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Rumor: UA Is Looking For Q-400's For DEN  
User currently offlineAzcommute From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 16 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7082 times:

I have heard from sources that UA is looking for Q-400 options to replace the DH8-2 currently flying in the DEN market. Can anyone confirm or deny?

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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4630 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7018 times:

I think every airline needs to look at them these days

DL could use 15 for each ATL SLC and CVG and ay 5 for JFK and LAX.

US could sue to replace their DH2/3's

AA could use a bunch for DFW and to replace ATRs

UA would also probably use a bunch in IAD too.



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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6925 times:



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 1):
think every airline needs to look at them these days

DL could use 15 for each ATL SLC and CVG and ay 5 for JFK and LAX.

US could sue to replace their DH2/3's

AA could use a bunch for DFW and to replace ATRs

UA would also probably use a bunch in IAD too.

5 isnt really enought to open a station in JFK, they would need a MX base unless there was a conduit to ATL/CVG.

I think AA and UA should replace their RJs from ORD to cities under 200 miles excepto IND GRR


User currently offlineAzcommute From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6883 times:

I know there are a couple regionals that have options on the Q-400 that UA could look at. L4 (Lynx) is running to GJT,ASE,DRO and doing very well and burning alot less then the old DH8-2's of Mesa, and hold 74 PAX instead of 37.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24315 posts, RR: 47
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6873 times:

Actually UA has looked at the ATR-72 recently, and not for DEN in particular but also many <300mile markets from ORD.


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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6874 times:

I can confirm that an airline was looking at a PD DH4 at PWK a month or two ago... I don't know for certain who the airline was, but there's only one Chicago-based airline that would be interested.


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User currently offlineKLASM83 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 617 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6842 times:

I always thought Q400's would be a great idea with DEN. More power to United if they want to run multiple frequencies in to the nearby mountain stations (ASE had some 25-30 flights a day, for example), but to do it with with gas guzzling CR7's on 125 mile hops can't really help the bottom line, not matter how much it they make the pax pay. The Q400 is a more capable plane in and out of the mountains as Lynx is proving right now. I do hope it happens.


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User currently offlineCsturdiv From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1424 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6778 times:



Quoting Azcommute (Thread starter):
I have heard from sources that UA is looking for Q-400 options to replace the DH8-2 currently flying in the DEN market. Can anyone confirm or deny?

Well a few months ago the Q400 was in Chicago for a demo with UA. Landed at PWK, Chicago Executive. So at least we know that UA is/was interested in this aircraft.



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User currently offlineImapilotaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6728 times:

This is correct. As long as 2 years ago, UA had approached one of their current operators regarding a small "test run" of 5 aircraft out of Denver, with substantial options for more if UA liked the deal. This was back when Q400s were next to impossible to obtain close in, and was not pursued because of that.

User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6728 times:

Ok, I'll bite on this one and state the obvious. If and when Frontier/Lynx tanks, Q-400s will be available and already in DEN.

P.S. Apologies to Mariner.  Wink


User currently offlineAzcommute From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6676 times:

Could options be bought from Lynx that has options up to 10 by UA and given to a regional partner that can get them on ops specs or buy Lynx from F9 in cash deal?

User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5997 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6564 times:

There is some rumor to Colgan Air picking up some flying for United out west on another website, so the addition of United looking at DH4 would seem to make sense. Colgan already does some regional flying for UA from IAD, so United would not have to bring in another vendor to fly this type.

ASSFO



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User currently offlineAzcommute From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6412 times:

I forgot about Colgan. Lynx is pretty deep being owned by F9. Hope something happens fast, mesa is killing the rocky mountain flying with those old Dh8-2.

User currently offlineImapilotaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6375 times:



Quoting AS739X (Reply 11):
There is some rumor to Colgan Air picking up some flying for United out west

Actually that is likely UA talking with them regarding a backstop if Mesa dies for 8-10 aircraft out of DEN. They have been contacting any and all regional operators that operate 30+ seat turboprop aircraft that could make it work. They would prefer the DH8-200s, but are willing to have any type of aircraft at short notice.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24315 posts, RR: 47
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6222 times:

As part of the announced mainline cuts, plans are that UAX network ASMs will increase about 10% by the end of 2009.

Look for annoucements on new deals.



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User currently offlineCAL764 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6222 times:

Reminds me of CO...Good move by both parties, in my oppnion...


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User currently offlineFlyb From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 681 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6214 times:

The national news here in Canada was reporting that several major US carriers were looking at the Q-400's.

This was this morning.


User currently offlineRampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3067 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6193 times:



Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 9):
Ok, I'll bite on this one and state the obvious. If and when Frontier/Lynx tanks, Q-400s will be available and already in DEN.

OK, I'll bite too. Leave it to UA to attempt to catch up to another airline that has already been innovative in their market.

-Rampart


User currently offlineC172pic From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6191 times:

Mesa should get some!!!!

User currently offlineTheGreatChecko From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6126 times:

I'm betting Lynx has already bid on any RFP, if there is one out there. It won't be any easier for Colgan to get the approvals to fly in the mountains. So other than the competitive issues, they would be the obvious choice.

Quoting Rampart (Reply 17):
OK, I'll bite too. Leave it to UA to attempt to catch up to another airline that has already been innovative in their market.

Ted??

Checko



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User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6093 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 14):
Look for annoucements on new deals.

Hopefully it's Colgan or someone (not YV!) for a whole heap of Q400s.

Quoting C172pic (Reply 18):
Mesa should get some!!!!

No thanks. I'd rather SkyWest or another decent carrier gets them.


User currently offlineRampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3067 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6075 times:



Quoting TheGreatChecko (Reply 19):
Ted??

That was the 1st attempt, to address the entry of F9 (among other things). This is the second attempt, also to address F9.

Unless you were being cheeky, and I'm replying to the obvious as I usually sucumb to that sort of thing.

-Rampart


User currently offlineFLALEFTY From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 396 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5916 times:

There is a big "IF" here concerning United. That is, unless they plan on paying Bombardier with IOU's, they have little or no available cash, or credit available to fund a new fleet of, well - anything......

They will need every penny of their current cash flow to ward off a return to bankruptcy. Based on recent actions, it looks like United is caught up in the long-standing "bad times" strategy of layoffs, route cuts and parking planes.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24631 posts, RR: 86
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5884 times:
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Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 9):
P.S. Apologies to Mariner.  

I dunno why you apologize to me.

I remember that Ted was supposed to be the Frontier Killer.  confused 

mariner



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24315 posts, RR: 47
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5884 times:

Ha? UA sits on $2.9Bil cash as of the last quarter and has an estimated over $2bil in unencumbered assets it can borrow against.

Actually, I'm pretty sure just about every manufacturer would be more then happy to sell to United if they were shopping for planes.

But anyhow, unless you are a Saudi prince and want to spend some cash, yes planes are aquired on IOU's, --- on credit.

[Edited 2008-06-04 18:07:22]


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25 FLALEFTY : I think that a big chunk of those "unencumbered assets" are about to be sent to the bone yards. That will probably have an adverse impact on their ma
26 DC8FanJet : Another expert heard from. UA's cash position is still very strong, With summer traffic just starting, cash flow should be positive until fall. Besid
27 United1 : Realise that UA is not storing these aircraft, the reality is that they are never going to be back in service for UA more then likely these aircraft
28 DurangoMac : OK here is the scoop, UA is sent out an RFP for flying in any combination of aircraft totaling about the same number of aircraft that Mesa currently f
29 Cubsrule : In the short term, they might actually appreciate some... retirement means that they don't keep piling on cycles. Aircraft are pulled out of storage
30 Apodino : United's Cash position is irrelevant. Any deal for Q 400's would involve the airline that gets the flying to acquire the aircraft and to assume the ri
31 Amwest2United : Don't expect the 733's and 735's to ever return to UA. We have been told that they have buyers for all 30 of the 37-500's and that the interested par
32 ScottB : ...except for Southwest. Well, only if demand for 737-300/500's continues to hold up from operators seeking to replace even older aircraft.
33 FlyUSCG : Care to explain that one? What exactly would we be suing about? We love our -300's (at least from the pilots perspective). And US doesn't own any -20
34 Arrow : I think that was a typo; should have been "use". I hope it was a typo.
35 AirCanada014 : You know its so amazingly bunch of airlines are buying or adding more Q400 Dash while SK discontinue the tuborprop but gave it to their regional carri
36 Cubsrule : But assuming that demand will be the same either way, in the next 6-12 months, they're probably worth more in storage than piling on cycles, and if U
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