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Italy's Air One To Order Airbus Long Haul Aircraft  
User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 8473 times:

..in a statement announced for wednesday,Italy's Air One will announce a long-haul aircraft order with Airbus.
It is currently unknown how many and what types,but chances are that the A330 models will get some more boost..

http://www.finanznachrichten.de/nach...chten-2008-06/artikel-10966968.asp


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User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4395 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 8437 times:

This is the signal for the last attack on Alitalia - I expected them to get the Swiss A332 when Swiss gets the 333.

User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1680 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 8305 times:



Quoting Burkhard (Reply 1):
This is the signal for the last attack on Alitalia - I expected them to get the Swiss A332 when Swiss gets the 333.

Exactly my thoughts!



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User currently offlineMacc From Austria, joined Nov 2004, 1037 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7746 times:

in the same article its mentioned that AirOne will start operating A332 to BOS and ORD this month. Its not known if the A332 will be bought or leased.

Didnt know before that they start to go long haul so soon. I guess they will operate out of MXP. Are there any 332 on the market to buy??



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User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4395 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7718 times:

Depends who asks for them. If it is the mother of Air Dolomiti, they may have some somewhere with a good friend who is happy to reduce capacity...

User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7632 times:



Quoting Macc (Reply 3):
in the same article its mentioned that AirOne will start operating A332 to BOS and ORD this month. Its not known if the A332 will be bought or leased.

Didnt know before that they start to go long haul so soon. I guess they will operate out of MXP. Are there any 332 on the market to buy??

I believe these are ex-Etihad aircraft. I saw one painted in full Air One colours in AUH in early April, with another due to have the same treatment after that. I'm not sure how many they are ultimately getting from this source.These are ones that had been leased by Etihad and reached the end of their agreement - possibly TAM before that?



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User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7633 times:

I would be surprised if they bought anything other than airbus. That said, maybe they will aquire AZ and put that mess to rest while picking up the beginnings of a major international routing.

Dave



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32702 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7540 times:



Quoting Macc (Reply 3):

Didnt know before that they start to go long haul so soon. I guess they will operate out of MXP. Are there any 332 on the market to buy??

They have two A330s and, I think they have two more coming by the end of the year.

Boston and Chicago start this summer; New York, Miami, and Washington are being looked at to start in the winter (obviously they probably won't start all three in the winter - rather, just one or two).



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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4769 posts, RR: 43
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7540 times:

the 2 A 332s leased to Air One are from ILFC and they are ex Etihad/TAM jets.

I would expect AP to order a bunch load of A 332s as that is the ideal plane to meet its long haul ambitions as it can fly MXP-China/Japan/HKG/LAX nonstop which the A 333 cannot do.

The A 333 is only best suited for future MXP-NYC bound flights from a capacity standpoint.


User currently offlineGlobeEx From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 742 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7501 times:



Quoting Behramjee (Reply 8):
I would expect AP to order a bunch load of A 332s as that is the ideal plane to meet its long haul ambitions as it can fly MXP-China/Japan/HKG/LAX nonstop which the A 333 cannot do.

I think the A332 is the better choice anyway. Not because of range or economics, but simply due to its size. They are just starting l/h and a smaller airplane means less risk. Having established themself at MXP as a l/h carrier they can still get some A333 if they want to.

GlobeEx



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User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2699 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7461 times:

Would be nice to see more of them:


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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4769 posts, RR: 43
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7375 times:

This is what Air One should order:

1 A 332 for daily MXP-BOS
1 A 332 for daily MXP-ORD
2 A 332s for double daily MXP-EWR
1 A 332 for daily MXP-YYZ

1 A 332 for 3 weekly MXP-PEK
1 A 332 for 3 weekly MXP-PVG

If AZ can transfer their NRT slots to AP, then 2 A 332s more for 5-6 weekly MXP-NRT.


User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7346 times:

I hope Air One goes it alone and continues to build a network. Alitalia, its militant employees and bad management need to go away. I'd hate to see Air One saddled with that mess. Good that Air One is partnered with United and Lufthansa. Hopefully it will join Star Alliance.

User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7335 times:



Quoting Behramjee (Reply 11):
This is what Air One should order:

1 A 332 for daily MXP-BOS
1 A 332 for daily MXP-ORD
2 A 332s for double daily MXP-EWR
1 A 332 for daily MXP-YYZ

1 A 332 for 3 weekly MXP-PEK
1 A 332 for 3 weekly MXP-PVG

If AZ can transfer their NRT slots to AP, then 2 A 332s more for 5-6 weekly MXP-NRT.

What about a flight to GRU or EZE?


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9771 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 7161 times:

Air One really must do something with their current simple livery. If they would only rework and enlarge the bird in the tail logo that would make them more noticable. An oversized bird on the tail logo would be nice in my opinion.

A388


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 7059 times:

Here the Air One A330s.


http://www.aerotransport.org/php/go....+Fleets%3A+Air+One&qstring=Air+One



In the article Air One speaks about "a strategic agreement on the long term between AP and Airbus " about this long haul order.

If really AP would like to build a solid long haul network (and it seems they want) , i see not only A332s for them , but also A350XWBs.I do not want to speak about A380s in the future.


User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4976 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6856 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 11):

Never ceases to amaze the kind of pipe dreams some airlines are living in.

1.) How does Air One, intend to suceed at Malpensa? Alitalia could not even get the local market to fly them, with a much better product, what makes Carlo Toto think that he will suceed?

Let's see how well Air One does on Chicago and Boston, which, are smallish local markets. Even if Air One has an agreement with United, there is still little feed potential beyond MXP or beyond ORD/BOS

2.) Who is to say Air One doesnt plan on expand long-haul from FCO?

With fuel at $130USD, is it really the time for Toto to go out on a limb?

[Edited 2008-06-03 11:14:00]

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7571 posts, RR: 43
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6550 times:



Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 12):
Hopefully it will join Star Alliance.

AP does not yet have a premium cabin service, do they?



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32702 posts, RR: 72
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6483 times:



Quoting Behramjee (Reply 11):
This is what Air One should order:

1 A 332 for daily MXP-BOS
1 A 332 for daily MXP-ORD
2 A 332s for double daily MXP-EWR
1 A 332 for daily MXP-YYZ

1 A 332 for 3 weekly MXP-PEK
1 A 332 for 3 weekly MXP-PVG

And ignore the next three largest MXP long-haul O&D markets after New York, Sao Paulo, Miami, and Buenos Aires? Air One is going to struggle hard in Chicago and Boston. At least with markets like Miami and Buenos Aires they would still struggle - but be able to fill planes thanks to large local markets.

Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 16):
1.) How does Air One, intend to suceed at Malpensa? Alitalia could not even get the local market to fly them, with a much better product, what makes Carlo Toto think that he will suceed?

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Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 16):

2.) Who is to say Air One doesnt plan on expand long-haul from FCO?

They've pretty much said it through their actions and hasty planing.



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User currently offlineCaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6457 times:



Quoting A388 (Reply 14):
Air One really must do something with their current simple livery. If they would only rework and enlarge the bird in the tail logo that would make them more noticable. An oversized bird on the tail logo would be nice in my opinion.

A388 you want them to pull at CAL with the large hummingbird lol.

Quoting FCKC (Reply 15):
If really AP would like to build a solid long haul network (and it seems they want) , i see not only A332s for them , but also A350XWBs.I do not want to speak about A380s in the future.

Well for the time being I do not believe A380 are the way to go, its an expensive a/c and if you can't get it filled you will have problems. What AP has to do right now is to build a reputation of a good long haul product, one that is much better than AZ, to the levels of BA, VS, AF and such, and things can work out for them. Then keep your focus on your core market and hubs in Italy, MXP and FCO.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6426 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):
Air One is going to struggle hard in Chicago and Boston.

They will certainly pull out within a year.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):
They've pretty much said it through their actions and hasty planing.

One would think they would aim for MIA or EZE in order to fill up the back of the plane.


User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4976 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6332 times:

Based on feedback, Alitalia is having a tough time getting people on their MXPJFK and MXPGRUNRT flights now that the hub is completely scaled down.

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9771 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6324 times:



Quoting Caribbean484 (Reply 19):
A388 you want them to pull at CAL with the large hummingbird lol.

Oh no, I was thinking in the direction of NW with their oversized logo on the tail which seems to become the new trend nowadays. They must use the same bird (is it a crane?) to go with the tail, but much larger and a bit more stylized too.

A388 Big grin


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32702 posts, RR: 72
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6179 times:



Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 21):
Based on feedback, Alitalia is having a tough time getting people on their MXPJFK and MXPGRUNRT flights now that the hub is completely scaled down.

Yes, they are, and the 772 on JFKNRT becomes a 763 next week.

However, they are having a tough time getting people on any long-haul flights. All long-haul flights, Rome and Milan, saw at least double digit declines in passenger loads except for Miami and Tehran in April, the first full month of the switch.



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User currently offlineComeAndGo From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1041 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5894 times:

no body is flying AZ. Everybody thinks they'll be dead next month. AZ is not a good indicator. Are you sure the A332 can fly all the way to EZE ? I don't think they can do LAX with an A332 and that's a 13 hr flight from MXP, EZE is 14 hrs.

25 Gorgos : As far as I can remember I did that trip MXP-EZE on a B777. Iberia uses the A340-600 from madrid to EZE.
26 WINGS : Does anyone believe that the A340-300 has a chance at being selected? In terms of performance its close to the 77E and would provide Air One with the
27 SCL767 : No, the A-332 can not fly MXP-EZE nonstop. Some options maybe MXP-GIG-EZE, or even MXP-LPA-EZE.
28 Janmnastami : And why did AZ fail to acquire the market of North-Italy? What is the "much better product"? On the short-haul, their MD80? On the long-haul, their B
29 Post contains links Scbriml : The order for 12 x A332 and 12 x A358 has now been confirmed. Being discussed here: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4
30 Beaucaire : I'm still somewhat awaiting some hints as to the cooperation between LH and Air One.. So far there is exclusively code-share on some flights-full stop
31 Okapi : Sorry mate, but I don't agree with you. The livery recalls that of LH and enjoys a very strong brand awareness in Italy. They just need more marketin
32 KennyK : Great order another plus for Airbus and there was I thinking it was going to be another 787 order with Boeing throwing in a few A330s due to delays
33 Chiad : According to Airbus this latest contract brings the total firm orders for the A350 to 374 from 23 customers. Not bad since it's still 5 years before p
34 Post contains links Moo : Its a firm order according to the Airbus press release. http://www.eads.com/1024/en/pressdb/...essdb/20080604_airbus_one_air.html
35 PlunaCRJ : That would be interesting, and would guarantee a full plane. But low yields. I imagine there is a very strong LPA-EZE demand, wonder if Air Comet is
36 SCL767 : Air Comet codeshares with AR on the EZE-MAD route. Also, they fly seasonal charters to Santa Cruz de Tenerife and Las Palmas de Gran Canaria from MAD
37 PlunaCRJ : I believe that as well, at least from deep South America, as I am unsure about Santa Barbara Airlines. I know Air Comet (back when they were Air Plus
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