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Why Didn't Boeing Launch The 787-10 With Others.?  
User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4550 times:

I was just wondering, why didn't Boeing launch the 787-10 with the 787-8/-9/-3?? It would have ambitious, but the 787 program has always been ambitious. If they were worried about interrupting sales of the 77E program, well sales of this were beginning to taper off a bit anyway after Boeing launched the 77L/W family and the 789 doesn't help really either. I think Boeing may have captured even more sales of the 787 and had a very broad family of aircraft. I think it is merely a matter of time and getting the program back on track and production up, but the 787-10 will most likely be launched. The question is what will it look like and will it just be an extension of capacity of the 789, or something a little bigger and capable altogether?? Anyway, I think Boeing would have done well to launch the 787-10 with the others...  scratchchin 



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User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4550 times:

I believe the design and layout was not final.

Better question is why did not they just launch the 787-8/9/10 and not the 300?



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User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4441 times:



Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 1):
Better question is why did not they just launch the 787-8/9/10 and not the 300?

I completely agree. Perhaps Boeing can make a 250+tonne 787-10 with 8000nm+ range. I think this would provide enough capacity and performance to please the airlines and would be great for current 788/9 customers to add to their fleet if they should need the capacity jump. Just my  twocents 



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User currently onlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1874 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4382 times:

Boeing will not launch it until the bugs of 787-8 and -9 are worked out and the airframe sheds some weight off. The most customer - attractive 787-10 would have to have at least equal capabilities to those of 777-200ER with the economic advantages of the other family members.

Like I have said before, if Boeing would go with "full-on" 8000nm-capable upgrade instead of the simple stretch, they would have launched it by now.

Of course a year ago nobody expected 787 programme to be 16 months late, but that's another story...



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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4721 posts, RR: 39
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4343 times:
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They probably did not do so because the B787-10 version is just one step to far ahead at this stage of the (now deeply troubled) program. The 8 and 9 version can be developed using similar parts to build it. The 10 version would need much more work done to make it fly economically.

Now with the problems they have with the program, and the not expected A350-XWB version from Airbus just around the corner, they are rethinking their strategies while they are solving the problems on the program.

In the end they will launch the 10 version, no doubt about it. But it will have some trouble holding its own against the A350-XWB competition. On the other hand, customers who have ordered the B787 already, (and that list is very long!) and do not want another airplane in their fleet if they need something a bit bigger, are the most likely ones to order this version of the B787-10.

In the picture above it looks awfully nice! Lets bring it on! In fact, lets bring all the B787 versions on the market a.s.a.p.!

Kind regards.

[Edited 2008-06-04 10:11:03]

User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4312 times:

Another reason is that Boeing do not want to cannibalize 777-300ER sales. While the 787-10 will be a bit smaller, it would be more profitable to operate than the 777-300ER on just about any route.

User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9997 posts, RR: 96
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4245 times:
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Quoting Zvezda (Reply 5):
Another reason is that Boeing do not want to cannibalize 777-300ER sales. While the 787-10 will be a bit smaller, it would be more profitable to operate than the 777-300ER on just about any route.

Struggle a bit with that.
If you'd said 772ER, I'd have had no problem.

But a 773ER has to be
a) at least 15%-20% physically bigger than a 787-10
b) probably have an even greater payload disparity
c) Assuming a 245t-250t 787-10, have 500 Nm - 750Nm + range advantage.

I could easily see an "all-Boeing" EK, for example, flying 787-10's and 773ER's side-by-side, because of the 773ER's much greater revenue potential, particularly on longer sectors.

After all the debate we've had on whether the A350-1000 will kill the 773ER, or not, I find it hard to see the 787-10 stepping up to the task.

Just my opinion.

Rgds


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