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NW Memphis Hub Summer 2008 Schedule  
User currently offlineJohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1655 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6380 times:

I just checked out Northwest's new summer flight schedule for Memphis (my original hometown), and since this underdog hub operation seems to attract a lot of interest around here, I thought I'd go through the schedule in detail and outline what MEM looks like these days. I'm sure there's a mistake or two in my figures, as timetables lately are incredibly hard to read what with all the "effective 6/7, discontinued 7/1, ops 123 6/25-6/30" entries that are all over the place. However, this is my best try and it should be reasonably accurate.

The big changes I see here are the entry of the CR9 into the market and the increased presence of the E75. When I was home in February there were no Mesaba CR9s operating into MEM, and only 2x daily Compass E75s, both to Boston. Anyway, here we go:

Northwest Airlines Memphis Hub Weekday Flights:

AEX 3x SF3
AMS 1x 333
ATL 2 xCR9, 1x DC9
AUS 3x CRJ
BDL 1x CRJ
BHM 2x CR9, 1x CRJ
BNA 1x DC9, 1x CRJ, 1x 319
BOS 2x E75, 1x CRJ
BTR 1x CRJ, 2x DC9
BWI 1x CRJ, 1x 319, 1x E75
CAE 2x CRJ
CHA 2x SF3, 1x CRJ
CHS 2x CRJ
CLE 3x CRJ
CLT 3x CRJ
CMH 3x CRJ
COS 2x CRJ
CUN 2x 320
DCA 2x 319, 1x 320
DEN 1x CR9, 2x CRJ
DFW 1x E75, 1x CR9, 1x 319
DSM 2x CRJ, 1x CR9
DTW 1x 757, 4 D95, 1x DC9
EVV 3x CRJ
EWR 2x E75
FLL 1x 320
FSM 2x SF3, 1x CRJ
GLH 2x SF3
GPT 3x CRJ
GRR 1x CRJ
GSO 3x CRJ
GSP 3x CRJ
HSV 3x CRJ
IAH 2x CRJ, 1x 319
ICT 3x CRJ
IND 2x CRJ, 1x D95
JAN 3x CRJ
JAX 2x CRJ, 1x E75
LAS 1x 319
LAX 2x 319, 1x 320
LEX 2x SF3, 1x CRJ
LFT 3x SF3
LGA 3x 319
LIT 1x E75, 1x D95, 1x 320
MBJ 1x 320
MCI 2x CRJ, 1x 319
MCO 3x 320
MGM 3x CRJ
MIA 1x 319
MKE 1x DC9, 1x D95, 1x CR9
MLI 2x CRJ
MLU 3x SF3
MOB 3x CRJ
MSL 1x SF3
MSN 1x CRJ
MSP 2x DC9, 4x 320, 1x CRJ, 1x 753
MSY 2x D95, 1x CR9
OKC 2x CRJ, 1x E75
OMA 1x CRJ, 2x CR9
ORD 1x DC9, 1x D95, 1x CR9
ORF 1x CRJ
PAH 3x SF3
PFN 3x CRJ
PHL 2x CRJ, 1x 320
PHX 2x E75
PIB 2x SF3
PIT 3x CRJ
PNS 3x CRJ
RDU 3x CRJ
RIC 1x CRJ
SAN 1x 319
SAT 1x DC9, 1x E75, 1x 320
SAV 3x CRJ
SDF 1x CRJ, 2x E75
SEA 2x 320
SFO 1x 319
SGF 3x CRJ
SHV 3x CRJ
STL 1x CRJ, 1x DC9, 1x D95
TLH 3x CRJ
TPA 1x DC9, 1x 319
TRI 2x SF3
TUL 3x CRJ
TUP 3x SF3
TYS 3x CRJ
VPS 2x D95, 1x DC9
XNA 3x CRJ
YYZ 2x CRJ

89 nonstop destinations (this includes YVR, which is Saturday-only A320 service).

Breakdown by type:

SF3: 29
CRJ: 114
CR9: 12
E75: 14
DC9: 13
D95: 13
319: 17
320: 18
757: 1
753: 1
333: 1

Breakdown by category:
Prop: 29
RJ: 140
Mainline: 64

Total Weekday Flights: 233

All in all, not a bad little hub operation. I fear very much for its future with the impending Delta merger, and I plan to take many photos during a trip I'm taking to see my folks in July. Memphis has had this hub under various guises since the late 1960s and it would be a real shame to see it closed.

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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6342 times:

Looks like the only international flights are to Amsterdam and Cancun, correct???


I don't think MEM is going to survive the merger as a hub for DL, too close to ATL.


User currently offlineMtparadis From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6326 times:



Quoting Juventus (Reply 1):
Looks like the only international flights are to Amsterdam and Cancun, correct???

MBJ is on that list as well.


User currently offlineJohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1655 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6318 times:



Quoting Juventus (Reply 1):
Looks like the only international flights are to Amsterdam and Cancun, correct???

Also Montego Bay, Jamaica (MBJ) and Toronto (YYZ); Vancouver (YVR) on Saturdays.


User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6253 times:



Quoting JohnJ (Reply 3):
Also Montego Bay, Jamaica (MBJ) and Toronto (YYZ); Vancouver (YVR) on Saturdays

Thanx, I did not see Toronto, and didn't recognize Montego Bay.....


User currently offlineSampa737 From Brazil, joined May 2005, 637 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6216 times:

Cool post. Thanks for that. MEM is my former hometown as well! Keep in touch.

User currently offlineRedTailDTW From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 753 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6119 times:

Thanks for posting this!


I have always wondered what the schedule breakdown was at MEM...



I would love it if we could get a breakdown of DTW like that.



Mason



Northwest Airlines. Now you're flying smart! (RIP 1926-2009)
User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6441 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6091 times:



Quoting RedTailDTW (Reply 6):
I would love it if we could get a breakdown of DTW like that.

That would be a good project for you to do, just like JohnJ did for MEM. When do you think we can expect it?


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6057 times:



Quoting JohnJ (Thread starter):
DC9: 13
D95: 13

wow only 26 daily departures on DC-9s, a long way from the 1990s when NW probably had over 100 DC-9s per day andthe 1980s when RC and DL had Dc9s in MEM


User currently offlineRedTailDTW From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 753 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6054 times:

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 7):
That would be a good project for you to do, just like JohnJ did for MEM. When do you think we can expect it?

here in a couple days, maybe less....look forward to posting it!




Mason  


BTW, how do I get all of this information?

[Edited 2008-06-06 11:43:19]


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User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2352 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5982 times:

The CR900 has been coming to MKE for a couple of months now. Full every time I have been on it. Love to go through Memphis.

User currently offlineJohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1655 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5973 times:

Quoting RedTailDTW (Reply 9):
BTW, how do I get all of this information?

Have at it:

http://www.nwa.com/travel/timetable/effective_060508.pdf

[Edited 2008-06-06 11:49:31]

User currently offlineThreeIfByAir From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 671 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5794 times:

Nice to see SEA having 2x A320 service. 2x 757s used to be the standard service, even in the winter. Eventually both became A320s, then it was just one daily. The flight has died out entirely in recent winters, I think in part to AS overflying some of the efficient connecting routes via MEM like MCO and MIA.

For a short time, SEA-MEM had three flights each day (roughly 7AM, 10AM, and 1PM departures out of SEA).


User currently offlineSteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1606 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5626 times:

I followed JohnJ's lead with the MSP hub. I hope it's accurate, but there is almost certainly something that got lost in the shuffle. I tried to be careful to leave off all 1-stop flights (which is why cities like DVL are not present) in order to provide an accurate number of overall departures.

ABQ 2x 320
ABR 4x SF3
ALB 1x CRJ
ALO 3x SF3, 1x CRJ
AMS 3x 333
ANC 4x 752
ATL 1x CR9, 2x DC9, 1x 320
ATW 3x SF3, 2x CRJ
ATY 2x SF3
AUS 2x CR9
AVL 1x CRJ
AZO 1x CRJ
BDL 1x CR9, 1x DC9, 2x 319
BGR 1x CRJ
BIL 1x CRJ, 2x 319, 1x 320
BIS 2x CRJ, 2x CR9, 1x D95, 1x 320
BJI 1x SF3, 2x CRJ
BNA 1x E75, 2x DC9
BOI 3x 320
BOS 1x 320, 4x 752
BRD 4x SF3
BTV 1x CRJ
BUF 2x 319
BWI 1x 319, 1x 320, 1x 752
BZN 1x 319, 2x 320
CDG 1x 333
CHS 1x CRJ
CID 2x SF3, 3x CRJ, 2x E75
CLE 2x CRJ, 2x DC9, 1x D95
CLT 2x DC9, 1x 319
CMH 1x D95, 1x 319, 1x 320
CMX 2x SF3, 1x CRJ
COS 2x 319
CPR 1x CRJ
CUN 1x 320
CVG 5x CRJ
CWA 4x SF3, 2x CRJ
DAY 2x CRJ
DBQ 2x SF3
DCA 2x 319, 4x 320, 1x 752
DEN 4x 320, 1x 752
DFW 3x CR9, 3x 320
DLH 1x SF3, 1x CRJ, 1x D95, 1x 319, 1x 320
DSM 1x SF3, 3x CRJ, 3x CR9
DTW 5x D95, 1x 319, 3x 320, 5x 752, 1x 753
EAU 4x SF3
EWR 2x E75, 3x 320
FAI 2x 752
FAR 3x CRJ, 2x E75, 1x DC9, 1x 319
FCA 2x 320
FLL 1x 319
FNT 1x CRJ
FSD 1x SF3, 2x CRJ, 1x DC9, 1x D95, 2x 320
FWA 1x CRJ
GEG 1x 319, 2x 320
GFK 1x SF3, 1x CRJ, 3x DC9
GRB 1x CRJ, 1x E75, 1x D95, 2x 319
GRR 2x CRJ, 2x D95, 1x 320
GSO 1x CRJ
GTF 2x CR9
HIB 2x SF3
HLN 1x CRJ
HNL 1x 333
HPN 1x CRJ
IAD 3x E75, 1x DC9
IAH 1x CR9, 1x E75, 2x 319
ICT 2x CRJ
IDA 1x CRJ
IMT 1x SF3
IND 3x DC9, 1x 320, 1x 753
INL 1x SF3, 2x CRJ
JAC 1x 319
JAX 1x E75
JFK 1x 319, 2x 320
JMS 1x SF3
LAN 1x CR9
LAS 2x 319, 3x 752
LAX 3x 320, 1x 752, 4x 753
LGA 1x 319, 4x 320, 2x 752
LHR 1x 333
LIT 1x E75
LNK 4x CRJ
LSE 2x SF3, 1x CRJ, 2x CR9, 1x D95
MBS 1x 319
MCI 1x CRJ, 1x CR9, 3x DC9, 2x D95, 1x 319
MCO 1x 320, 1x 752, 1x 753
MCW 3x SF3
MDT 1x CR9
MDW 4x E75, 2x 319
MEM 1x DC9, 3x D95, 2x 320, 1x 753
MHT 1x CR9
MIA 1x 319
MKE 1x DC9, 1x D95, 1x 319, 1x 320, 3x 752
MLI 4x CRJ
MOT 3x DC9
MQT 1x SF3
MSN 1x CRJ, 1x E75, 1x DC9, 2x 320
MSO 2x 319
MSY 1x CR9
NRT 1x 744
OKC 2x E75
OMA 3x CRJ, 1x E75, 3x 320
ORD 3x DC9, 4x D95, 1x 319, 2x 320
ORF 1x E75
PDX 2x 752, 3x 753
PHL 1x E75, 2x 319, 2x 320
PHX 1x 319, 2x 320, 2x 752
PIA 3x SF3
PIT 2x CRJ, 1x DC9, 1x D95
PVD 1x CR9
PVR 1x 320 (Ends 7/30)
PWM 1x CRJ
RAP 1x CRJ, 2x CR9, 1x DC9
RDU 2x 320
RHI 2x SF3, 1x CRJ
RIC 2x CRJ
ROC 1x CRJ
RST 3x SF3, 2x CRJ, 1x DC9, 1x D95
RSW 1x 320
SAN 3x 320, 1x 752
SAT 2x E75
SBN 1x CRJ
SDF 2x CRJ, 1x E75
SEA 1x 320, 2x 752, 6x 753
SFO 1x 319, 1x 320, 2x 752, 2x 753
SGF 1x CRJ
SJC 2x 320
SLC 2x E75, 1x 319, 1x 320
SMF 3x 320
SNA 3x 319
STC 4x SF3
STL 1x CRJ, 2x CR9, 2x DC9, 2x D95
SUX 3x SF3, 2x CRJ
TPA 2x 752
TUL 2x CRJ
TUS 1x 319
TVC 1x DC9
TYS 1x CRJ
XNA 2x CRJ
YEG 2x 319
YQR 2x E75
YQT 2x SF3
YUL 1x CRJ
YVR 1x 319, 2x 320
YWG 1x CRJ, 3x DC9, 1x 319
YXE 2x E75
YYC 1x 319, 2x 320
YYZ 2x CRJ, 1x DC9, 1x D95

150 nonstop destinations (this includes MYR and SAV, which are Saturday-only CRJ service).

Breakdown by type:

SF3: 63
CRJ: 93
CR9: 27
E75: 33
DC9: 40
D95: 29
319: 51
320: 83
752: 39
753: 19
333: 6
744: 1

Breakdown by category:
Prop: 63
RJ: 153
Mainline: 268

Total Weekday Flights: 484

I count 15 international destinations - 1 in Asia (NRT), 3 in Europe (AMS, CDG, LHR), 2 in Mexico (CUN and PVR), and 9 in Canada (YEG, YQR, YQT, YUL, YVR, YWG, YXE, YYC, YYZ). However, the PVR flight does end July 30.


User currently offlineSNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5469 times:

MEM will be around during the merge.

What do you all think, that ATL has pleanty of room to grow and all of these flights can just go there with no problem? Last time I check, ATL was pretty congested and one of the worlds bussiest airports. MEM will make a decent reliver airport in the merger. CVG has more to worry about... DTW still has pleanty of room to grow, and with the expansion of another runway, DTW could easily handel more flights. I dont want to hijack the thread, but MEM will be okay during the merger and make a decent reliver hub. MEM is a very effiecent hub with very short taxi times everywhere.



Long Live Memphis!
User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9176 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5046 times:

Do you think the facilities (terminal space, gates, customs/immigration, etc...) would have to be improved? I heard from other folks who have used MEM and said that the terminals are in somewhat of a need of an upgrade...


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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9289 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4908 times:



Quoting SNCntry32 (Reply 14):
What do you all think, that ATL has pleanty of room to grow and all of these flights can just go there with no problem? Last time I check, ATL was pretty congested and one of the worlds bussiest airports. MEM will make a decent reliver airport in the merger. CVG has more to worry about... DTW still has pleanty of room to grow, and with the expansion of another runway, DTW could easily handel more flights. I dont want to hijack the thread, but MEM will be okay during the merger and make a decent reliver hub. MEM is a very effiecent hub with very short taxi times everywhere.

There was a PR from Anderson and Steeland that came out back when oil was around 112$ that said if fuel keeps going up MEM and CVG are gone.

I would be willing to bet that there aren't any citys on that list the DL doesn't fly to from Atlanta. most of the RJ citys can be add with one flight or upgraded. Then close the route out of MEM to drive prices up from ATL. Then we have the whole point of this meger. Really and truely I hate to see hubs like CVG and MEM go. ATL and DTW/MSP are some of the best airport to replace them with though.



yep.
User currently offlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3725 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4838 times:



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 15):
I heard from other folks who have used MEM and said that the terminals are in somewhat of a need of an upgrade...

It could use some help, that's for sure. I flew through MEM in April & it's looking a little aged.

Then again, it was cool to see a placard inside the jetway saying something like the jetway was "Built for Republic Airlines".



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User currently offlineNorthstarBoy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1825 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4794 times:
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Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 16):
I would be willing to bet that there aren't any citys on that list the DL doesn't fly to from Atlanta. most of the RJ citys can be add with one flight or upgraded. Then close the route out of MEM to drive prices up from ATL. Then we have the whole point of this meger. Really and truely I hate to see hubs like CVG and MEM go. ATL and DTW/MSP are some of the best airport to replace them with though.

I agree, sure, before the merger is approved the head honchos are going talk big about preserviing mem and cvg because they don't want trouble with those respective states' congressional delegations and pressure on the DOJ, but once the deal is sealed and the ink is dry on the agreement, the axe man will cometh for the heads of mem and cvg, because let's face it, any of those small cities currently served from mem can just as easily be served from atl, likewise for cvg, any place that's served from cvg can just as easily be served from dtw. I'll even go one step further on the limb and predict that once the ink dries, cvg will see all of it's international service transferred to detroit.



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9289 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4759 times:



Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 18):
I agree, sure, before the merger is approved the head honchos are going talk big about preserviing mem and cvg because they don't want trouble with those respective states' congressional delegations and pressure on the DOJ, but once the deal is sealed and the ink is dry on the agreement, the axe man will cometh for the heads of mem and cvg, because let's face it, any of those small cities currently served from mem can just as easily be served from atl, likewise for cvg, any place that's served from cvg can just as easily be served from dtw. I'll even go one step further on the limb and predict that once the ink dries, cvg will see all of it's international service transferred to detroit.

 checkmark   checkmark  Then blame it on fuel. look at what US did to PIT. AA to STL (not at bad as PIT but still). Welcome to the club CVG and MEM.

All of CVGs TATL flights are served from DTW. (LGW,FRA,CDG and AMS) My guys is MSP will get the FRA flight and CDG and AMS will stay around for a little. Maybe DL will start SLC-LGW.



yep.
User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8893 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4744 times:



Quoting SNCntry32 (Reply 14):
What do you all think, that ATL has pleanty of room to grow and all of these flights can just go there with no problem? Last time I check, ATL was pretty congested and one of the worlds bussiest airports. MEM will make a decent reliver airport in the merger. CVG has more to worry about... DTW still has pleanty of room to grow, and with the expansion of another runway, DTW could easily handel more flights. I dont want to hijack the thread, but MEM will be okay during the merger and make a decent reliver hub. MEM is a very effiecent hub with very short taxi times everywhere.

ATL has plenty of room to grow mainline. Many Southeastern cities have both NW service to MEM and DL service to ATL, with a lot of these frequencies on RJs. These are the type of cities that DL will plan on using the DC-9s for - instead of running 3x CRJ to MEM and 5-6x CRJ to ATL, look for something along the lines of 3x DC-9 and a CRJ.

DL has 72 mainline gates alone on the A/B/C concourses, plus there's plenty of room over on the E gates in the mornings and after the European departure bank. With a strong schedule, DL could easily manage about 700 daily MAINLINE departures a day out of ATL. Add in the regional jet gates on the C and D concourses (and the lone gate on B that can't handle mainline since the 727 but can take small RJs) and you could handle another 400 daily flights out of those 46 gates. With a capacity of around 1200-1300 daily flights, there's enough critical mass that you don't need a traditional banked hub, but can easily get away with a rolling hub concept.

You do this and open up the gates and you can easily absorb MEM's capacity, especially considering that (a) there will be capacity reductions from this merger (something that needs to be done in the national airline industry) and (b) you'll have synergies from the merger that result in reduced flights. For example, GSO-ATL is currently 2x MD-80, 1x 737-800 and 6x CRJ. GSO-MEM is 3x CRJ. In a merger, the market could easily become 5x MD-80/737-800/A32x series with maybe an offpeak CRJ thrown in. 6x frequency is still more than enough for the market, so you'd have capacity reduction. You'd still have some seating reduction (by about 100 seats in this case) but it should still be able to hold the market.

Another example is BOS. MEM-BOS is currently 2x E175 and 1x CRJ. ATL-BOS is 8x MD-80, 2x 737-800, 2x 757. MEM-BOS has a total of about 200 seats a day - this can be made up for by taking a 2-3 MD-80s and making them be 757s. Reduces overall capacity marginally and doesn't add any extra flights out of ATL.

The best-case scenario for MEM is for it to become a very small DL focus city, no more than 50 flights. Even that I think is a bit unrealistic though. MEM will most likely be a larger spoke in the DL network with service to LGA (2x daily O&D), JFK (feed hub), ATL (hub), MSP (hub), DTW (hub), SLC (new route to feed hub) and maybe keep DCA as a 1-2x daily O&D route and depending on how much DL commits to the LAX hub, maybe that with a daily A319 redeye (there might be enough traffic for a daily LA flight on an O&D basis; faremeasure.com is down right now so I can't look it up). Even there, that's about 30-35 daily flights.

CVG I could see having a bit larger of a role - most likely having a BOS flight, a couple of RJs up to ORD, plus service to LAS, LAX, MCO, DCA, LGA plus the five hubs of SLC, ATL, JFK, DTW and MSP, plus maybe a daily 757 over to CDG. No more than 50 flights though, and would most likely be run out of the B1-B10 gates on the B concourse (due to the FIS for the CDG flight).


User currently offlinePWM2TXLHopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4679 times:

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 17):

It could use some help, that's for sure. I flew through MEM in April & it's looking a little aged.

With the exception of updated airline logos, signs, and arr/dep monitors MEM appears to me the same as it did 25 years ago when I first started flying there. The big hair is even still there on a lot of the people in the terminal!

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 20):
hese are the type of cities that DL will plan on using the DC-9s for -

While I'd love to see a DL DC-9 once again, from what I've heard, the -9's will never fly for Delta. Especially if a merger took another year or two to go through, and considering the jet fuel crisis that the industry is struggling with. If you can point me to any reliable information that Delta plans to fly ex-NW -9's though, please point me in that direction! That would be almost a dream come true. Haven't seen a DL -9 since my last ride on one in 1988 or 89 ATL-JAN.

[Edited 2008-06-06 22:21:54]

User currently offlineSNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4379 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 20):
DL has 72 mainline gates alone on the A/B/C concourses, plus there's plenty of room over on the E gates in the mornings and after the European departure bank. With a strong schedule, DL could easily manage about 700 daily MAINLINE departures a day out of ATL. Add in the regional jet gates on the C and D concourses (and the lone gate on B that can't handle mainline since the 727 but can take small RJs) and you could handle another 400 daily flights out of those 46 gates. With a capacity of around 1200-1300 daily flights, there's enough critical mass that you don't need a traditional banked hub, but can easily get away with a rolling hub concept.

I am still lost. I have a friend who is based in ATL. I hear stories about ground stops a lot.

The point I am trying to make while yes, MEM aged a tad, would still make a decent mid south reliver hub. NW has right sized MEM to the point of being somewhat profitable.



Long Live Memphis!
User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6441 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4220 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 16):
I would be willing to bet that there aren't any citys on that list the DL doesn't fly to from Atlanta

Well off the top of my head, I can think of Tupelo,Greenville,Muscle Shoals, Hattiesburg and Paducah that DL does not serve.


User currently offlineJohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1655 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4220 times:



Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 21):
With the exception of updated airline logos, signs, and arr/dep monitors MEM appears to me the same as it did 25 years ago when I first started flying there. The big hair is even still there on a lot of the people in the terminal!

Memphis has gotten freshened up quite a bit over the years. The last time I flew home (February) I took as critical an eye as I could toward the facility, and came to the conclusion that while it's not the glossiest terminal in the world, it offers a lot of amenities, and the concessions offered there show a local flavor that "HMSHost"-type facilities never could - where's the character in airports like ATL or DTW? The facilities might be nice, particularly in the case of DTW, but you could be anywhere in the world. At MEM, the gate areas all have relatively fresh carpet and kiosks - some of these were bare tile in the days of Republic Airlines. In particular, back in the days of the Delta hub in the early 1980s, their gates over in Terminal A had no carpet and had hard plastic seats like in a bus terminal. It's much nicer now.

The worst part about the Memphis facility, in my opinion, is the narrow corridors in Terminal B. This was the original part of the building, built in the early 1960s, and is unfortunately where most of the Northwest flights operate. Terminals A and C were built in the early 1970s and have much wider concourses. Memphis is wisely not putting a huge amount of money into the passenger side of the airport facilities, and to fix Terminal B would probably require tearing it down and building a new facility. Instead, they've made incremental improvements such as the concession rotunda in Terminal B, which was a nice upgrade.

Eating an Interstate Barbecue pulled pork sandwich while watching all the Northwest and FedEx traffic is as good a way to kill an hour layover as any I can think of.


25 AgentXE1225 : I work in MEM (not for DL or NW), and while I can understand some considerable downsizing, I can't see just dumping it to crowd ATL even more. MEM has
26 CIDflyer : I've always thought that CVG would stand to lose the most in a DL/NW merger since its smack dab in between ATL & DTW, and not to mention some of its t
27 Tranceport : I moved from the Memphis area in the 1990's, and this list really surprised me. I had no idea that the airport had lost so much mainline services, esp
28 EXAAUADL : Sad t osee MSP-YUL down to one daily CRJ. NW start flyign this route in 1995 I think and it was like 2-3 DC-9s, then AVROs No it wont They will simply
29 DeltaL1011man : Thanks Bob. Are these Saab routes or CRJs? If you find anymore please post them. Its not as bad as people make it out to be. Biggest problem with ATL
30 Davescj : I think MEM could be come a couple of helpful things for the merged company. One -- as pointed out above, a reliever airport. Two -- ATL will flights
31 JetJeanes : I thought we had already had the rj 900 flying in here.I caught one out of atl back in january one night. I cant see the merger affecting memphis to m
32 EXAAUADL : I dont think DL is going to venture into dedicated cargo service
33 DeltAirlines : Ground stops have gone down a lot ever since the new runway 10/28 opened up. ATL's a very efficient airport now with 3 runways being used for landing
34 MSYtristar : I wouldn't expect more flights to Europe from MEM in the near term. The city is not exactly a booming metropolis. If the hub stays (which is a HUGE q
35 M404 : I totally agree with what others are saying about the PR the two CEOs are babbling about no hubs closing and in MEMs case it my even be true BUT it wo
36 DiscoverCSG : Isn't ATL already a rolling hub? And capacity increases might work gate-wise, but how 'bout field capacity? And the spring, fall, and winter(-time) s
37 MSYtristar : When I was with Air Tran, the majority (at least 90%) of the ground delay programs which were implemented took place in the summer. Spring, fall, and
38 Bobnwa : Read your reply several times, but still have no idea what you mean. Why won't the same people be working there?
39 DeltaL1011man : Spring maybe but fall and winter is Atlanta's low season for storms. So far this summer we haven't had very many storms.
40 MarcoPoloWorld : Unfortunately, Memphis and Cincinnati will both die as hubs - in the current operating environment, they have to. Sadly, though. Is the Amsterdam flig
41 DeltaL1011man : yes it started off as a A332 and is now a A333.
42 DeltAirlines : I know they planned to make it rolling a couple of years ago - that being said, there are still plenty of gates that sit open for long periods at a t
43 MarcoPoloWorld : Thank you for the reply, DeltAirlines and DeltaL1011man.
44 M404 : NWABOB Oh it's my same old rant. You know it. I simply do not believe Andersons "pledge" that no "frontline" employees will lose their jobs. It's defi
45 Bobnwa : I have managed to avoid working in MSP (Eagan) for my entire career. The merger will likely not effect me, so that is a positive.
46 Post contains links DeltaL1011man : I just wanted to post this as food for thought. http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.d...6LsKEkDMqZk5MWkAB7qaeKod2SBMA0I%3D
47 NWAESC : I'm right there with you, M404. If no one will lose their mainline status or have to relocate to remain employed, why haven't they said that specific
48 Post contains links TVNWZ : Pointing here..... http://www.regulations.gov/fdmspubli...n=DocketDetail&d=DOT-OST-2008-0162 I travel about 200=K miles a year. MEM is the easiest, a
49 Cubsrule : The facilities at MEM really aren't bad. Going between concourses entails a bit of a walk, but the recent upgrades to B have made it much better than
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