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User currently offlineBakersdozen From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 336 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4369 times:

So here is the back story. I've always been a "fan" of *A which I think mainly stems from the fact that I always fly Air Canada international (as it's the only option) and it is my home alliance.

It wasn't until I started trying to book a flight to Lima, Peru that I realized how HORRIBLE *A coverage of South America really is. My only option to go to Peru on *A is to go through Toronto on Air Canada, and the flight only runs every other day. That is no problem and good on them for having that route, but where is the choice?!!? If I wanted to fly on United I'd have to go through Los Angles and then code-share on LAN or another non-star alliance carrier, with 3 stopovers. I started looking through other South American routes and there is very little *A coverage.

I know Varig used to be part of the alliance before they disbanded but is there any other airlines in talk of joining the alliance to serve South America? I assume it is the same with Australia with Quantas.

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User currently offlineHBIHLtoEZE From Switzerland, joined Aug 2004, 281 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4333 times:

Yes, you are right. Star's blank map is South America, unfortunately (since RG's demise).

Since Ansett went under in '01 Australia has somehow a similar problem even though the 5th continent is very well connected by Star carriers (TG,SQ,NZ,UA,etc...)

TAM is to join Star apparently, filling the South American void quite nicely.

cheers



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User currently offlineBakersdozen From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4161 times:

Any idea on the TAM timeline? I assume they have their hub in Rio? That would be interesting

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25653 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4130 times:



Quoting Bakersdozen (Thread starter):
I assume it is the same with Australia with Quantas.

Sorry, couldn't resist.  Smile
http://www.adastron.com/aviation/definitive/no-u/no-u.htm


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8428 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4122 times:
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Avianca is Star's answer fro South America. Looks like TAM is going to STAR too.

User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1060 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4057 times:



Quoting Bakersdozen (Reply 2):
I assume they have their hub in Rio?

JJ's hub it at GRU. GIG and BSB are the secondary ones. No airline has a main hub at GIG. As for *A coverage in Brazil we have:

GRU: CA, AC, SA)">UA, TP, LH, LX and SA
GIG: SA)">UA and TP

GRU is well covered but GIG's *A cover is minimal at best.



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3713 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4009 times:



Quoting AF086 (Reply 5):
JJ's hub it at GRU. GIG and BSB are the secondary ones. No airline has a main hub at GIG. As for *A coverage in Brazil we have:

You forgot CGH.


User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1060 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4004 times:



Quoting C010T3 (Reply 6):
You forgot CGH.

Indeed. Thanks for the heads up.



Please insert a "smart" joke here.
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

CO would definitely add some South America coverage to *A, though neither EWR nor IAH is a great connecting point to South America (IAH is all right for much of the western half of the country; EWR is all right for the northeast). Still, an out of the way single connection is probably better than a double connection (over an American gateway and GRU, for instance).


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User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2393 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3953 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 4):
Avianca is Star's answer fro South America.

Agree a 100%. Very good quality airline, a good hub literally in the middle of America, coverage of almost every country in South America, affiliate companies in Ecuador and Brazil and a nice FF program...
Coincidence or not, AV counters in MIA are in the new concourse J which is Star's terminal.



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User currently offlineBakersdozen From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3869 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 3):
Sorry, couldn't resist.
http://www.adastron.com/aviation/def...u.htm

I always forget to leave out the U, I didn't know what it stood for, thanks for the link!


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4549 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3563 times:

The issue at stake was already commented several weeks ago in this forum.
Basically, the conclusions were that TAM, Avianca and TACA are strong candidates in order to fill the gap of Star Alliance in Latin America.
In my view, TAM is by far the strongest choice in short-term.
I attached the related link once again.
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...general_aviation/read.main/3856416

Regards.



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User currently offlineTavong From Colombia, joined Jul 2001, 836 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3404 times:



Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 11):
Basically, the conclusions were that TAM, Avianca and TACA are strong candidates in order to fill the gap of Star Alliance in Latin America.

I agree, i really think Star will put all their efforts to get TAM in case the y need a strong partner in SA.

Altough i would love to see AV in Star, i thik they´ll go Skyteam, anyway i also think that this will be only possible if CO pull´s out of Skyteam, since that virtually leaves CM and P5 without their Skyteam support. Other element important is if DL really want another Skyteam partner in teh region or they´ll go alone in the venture.

At the end, anyone can "fill" the void, but i really think that TAM will have the prize.

Gus
SKBO



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3394 times:



Quoting Tavong (Reply 12):
At the end, anyone can "fill" the void, but i really think that TAM will have the prize.

Bearing in mind their tie ups with UA and LH I think you might be on the button there.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8428 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3372 times:
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Quoting Tavong (Reply 12):
Altough i would love to see AV in Star, i thik they´ll go Skyteam

With COPA in Panama next door and Copa's Aerorepublica in Colombia as a domestic airline, I think Copa wouldn't like Avianca in Skyteam. If TAM in Brazil joined STAR it would cover the southern half of Latin America, then AV would provide decent coverage in Northern South America.


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4549 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3283 times:



Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 13):
Bearing in mind their tie ups with UA and LH I think you might be on the button there.

TAM also sustains a code-share deal with TAP from Portugal, which is essentially another airline involved in Star Alliance.
TP flies from both OPO and LIS to several Brazilian stations.
Regards.



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User currently offlineTavong From Colombia, joined Jul 2001, 836 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3254 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 14):
With COPA in Panama next door and Copa's Aerorepublica in Colombia as a domestic airline, I think Copa wouldn't like Avianca in Skyteam. If TAM in Brazil joined STAR it would cover the southern half of Latin America, then AV would provide decent coverage in Northern South America.

That´s correct, this was the reason why i said that id depends more if CO stays in Skyteam, if CO pulls out from Skyteam that virtually will mean that CM and P5 will be out too, putting AV in an advantage posicion to enter Skyteam (given AV´s ties with DL). Anyway at these days it´s only a Wild guess.

Gus
SKBO



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3117 times:



Quoting Tavong (Reply 16):
if CO pulls out from Skyteam that virtually will mean that CM and P5 will be out too

Why? CO is apparently divesting its shares of CM, which suggests that the relationship between them will become less intimate.



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User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2409 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3096 times:

JJ is the real answer to South America for Star. AV is not doing great connecting within south american destinations, nor BOG and its altitude could become a real hub. Even CM makes a much better job doing it.

Weren't also rumors about JJ and One World?

Regards )(



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User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2574 posts, RR: 31
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3039 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 17):
CO is apparently divesting its shares of CM, which suggests that the relationship between them will become less intimate.

Copa CEO said that their alliance with CO runs until 2012 and that they will follow CO wherever they go. If CO pulls out of Skyteam, CM will quickly follow suit.

Saludos desde Caracas,
Luis


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4549 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2919 times:



Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 19):
Copa CEO said that their alliance with CO runs until 2012 and that they will follow CO wherever they go. If CO pulls out of Skyteam, CM will quickly follow suit.

True, although Mr. Pedro Heilbron who's Copa Holdings CEO made that assessment in February, before CO sold its remaining 4,38 million shares of Copa Airlines in May.
Here's a copy related in such regard:

"It's obviously kind of early to tell what's going to happen," Heilbron told analysts on the airline's earnings call yesterday. "However, we have an alliance with Continental that's very strong and a contract that runs through 2012, so we plan to remain with Continental. We will probably follow them wherever they go," he said, noting that "most our value in the alliance is between us two." "We recently joined SkyTeam, but we're only starting to work on all the necessary agreements, so we really don't have a lot at stake there. Our partnership and our value is with Continental," Heilbron said. He also touted the value of Copa's Latin America network, "which is not only valuable to Continental but to any other global alliance. We think we're in a very strong position no matter what happens."

Greetings from Central America.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2731 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2849 times:

Don't forget that TACA is already a United partner.

If CO joins *Alliance and COPA follows, I would guess it would be less likely that TACA and AVIANCA join *Alliance since the three airlines seem to be geographically overlapping.

I could see TAM joining *Alliance with either COPA, TACA and AVIANCA but not more than one of those airlines.


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2741 times:



Quoting Arcano (Reply 18):
JJ is the real answer to South America for Star. AV is not doing great connecting within south american destinations, nor BOG and its altitude could become a real hub.

Not doing great? Where are your stats? The airline is actually doing very good at that. And BOG with its altitude is already a real hub.....but of course, if we want to bash AV, we can always find pointless arguments for doing so.


I think *A needs TAM first, this way they would cover the largest market, Brazil. Then, TA or AV would be excellent additions. Three very efficient, nice quality airlines.



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User currently offlineTavong From Colombia, joined Jul 2001, 836 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2624 times:



Quoting Arcano (Reply 18):
JJ is the real answer to South America for Star. AV is not doing great connecting within south american destinations, nor BOG and its altitude could become a real hub. Even CM makes a much better job doing it

Well anyone here agrees that surely TAM is the one that will go to *A. Anyway i really don't get why BOG couldn't be a real Hub for any alliance "cause it's altitude".

Aside of that i think that AV can do things a little better; they are doing good but i think they still an improve a little tom make the more appealing for any alliance, but i really don't think the altitude has any issue in this case. (or we could preclude MEX from this option too)

Gus
SKBO



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4549 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2533 times:



Quoting Arcano (Reply 18):
AV is not doing great connecting within south american destinations.

The possible interest of Star Alliance on AV may focus in some regions around BOG regarding the weak [lack, where apply] presence of the mentioned global alliance in selected nearby stations where they use to fly: AUA, CUR, SDQ, CCS, LIM, UIO, GYE, PTY, SJO as well as several airports within Colombia.




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Quoting Arcano (Reply 18):
nor BOG and its altitude could become a real hub

Related to deep South America, AV is currently offering services to EZE, GRU and SCL as non-stop.
With respect to the altitude at BOG, it's noteworthy that AF deploys daily BOG-CDG.

Regards.



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