long and prices are going up. The media is also partly to blame..with their over-exaggerated portrayal of the drought, food prices etc.



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User currently offlineNG1Fan From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 15002 times:

Not to mention the undignified manner Customs/AQIS treats incoming visitors like bio-criminals. Overzealous is the word I'd use. And most international arrivals had a 10-hour plus journey behind them. On my last arrival, I was asked the same questions no less than four times by four different officials. I must admit they were courteous.

A friend of the family, upon landing in Brisbane (she's 75), was asked twice in the same conversation about which hotel she was staying in. When she answered the second time "I just told you where I was staying", she was bruskly asked to 'just answer the question'. Not a welcome I'd be comfortable with as a foreign visitor.

And then there are the endless lines during peak times in SYD for Customs/Quarantine. Becoming like the USA? God, I hope not, but it is heading in that direction.

NG1Fan


25 CupraIbiza : I have arrived back from many a trip usually at 430-530am at MEL. Each time the Customs officers have been cheery and welcoming. The wait has been mi
26 VH-BZF : From Thread 14: Yes Melbourne will become the only Australian airport, later this year with CAT III auto land capability - Runway 16 is in the process
27 Supercilious : They might have trouble litigating against the ABC for TodayTonight, since it is broadcast on Seven.
28 Qantas787 : You have got that right NG1Fan, I have even been threatened to have my name put on the troublesome list ( whatever that is) because I dared to questi
29 ANstar : eh? I never mentioned anything about those trashy journo shows? anyone have more news on the QF route cuts??? Supposed to be an announcement WITHIN a
30 Sparklehorse12 : ANstar - I am only armchairing here and I am the first one to go on record and say I do not have the modelling QF carried out on the 777 and the A340
31 Jokestar : Hear Hear! So are they putting the domestic business class in that they currently have on the 767s and 737s?
32 Allrite : Hey, but it makes good television according to Channel 7! There is a reason you were asked the same question four times. They were testing you to see
33 FlashFlyGuy : But, they wont watch it anyway...they totally ignore and don't watch the quarantine video that is played prior to landing now. They think by doing th
34 Allrite : Probably a connection there... probably average Aussies who watch Today Tonight! It's doubtful that a show which regularly contradicts itself (even o
35 Jbernie : It is also a whole lot easier to declare everything and then they ignore you anyway No doubt if you have been in Bali or Thailand etc for a week or t
36 ClassicLover : Totally agree with you!
37 Post contains links Boof : Spotted on news.com.au this morning QF's first A380 has been painted completely in the revised scheme and looks pretty impressive from the shot shown
38 Post contains images ANstar : Yup - looks good!
39 Jbernie : Looks good to me, though the photo they used kinda makes it look small.. maybe just short.. that or it is the first time I have seen it from this ang
40 LOUMEL : Cupralbiza....It's a small market in oz, so rather that 'leaking the modelling' I'll just cautiously confine my comments to what has already been disc
41 Post contains links Flyboysp : Passengers could pay EU penalties flying in Aussie airspace TRAVELLERS heading to Europe could end up paying EU carbon penalties while still in Austra
42 DJ748 : As of May 22, CZ's service to MEL was with an A330. Saw it when the plane landed there on the Thursday morning for a 10.35 arrival. It was good to se
43 Post contains links Zkpilot : MEL to install CATIII ILS by the end of the year... heres the thread any discussion in here: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/re
44 Jbernie : Can they just change the flights so they are all SYD-SIN and a new flight SIN-LHR? QF & SQ could agree on this so it is in their best interest.
45 Allrite :
46 Post contains links Allrite : Capacity cuts discussed in QF Slashes International Capacity[Edited 2008-06-05 14:59:38]
47 Post contains links QANTAS077 : Perth Airport is smashing passenger number records. http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,23820535-948,00.html
48 Allrite : On the subject of airports... Give the man some Macquarie shares (oh, wait, they are earning only quite obscene profits right now, better be soft on t
49 TruemanQLD : WOW! I thought it would look ugly but that looks incredible! Its almost worth paying for, just to see it! Cant wait for it to visit BNE. In the GC Bu
50 REALDEAL : what's happening with V Australia ? There was mention in the last thread of the 777's ending up in QF colours. Seems too quiet for an Airline that's s
51 Jbernie : I would be assuming that they would need 3x777 to be ready to launch? One going over, one coming back and one for tech issues? Have any of the 777s c
52 Post contains links Travelhound : Has anyone heard anything about the new Gold Coast airport lately? Last information I had was that two of the consortium's vying to build the project
53 TruemanQLD : Why does the Gold Coast need a new airport? I was down there this morning and we saw 1 GA and a few DJ and JQ. It wasnt busy at all. Is this what you
54 Travelhound : Sorry, Should have explained myself a little better. The new Gold Coast airport really doesn't have much to do with the old Gold Coast airport other t
55 TruemanQLD : Well.... I still dont see why. GC airport could handle a lot more flights than they do, although the idea sounds good I would never see it working
56 REALDEAL : Why doesn't the A380 appear in schedules on Amadeus at least for end of year? (for SYD, MEL & BNE/lax) Do QF have so little faith in Airbus being abl
57 Post contains links HKGKaiTak : Your new OOL proposal sounds like this thread I came across on another discussion board recently: http://www.busaustralia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3
58 REALDEAL : so you're saying some r not @ 100% ??? but others obviously r.
59 LeonJunior : everyone should check this out. Malaysia airlines is offering Every Day Low Fares campaign. The fares from Brisbane and Perth to Kuala Lumpur one way
60 Aussie747 : I would have a word to your Virgin Rep. We were given instructions on how to sell and ticket with the GDS effective last week. Funny isn't it. Qantas
61 TruemanQLD : WOW, they must be losing money on those routes badly! Nah it seems stupid to me, but anyway
62 Post contains links Redcenterflyer : Here is a link to an article about a new "airline" servicing Alice Springs and the local mining industry. Always good to see new aircraft and competit
63 LeonJunior : Nope they aren't losing money. These are their new strategies to survive, that's what they said.
64 Sparklehorse12 : I would put my money on the CEO of MH realising they need to modernise thier offering and cost structure to compete effectively with AK. The most rec
65 ETA Unknown : "Hopefully we'll see more China to Brisbane service with MU's recen't twice a week charter services." Doubt you'll see it- the China Eastern charters
66 ANstar : apparently they are due to release schedules at the end of this week.
67 ANstar : I seriously doubt you will see any 777 inb Qantas colours. I would expect more info to be released (ie product) AFTER QF have released their A380 inf
68 REALDEAL : a 1 route airline ? Apart from Sydney pax, noone wants to fly anywhere via bloody awful time consuming SYD airport.
69 Sparklehorse12 : Flying via SYD is a pain in the neck when you live in other capitals. Fortunately SQ, MH, CX, EK and EY are availible as an alternative to the Sydney
70 ANstar : I didnt say they would be a 1 route airline - merely that they may delay some deliveries and bed down their first route before launching more.... who
71 Post contains links Jbernie : From today's Sydney Morning Herald: http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...rain/2008/06/10/1212863646286.html New airport, fast train to rescue NSW to
72 ClassicLover : Why not? It makes sense... Though, as the article says, the RAAF would have problems operating from the same airport.
73 ANstar : Just saw on another thread I guess this is great news for the current VS200/201 SYD flights. They should now be able to carry some more through traffi
74 Post contains links ANstar : Tiger Airways cuts Newcastle flights http://www.etravelblackboard.com/showarticle.asp?id=78627&nav=2 I guess NTL is not going tobe their 2nd hub! Inte
75 Tayser : Would be even better if the new HKG service continued onto MEL. MEL-HKG is 100% OneWorld territory with the mooted second (eventual) daily on QF.
76 Alangirvan : People from Country NSW and ACT have to connect through SYD. If domestic carriers gave the same cost for a connection between CBR and MEL as for a co
77 ANstar : They wont extend it anywhere.... they need the capacity for their LHR-HKG services.
78 Alangirvan : People keep reminding us that although Virgin Atlantic and (V Australia, Virgin Blue and Pacific Blue) all have similar names, they are separate comp
79 ANstar : I agree - That is why I think we will see VA take over VS SYD-HKG before we see any VA services from MEL or BNE ot HKG.
80 TruemanQLD : Any news on DJ cuts? Heard on the radio that alot of OOL flights wil be cut.... hoping not though!
81 Thegeek : Yes. A same plane service is always going to be better than a service which makes you change planes. I can't understand why there isn't a code share
82 QFBA : Can anyone shed light on why the Schedules for 29 Mar onwards on DJ have a huge number of services to Regional QLD? The flight numbres also change. Wi
83 ANstar : Looks like QF are slowly getting ready for the A380 in the GDS. R class is now showing on most flights currently OPS by 3/4 class 747's. Availability
84 Post contains links QF175 : Starting 28OCT08, Air Calin will commence a third weekly BNE-NOU service on Tuesdays utilising A320 equipment. Timings of the new service is as follow
85 REALDEAL : what aircraft would Ozjet use to NOU & Nauru ... the long awaited 733's ???
86 Gemuser : Why? Why not a second SYD or MEL? Gemuser
87 TruemanQLD : From my very little knowledge of this, I would say thegeek is right, especially to BNE as that is the home of DJ. MEL could happen but there and SYD
88 Thegeek : I've heard that revenue is weak on the SYD-HKG leg. Why start a second? Why not MEL? Well, it's more likely than SYD, but how many would fly via HKG
89 VH-BZF : BA to depart Australia permanently? Have heard that on the BA communal cabin crew (rumour) website, the strong word is that British Airways are planni
90 ANstar : This has been rumoured by BA staff for at least the last 5 years. I'm not convinced it will go. they may swap the 744 service to a 777 to reduce cost
91 VH-BZF : Hey ANstar, do you think this would work for them? NG/OS couldn't make it work - I know it was a different set of circumstances - London vs. Vienna /
92 Jbernie : Well, there would be potential for QF to replace all flights to LHR with A380s so the extra capacity could used with BA ticket holders. Then they cou
93 Thegeek : That's a crazy idea. Who in their right mind would want to fly this route around the long way? People wanting a stop over in LAX don't care so much a
94 ANstar : I think it could work. They have no trouble filling the planes and I remember reading one of the BA ops people posting that it had become much more p
95 Post contains links ANstar : Tiger in Trouble? http://business.smh.com.au/tiger-tri...-flex-its-wings-20080612-2pnt.html
96 Jbernie : Don't think of it as an option for flying this route with just the basic stop at LAX. Think QF offering a LHR-LAX service and also doing it for BA as
97 GarethW : I'm not surprised, goes right along with the theory that the LCCs are getting hurt worst in the current climate. Much to REALDEAL's despair obviously
98 6thfreedom : Weren't announcements due to be made this week?? anything likely to be announced today?
99 ANstar : No - that was media speculation. All Virgin have said is that they are currently in the middle of a strategic review. The media has been saying thing
100 SYDAircargo : where ever you put a 2nd airport out west or southwest it will be a fair bit away from the city and would need new infrastructure to connect with Syd
101 6thfreedom : I think sooner rather than later...
102 CupraIbiza : I cant believe how much its fallen considering over 90% of the shares are held by Toll, SRB and mangement. Imagine the bloodbath if is was a liquid s
103 REALDEAL : Rules can & will have to change very quickly. Tiger is looking at Malaysia no that no Australian carrier flies there. QF long term is stuffed-costs a
104 Alangirvan : I was in a car that did the drive to Wyong, which is half the distance from North Sydney that Newcastle is. I think there are some problems with Wyon
105 ANstar : Read the last QUOTE I added in my post. Whilst they may get more market share, there will always be a market for full service airlines on long haul.
106 Post contains links 6thfreedom : Virgin Blue cuts just announced: http://news.theage.com.au/business/v...e-capacity-cuts-20080613-2q1y.html 1 pw sydney-proserpine and 3pw melbourne-da
107 GarethW : Well you picked that one... Hardly life-changing cuts compared with what I was expecting.
108 Post contains links ANstar : some more info http://business.smh.com.au/virgin-cu...tes-hikes-fares-20080613-2q1k.html The one flight weekly SYD-PPP will go as will 3 x MELDRW ser
109 Thegeek : That, I'm afraid is a load of crap. QF mainline's costs are now being forecast to drop below DJ within two years I believe. That would be due superio
110 ANstar : They have been returning some leased 737's recently as their bought ones arrived so they definately have some leases shorter than 10 years. Though in
111 Sparklehorse12 : QF executive level are paid very well but I can assure you that middle management are underpaid compared to other industry sectors. Any formal qualif
112 Jbernie : 100% agree, not many people like the current setup by way of flight paths etc, but at least you know where it is, and not have to worry about your pr
113 REALDEAL : yes but not enough market in a recession. disagree completely QF & DJ will keep shrinking. Many more QF services will become JQ or axed altogether, p
114 Sparklehorse12 : The state government need to work out the fare structures for the airport link between City and SYD - it is a joke! I suspect there are some in the t
115 ANstar : a lot of QF's growth will be with Jetstar and despite the announcement by Virgin, they will still be growing given that they have EMB's on order as w
116 HKGKaiTak : I thought the cuts would go deeper than this. Perhaps it's just Round 1 - seeing what the political fallout is and decide what to cut next. I have a
117 Thegeek : That may be, but even two people coming from the city would have rocks in their head to take a cab. On Tuesday I was dropped off for a 7:05am flight
118 HKGKaiTak : I especially love the Airtrain's ads in the Virgin terminal in SYD. However from a marketing perspective, I wonder how many people actually recognise
119 Smi0006 : Hey guys just an interesting note, noticed two days in a row at work out at MEL that VS code appeared on SQ flight out at night, are they appearing on
120 LOUMEL : I think the real swing factor is cab card vouchers, it seems to me most of my colleagues would rather hand a taxi voucher to the office manager rathe
121 Singapore_Air : There seems to have been an increase in VS codeshares in the past few days. I think I noticed it at the beginning of the week on PER services. Don't
122 ANstar : I believe it has been in place for quite a while (even before VS flew to SYD with their own metal)
123 Post contains links SInGAPORE_AIR : It's in a separate topic but http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4026442/ reply 5 may interest some of you.
124 TruemanQLD : BA cutting Oz has been going to happen for ages - it will just mean a boost in QF flights. Maybe when BA receives there 787's we will see SYD and MEL
125 ANstar : Not well - they only operated twice I think and then pulled the route.
126 Jupiter2 : The Moscow flights with Transaero were only a limited number of charters anyway, hopefully they will be back for the summer. RL
127 Post contains links NZA320 : Just got an Email from Qantas Link to interactive walk-through on Qantas website: http://www.qantas.com.au/info/flying/A380/index
128 REALDEAL : only once a week from MEL from 20OCT & once a week from SYD from 24 OCT. Wonder how it gets from MEL to SYD & back? Guess they'll be selling domestic
129 Jbernie : They fly it (couldn't resist)
130 Thegeek : Notice how there is no flight yet loaded for 22OCT? Surely they don't plan to keep it on the ground. I'd say they might fly it MEL-LAX-SYD. Domestic
131 Boof : I've read somewhere and I thought it was here that the routing for the first A380 will be MEL-LAX-SYD-LAX-MEL and the second would do SYD-LAX-MEL-LAX
132 Post contains links VHVXB : Virgin to launch Airpass internationally Virgin Blue is set to launch a new Airpass for international visitors to Australia, sold overseas the Airpass
133 Jbernie : and it is a very simple way to do it as well, there is no need for them to fly A380s on domestic.
134 ANstar : Another sign they are moving closer to an alligned carrier I guess.
135 Boof : Perhaps it's little wonder Virgin are in no man's land with their products at the moment... Wouldn't Quick Fly, Metro, Coastal & Cross Country be Fou
136 Post contains links ANstar : Qantaslinks turn now http://newsstore.fairfax.com.au/apps...an%26section%3Dsummary%26submit%3D
137 Post contains links REALDEAL : just looked at www.ski.com.au & found SYD/LAX or MEL/LAX return flying the A380 for only $1549 & they give u $100 travel insurance. Emailed they & the
138 Alangirvan : Looks like Qantaslink are using fuel as an excuse to drop some underperforming routes.
139 Jupiter2 : However isn't that just sound business practice ? They are not a charity afterall. RL
140 ANstar : I presume it will also help with their pilot shortage
141 Jbernie : Hey guys, had a thought regarding QF and the A380s flying to LAX. Has there been any talk regarding whether QF will do A380 maintenance there like the
142 CupraIbiza : Totally sound business practice. I dont subscribe to the belief that a route should be maintained to stengthen the route network etc etc. If it doesn
143 REALDEAL : PRICEWAR BETWEEN AGENTS ? just got an email from save@skiusaforless.com to say ... special for 31 Dec departure (apparently most people want to depart
144 6thfreedom : why wouldn't you depart 31 dec, arrive LAX 31 dec and spend NYE is the USA??
145 ANstar : + taxes and you have about $1899 - so not as cheap as you make out - please post inclusive prices as that is how QF and VA both advertise their fares
146 Allrite : I note that QantasLink will cut its Wollongong-Melbourne flights from July 18. Has anyone here ever flown on this route? Couldn't find any trip report
147 REALDEAL : cheap as chips for peak season !!!
148 Smi0006 : I think that was the first flight I ever worked on, I did that duty a couple of times ( was a long day start at 4:45am finished bout twoish i think a
149 Airnewzealand : Actually they are ALOT lower than European carriers, and believe it or not, some asian airlines...think Japan... I posted this in another thread...bu
150 Jbernie : Sounds good and thanks for the update, would love to get on one of the A380 flights but I think I will have to wait till we move to SYD in late 2010.
151 ClassicLover : Hooray! That's excellent news! I had the grey tray when I flew them last and thought it was unbelievably awful Looks like I wasn't alone in that thou
152 VHVXB : With annocement of its new base at Perth here are JQs schedules to CGK, DPS and in addition the adjustment of the SYD-SGN route JQ116 PER1105 - 1345DP
153 ANstar : Actually 2-3-2 in J is not that great - who wants to pay that much and be in the middle seat! The A380 has a nice 2-2-2 config to get around that as
154 Alangirvan : Two hours seems like a long through stop at DRW. Does it take AQIS that long to process a planeload of passengers? I see on JQ schedules that a trans
155 Jupiter2 : I understand that the $30 is for 3 meals plus drinks, so it is a reasonable price I suppose. The 2 hours in DRW does seem excessive, if the flying on
156 Alangirvan : A quick look at the JQ booking engine again - the drop down menu does not show DRW as available from SYD as a domestic destination. So, this is a one
157 6thfreedom : I just had a look as well, and SYD/DRW domestic is available to local traffic in both directions. The SYD-SGN service shows domestic departure/arriva
158 Tayser : I did MEL-DRW-SIN-DRW-MEL a few weeks ago - 2 hours is ok coming back in from Singapore - Tiger makes you check in once again for the domestic leg, yo
159 6thfreedom : Isn't online check in available ex-SIN? would be much easier, so all you need is bag drop. Would be interesting to review overall travel times... I w
160 6thfreedom : from great circle: 2 segment path: 4685 mi MEL SYD 439 mi SYD SGN 4246 mi 2 segment path: 4247 mi MEL DRW 1941 mi DRW SGN 2306 m so, assuming a travel
161 Tayser : No online check-in or bag drop at all - Sing's budget terminal is budget! JQ may have the same code MEL-DRW-SIN but do they check bags all the way thr
162 NZA320 : Hey has anyone been to the Australian International Airshow at Avalon, i'm thinking about hopping over the ditch in March next year but have a few que
163 Post contains links QF175 : In light of recent announcements, it seems MEL is being affected the most by route cuts.. DRW, NTL (x2), WOL, AYQ, NRT " target=_blank>http://www.icn
164 Post contains links WithaK : Gippsland Aeronautics has bought the type certificate for the Nomad of Boeing Australia and will have new frames flying in 2010 http://www.theage.com.
165 Post contains links VHVXB : It will increase to 4 weekly after the New Year like the "delivery date" idea, looks good. More Stirkes Qantas aircraft engineers will launch a serie
166 Singapore_Air : If I recall correctly, this has happenned very recently where the union has proposed a strike of some sort (or industrial action) and then backed off
167 Redcenterflyer : Quoting . Never been to Darwin, but understand it's small terminal with international and domestic in same building. Perhaps better than terminal tran
168 QF762 : Well It looks like Qantas has finally begun to achieve the "Widebody Only" MEL/PER service. For the week 7-13 July there are only 4 scheduled B738 ser
169 6thfreedom : Looks like you can now book SIN-DRW/DRW-SYD on the Jetstar website. return trip to Sydney from Singapore S$798 incl taxes! 2.5 hour transit on the wa
170 Post contains links REALDEAL : http://www.travelweekly.com.au/dirpl...ekly/TravelTodayPDF/19_06_2008.pdf PAGE 3 Mystery carrier to launch flights An as-yet-unnamed Australian airlin
171 DJ738 : This is sensational news, I've always been a fan of the Nomad! Can't wait to see the new models take flight...
172 Post contains links WithaK : VivaJet is the name of this new airline. They have some timetables on their site as well. Other than that there isn't too much more to add that hasn't
173 Tayser : Fly it then come back and tell us how it went I certainly won't be doing it ever again.
174 Post contains links Macilree : This article by Geoffrey Thomas in the Australian on 20 June 2008 about the implication of the mandate being granted for the forthcoming negotiations
175 Post contains links Allrite : It's Friday night and time to relax, so for those Australian aviation enthusiasts who have not participated in the VivaJet thread I thought I might sh
176 Mendaero : Yes that did happen, however talks failed, the engineers have since had two days, where 4 hour stop works were carried out. More talks happened, howe
177 Jbernie : Short but interesting read, it will be very interesting to see where QF heads with European services once the 787-9 is in use. Will they see a drop i
178 Onedude : Bloody fantastic I can't stop laughing! Thanks for the post. Cheers, onedude
179 777ER : QF A380s to LHR QF031 SYD1750 - 2230SIN2359 - 0620+1LHR 380 256 QF032 LHR1115 - 0750+1SIN0905+1 - 1935+1SYD 380 367
180 Flyboysp : When is this schedule effective?
181 ANstar : 16JAN08
182 777ER : Yes January 16.
183 6thfreedom : All pretty quiet here in the Australian thread? With all the changes announced by the Qantas Group and Virgin Blue over the last few weeks, what other
184 Flyboysp : In the not too distant future i think QF will finally decide what to do with the remaining long haul 763 routes such as SYD-CGK, SYD-MNL and SYD-HNL.
185 REALDEAL : wow, cheapest yet, competition must be fierce. Just got another email from save@skiusaforless.com saying 100 seats ONLY flying from SYD or MEL on QF A
186 Post contains links ANstar : QF seem to have emailed some people with info on Anytime rewards. Certainly seems like a rip off over 500,000 to fly SYD-SIN in business.... the Co Pa
187 BNE : Looks like Qantas anytime awards for frequent flyer seats is in the works. syd-lhr return, paying taxes etc in points, anytime seat - minimum 294,367
188 REALDEAL : saying currently is not correct. Currently, you can't get seats at all on many days.
189 Jbernie : Would seem to be fair to offer FF seats anytime for extra points, still keep the current level of restricted seats though. Might encourage people to b
190 Onedude : This is NOT cheap. $1200 plus taxes of almost $400, plus $300 in travel insurance? A $1900 fare? Do you know how much commission agents make on trave
191 Post contains links Flyboysp : I found this out through flyertalk and checked the Qantas site to confirm, but it seems that the fate of SYD-MNL and SYD-CGK services has been decided
192 Post contains links Allrite : Interesting! According to the above link, for the Melbourne - Auckland route: Yet, according to the Qantas media release on 28 May 2008 Qantas were:
193 Flyboysp : That is due to the fact that QF25 is MEL-AKL-LAX. I'd think that it is a typo, otherwise the staff at QF better start talking to each other to sort i
194 ANstar : Interesting - looks like HNL's fate has been sealed and it may go all Jetstar!
195 6thfreedom : Could we perhaps see MNL go to JQ via Darwin and CGK go via PER sometime in the future? I would think QF would stay on MNL because they have a full s
196 Alangirvan : CGK used to be a one stop SYD-DPS-CGK, in the distant past, when QF had nothing but 747s in the fleet. Could happen again with JQ A330s or 787s. MNL m
197 Flyboysp : While that is a possibilty, perhaps QF are still decidingt he fate of HNL. Considering SYD-HNL is a mix of both QF and JQ, the final decision just mi
198 REALDEAL : Actually it's incredibly cheap for peak season. Think you must be looking at low season. Just had a quick look at Concorde website (agents bible for
199 Allrite : The issue might be the lack of Jetstar A332's, which is supposedly why the KUL route was dropped. Same with HNL.
200 ZK-NBT : QF will free up several A333s later in the year when they reduce NRT flying and they also recieve a forth long haul 332 in December so they should hav
201 ANstar : The 2 x A380's arriving to OPS the LAX services will only free up 1 x 744 due to the low utilisation of the A380 fleet initially. This free 747 will
202 ZK-NBT : Yes, by the end of 2009 they should free up a 744 or 2, they plan to increase JNB 6x weekly this year and daily by end of 09. I guess maybe a second
203 Airnewzealand : It is true, The 747-300 will be here next year, crew have been informed of this decision... Cheers
204 ANstar : Really? That is in contradiction to the release they made to the ASX earlier this month..... that said they would be gone by the end of this year? Wh
205 Flyboysp : How many frames will remain in service for next year?Will this cover planned maintenance/ cabin reconfiguration of a 744?
206 Zkpilot : I have just heard today that they will almost definantly be gone by the end of the year and that this may now even be accellerated 2 months to Octobe
207 Thegeek : Wouldn't there be a distinct lack of logic to that? Presumably some of the Pacific configured 3 class non-ER birds will become 2 class either for dom
208 6thfreedom : Shaping up to be an interesting week next week... Further QF industrial action, more talks on Monday, more delays over the weekend... Also suspect fur
209 Post contains links Flyboysp : Tiger Airways cuts flights TIGER Airways has reduced its services between Melbourne and Darwin by three flights per week. A statement issued by the lo
210 TruemanQLD : Haha seriosuly everyone knows already what fuel is doing to the airline industry, why make up a fake excuse like that?
211 Alangirvan : It is fair to say that travel to Darwin goes into low season during the summer, because a lot southerners cannot cope with the heat, so there would b
212 6thfreedom : Understand that Jetstar reduces capacity from daily to 3pw in the Nov-March period, so this is nothing new. agree.
213 Post contains links LOUMEL : Just in today's Age... perhaps a prelude to daily QF flights to Jo'burg from Sydney, and maybe a return of South African to Sydney. Australia has sign
214 ZK-NBT : I believe QF were/are planning to go 6x weekly to JNB end of 2008 and daily by the end of 2009. They codeshare with SAA who operate PER-JNB 5x weekly
215 Alangirvan : If Qantas is able to go up to 10 per week, would QF be interested in CPT as a non stop destination from PER or SYD?
216 QantasA333 : Once again Adelaide is forgotten! Does everyone think Adelaide doesn't exist? Sure seems like it!
217 VH-KCT* : I would have thought that ADE would be considered a regional airport, and therefore can be serviced by as many flights as the airlines want. As it is
218 Post contains links VHVXB : Number 16 here http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...ms/general_aviation/index.main?p=1
219 QANTAS077 : ummm..your under 1hr flying time from Melbourne, that's the trade-off. now a mix of 343 & 342.[Edited 2008-06-28 20:57:51]
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