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AA Started ORD-DME Today (June 2)  
User currently offlineAddd From United States of America, joined May 2007, 397 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4155 times:

The return flight DME-ORD is already on its way back to Chicago... does anyone have information on the loads on the first flights?

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User currently offlineAAJFKSJUBKLYN From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 912 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4094 times:

Pleanty of seats available through July.........But that doesn't speak for profits. Average 1st Class fare $13000, coach at $2100

Loads are light.


User currently offlineAddd From United States of America, joined May 2007, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4036 times:

By the way - how heavily does AA promote the route in Moscow/Russia? Here in Chicago, they advertise pretty heavily with billboards on Kennedy Expressway and key locations throughout the city; there are also ads on national TV, etc.

User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7317 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3998 times:
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AA wanted to advertise this flight with their flagship First class service. I'm thinking if the route is to live long, they'll downgrade the a/c. 767 crews are now required to get a Russian visa.

User currently offlineAddd From United States of America, joined May 2007, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3972 times:



Quoting FXramper (Reply 3):
AA wanted to advertise this flight with their flagship First class service. I'm thinking if the route is to live long, they'll downgrade the a/c. 767 crews are now required to get a Russian visa.

Yes - B777 seems a bit too much for the route - especially in winter. But do AA's B767s even have the First Class cabin?


User currently offlineAAJFKSJUBKLYN From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 912 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3942 times:



Quoting Addd (Reply 4):
Yes - B777 seems a bit too much for the route - especially in winter. But do AA's B767s even have the First Class cabin?

Only the New Business Class.....


User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7317 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3917 times:
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Quoting Addd (Reply 4):
But do AA's B767s even have the First Class cabin?

Yeah, the newly upgraded Business cabins. If AA decides to send the 767 to Moscow it will only deploy the newly configured a/c.


User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6360 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3908 times:

I'm down in Dallas right now working and I was surprised to see local news (more than one station, more than one broadcast) mention the AA ORD-DME flight starting yesterday. Granted, some of them put it right after the story of the DFW-RSW flight with the window that blew off (good timing...), but hey. Still surprised me.

Quoting FXramper (Reply 3):
767 crews are now required to get a Russian visa.

How exactly does that work? I've never heard that...very interesting!


User currently offlineAAJFKSJUBKLYN From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 912 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3884 times:



Quoting FXramper (Reply 6):
If AA decides to send the 767 to Moscow it will only deploy the newly configured a/c.

All the 767's are complete. (That is the 300's). The 200's used on transcon's are supposed to begin their 'EXTREME makeovers' shortly...


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7739 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3864 times:



Quoting Addd (Reply 4):
Yes - B777 seems a bit too much for the route - especially in winter.

The 777 would be WAY too much plane for ORD-DME in the winter. In economy, it seems its too much plane in the summer. However, the front of the plane is expected to do well.

Chicago to Moscow in the winter: From one hell-on-earth to another.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3848 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 9):
The 777 would be WAY too much plane for ORD-DME in the winter.

Agreed, especially since AA's 777's are in high demand for the Winter traffic to South America. The longevity of this route depends on how AA does with premium traffic.


User currently offlineAddd From United States of America, joined May 2007, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3831 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 10):
The longevity of this route depends on how AA does with premium traffic.

.. and, if I might add, on how well they do with cargo and how they market it in Russia to Economy class passengers - they still need to fill that back of the plane somehow...


User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3638 times:

I’m really pleased they chose Domodedovo airport in Moscow.

I’ve just got back yesterday from a trip to Moscow (on LX, not AA) and DME was a million times better than SVO. Plus, it has an express train link to the city centre.



Ryan / HKG
User currently offlineSoxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 868 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3624 times:

From what route did the 777 come, was it from a route that was cut altogether or simply lost a frequency?

EDIT: And were the route to switch to a 767, does AA have one to spare or could switch with the 777 they use currently on the route?

[Edited 2008-06-03 12:55:48]


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User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks ago) and read 3547 times:



Quoting Soxfan (Reply 13):
From what route did the 777 come, was it from a route that was cut altogether or simply lost a frequency

The 777 came from the 6th JFK-LHR flight when the frequency was reduced to just 5 daily. Originally AA planned to put it on JFK-CDG but then changed the plan to put it on the new Moscow run.

Quoting Soxfan (Reply 13):
And were the route to switch to a 767, does AA have one to spare or could switch with the 777 they use currently on the route?

AA has quite a bit of spare 767-300ER capacity right now – the requirement for 767-300ER’s is the lowest it has been in years. In fact there have even been some aircraft parked temporarily because they are surplus to the current schedule requirement. Plus they are going to have more soon available soon with ORD-HNL, JFK-STN and ORD-EZE ending and JFK-SAN going to a 757 in the fall.



Ryan / HKG
User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3456 times:

At today's fuel prices, and this is AA, I give it less than 1 year before this route is gone...

User currently offlineAddd From United States of America, joined May 2007, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3438 times:

Pictures of the first AA arrival taken at DME today, June 3 (from www.aviaforum.ru, a Russian aviation forum):

http://aviaforum.ru/showpost.php?p=321629&postcount=345


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7739 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3397 times:



Quoting AirCop (Reply 15):
At today's fuel prices, and this is AA, I give it less than 1 year before this route is gone...

That might be a bit harsh. I would give it a short period of time before DME becomes 767.



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User currently offlineAA757200 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3396 times:



Quoting AirCop (Reply 15):
At today's fuel prices, and this is AA, I give it less than 1 year before this route is gone

Care to back up your wild a$$ speculation? Seems like they are getting a good premium for the flight right now, there are likely corporate contracts in place (or forthcoming) on both ends, and AA is generally well regarded for their ability to yield manage their international routes. The price of fuel is the only legitimate concern you have articulated, but I suspect it's priced in, given that this is a brand new route.


User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7317 posts, RR: 85
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3347 times:
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Quoting SW733 (Reply 7):

How exactly does that work? I've never heard that...very interesting!

I am just a messenger. Crews also need French visas.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 15):
I give it less than 1 year before this route is gone...



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 17):
I would give it a short period of time before DME becomes 767.



User currently offlineFURUREFA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 806 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3331 times:



Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 14):
FK-SAN going to a 757 in the fall.

I thought this was staying a 763... That's too bad. When does it switch back to a 757?

Matt


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2939 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3221 times:

I think it was discussed in an earlier thread that ORD-DME goes to a 763 for the winter.

User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4952 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3122 times:



Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 14):
Plus they are going to have more soon available soon with ORD-HNL, JFK-STN and ORD-EZE ending and JFK-SAN going to a 757 in the fall.

Well, actually, until at least December, JFK-SAN is showing a 767 still.



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User currently offlineAddd From United States of America, joined May 2007, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3080 times:



Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 21):
think it was discussed in an earlier thread that ORD-DME goes to a 763 for the winter.

It has not been officially announced, has it?


User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3531 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3013 times:



Quoting SW733 (Reply 7):
Quoting FXramper (Reply 3):
767 crews are now required to get a Russian visa.

How exactly does that work? I've never heard that...very interesting!

Not all countries allow U.S. citizens in their borders with just a passport. The Russian Federation, for instance, operates this way.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1006.html

So for AA, if they want to have the most flexibility, gets all of their crews in type (in this case, a 767) a Russian Visa to make sure if one of them is available for a flight and they need him or her, the foreign entry requirement won't hold them back.



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25 FXramper : I just know my uncle has his passport all painted up with visa's recently. Yeah, it was. We were just advising that if the route is to stay around, A
26 AirCop : Sure; the government in Russia is becoming more less tolerant of the western way of business and government which could result in less western invest
27 LAXdude1023 : The truth is that nobody knows how this route is going to preform right now. Its way to early to tell. The only thing I will say is that I think AA c
28 AirCop : The agree with you, but it does seem strange to be starting a route like this right now with the fuel costs, grounding of planes etc.
29 Jacobin777 : I agree, this flight would do well with a B763 6x-7x/weekly during the summer and 3x-5x/weekly during winter.... Chicago has a rather large Russian p
30 SYDAircargo : there might be heaps of wealthy Russian traveling on that route. might be the reason for sending the 777 with First Class product instead of 767
31 NG1Fan : With global warming, the last couple of winters have been milder than normal, with little snow before the NewYear (when normally you'd expect snow fr
32 Addd : Well, yeah - the question is whether there are enough wealthy Russians eager to travel to the US Midwest.... I think, though, that the flight may get
33 FXramper : The airline is gonna pay around $500-700 for hotels. Hope they keep that T7 on the route as long as possible.
34 Jetdeltamsy : there were a few (7 i think) in F, 23 in C and 61 in Y. not too good for an inaguaral flight. but i don't see much demand for ord-dme. i know there's
35 SCL767 : Will be downgraded to a 767 during the winter; however, the flight just started, so bookings may pick up.
36 JFK787NYC : 75% of Americans who travel back and fourth between the United States & Eastern Europe are SkyTeam members, Plus probably 90% of Russia is a SkyTeam m
37 Post contains links Addd : Well, as for American business travelers (and it is them, not the backpackers that AA is after on this route), alliance loyalty is not really an issu
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