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Thai Airways Says Goodbye To A340-500s  
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6824 posts, RR: 77
Posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 29748 times:

In a reaction to soaring fuel costs, Thai Airways will cut services to the US, sell its A340-500s and scale down expansion plans.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1212...9392851797.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

It will be interesting to see what happens to those four birds in these days of exploding fuel costs...


PH

[Edited 2008-06-06 10:55:26]


Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6824 posts, RR: 77
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 29720 times:

Interesting quotes from the full article:

The spiraling jet fuel cost is also forcing the airline to terminate its direct Bangkok-New York flights from July 1 and to cut flights to Los Angeles to five a week from seven, he told reporters.

The New York and Los Angeles routes would lose the company around 4 billion baht ($120 million) a year without the cutbacks, said Mr. Apinan.

Thai Airways bought the four Airbus planes three years ago for about $130 million each.

"[Besides New York] we'll continue to operate all our existing routes, but we may consider cutting a number of flights with low bookings on a case by case basis," said Mr. Apinan.


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2162 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 29654 times:

What is the configuration of this aircraft?

User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2731 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 29587 times:



Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
Thai Airways bought the four Airbus planes three years ago for about $130 million each.

Does that seem cheap?


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19954 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 29556 times:

1 July isn't that far off. I wonder what their plans are for pax who have reservations on that flight after that day.

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 29535 times:

http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Tha...s/Thai_Airways_Airbus_A340-500.php

like SQ, they had to stretch out the economy section so as not to overload the plane, but did it in 2 parts by making Y 36" pitch and having a Y+ that's got 42" pitch at 7 across.



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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6824 posts, RR: 77
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 29490 times:



Quoting AF022 (Reply 2):
What is the configuration of this aircraft?

215 seats (Business 60/Premium Eco 42/Economy 113):

http://www.thaiair.com/Travel_Destin...tion/Aircraft_Seatmaps/A3452_l.htm

Quoting United787 (Reply 3):
Does that seem cheap?

I don't know what the list price was like some years ago, but the current list price is some $237 million (average).

http://www.airbus.com/store/mm_repos...dia_object_file_ListPrices2008.pdf


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 29450 times:

Well I don't see these birds sitting around idle for a long time. Somebody will snatch em quick.

Maybe US or how about TAM to increase its fleet of A345's?

Drew



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User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 29394 times:

Perhaps the answer to USAirways' PEK prayers?

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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8640 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 29399 times:

Sad! These beautiful jets are flying one of the premier nonstop routes in the world. It is too bad to see a carrier doing things so right for their customers, fail to make a profit by doing so.

Thai Airways can take credit for buying some beautiful A340-500s, serving good food and serving an incredible ULH routing. A true flagship product. But unfortunately, the money just wasn't justifying this in the NYC-Bangkok market. Really wish I had the chance to enjoy that route while it lasted ...  Sad

What will serve BKK-LAX when the A345 is gone? And hints on a future buyer?


User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 29330 times:



Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
In a reaction to soaring fuel costs, Thai Airways will cut services to the US, sell its A340-500s and scale down expansion plans.

Shocked a bit by the cutting of service to the USA. However not shocked at the ongoing money problems with Thai Airways. I wonder if the text in the article was a bit of spin and just the New York service ended with the Los Angeles route routed again via Japan using the 747 or possibly 777.

In regards to the A340-500 it was a long time in coming. The nonstop from LAX & JFK-BKK although on a nice modern A340-500 pales when compared with the service and quality level of Singapore Airlines daily A340-500 service. A route flown on such a long corridor which gears itself in the direction of a business traveler will not survive on less than daily service, such as that of Thai Airways. I would gather that Thai Airways struggles to obtain the J yield that Singapore Airlines is using to maintain its all J nonstop services on the LAX & EWR-SIN services.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7592 posts, RR: 42
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 29294 times:



Quoting Flighty (Reply 9):
What will serve BKK-LAX when the A345 is gone? And hints on a future buyer?

I was wondering the same thing. Will TG change LAX to one-stop service?



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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6824 posts, RR: 77
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 29186 times:



Quoting Flighty (Reply 9):

What will serve BKK-LAX when the A345 is gone? And hints on a future buyer?



Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 10):
I wonder if the text in the article was a bit of spin and just the New York service ended with the Los Angeles route routed again via Japan using the 747 or possibly 777.

There are some more details in the full article. Only New York will be suspended, LAX will be reduced. And yes, it's likely they switch back to a one-stop service again once the A345s are gone.


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8640 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 29123 times:



Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 10):
I would gather that Thai Airways struggles to obtain the J yield that Singapore Airlines is using to maintain its all J nonstop services on the LAX & EWR-SIN services.

Of course, but this is nothing against Thai Airways. Bangkok City is simply not the equal of Singapore in terms of J-class demand (banking, and so on). We can see this by looking at airline services. BKK has significant and growing economy, but Thailand is not Singapore. It is poorer. But to compensate, the tourism at BKK is obviously strong, plus there are many Thais in both NYC and LAX.

As you say however, this does not equal J-class demand. So, the BKK services must fold. BKK is wonderful, but these flights are just too fuel consumptive to make money.

JFK-BKK: 8677 mi
LAX-BKK: 8270 mi

... With only 200-odd seats aboard these birds, the fuel burn per chair is just murderous. Unfortunately.  Sad


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 29058 times:

Oh crap. I was booked to fly JFK-BKK 6th July. Time for plan B.

User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 29055 times:

Alas I am unable to access the full article as it is embargoed for 24 hours for me, but from other sources...


... forcing the airline to terminate its direct Bangkok-New York flights from July 1 and to cut flights to Los Angeles to five a week from seven, he told reporters.

Apinan said it would be difficult to sell the long-haul aircraft as record oil prices are resulting in many airlines shifting to more profitable short- to medium-haul routes.

"(Besides New York) we'll continue to operate all our existing routes, but we may consider cutting a number of flights with low bookings on a case by case basis," said Apinan.
Source: Dow Jones International Newswires (No link, Factiva DJI0000020080606e4660010o)



"As of July 1, Thai Airways will not fly to New York because of high fuel prices. We have enough passengers, but the high fuel prices have put the airline in a difficult position," the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Thai Airways will maintain its direct flight to Los Angeles, which will be the carrier's only remaining US destination, the official said.
Source: Agence France Presse (No link, Factiva AFPR000020080606e4660086j)



I think that this could be potentially very good news for Singapore Airlines' coming all New Business Class service to Los Angeles. CX may also benefit due to its American presence.

At the moment, it also looks like capacity from the South East Asia region to the United States is coming under some crunch which could lead to marginal yield increases subject to market conditions.



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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4689 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 29031 times:

I know this is a VERY remote possibility, but maybe SQ could pick up these aircraft, convert them to all J and introduce SIN-SFO and SIN-ORD nonstops?


Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 28950 times:

As a scientifically and statistically insignificant but interesting comparison:

SIN/BKK->EWR/JFK respectively leaving 17 June and returning 24 June:

Singapore Airlines: S$12023.00 / Thai Baht 290 575 (SIA only has one fare basis exSIN on the website)
Thai Airways via Zuji: S$8827 / Thai Baht 213 333 ( - 26% )
Thai Airways via TG website (restricted): Thai Baht 192 780 ( -33% )
Thai Airways via TG website (flexible): Thai Baht 207 820 ( -28% )



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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 28865 times:

As a scientifically and statistically insignificant but interesting comparison:

EWR/JFK -> SIN/BKK respectively leaving 17 June and returning 24 June:

Singapore Airlines: US$ 8367.71
Thai Airways via Travelocity (owns Zuji): US$ 6500.80 ( -22% )
Thai Airawys via TG website (restricted): Couldn't find it ( -xx% )
Thai Airways via TG website (flexible): US$ 5999.80 ( -28%)



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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7078 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 28721 times:



Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 8):
Perhaps the answer to USAirways' PEK prayers?

The A345 would look awesome in US colors - I hope US will get them and we will have the first N registered A340  Smile



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User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 28666 times:



Quoting Columba (Reply 19):
The A345 would look awesome in US colors - I hope US will get them and we will have the first N registered A340

In the current economic climate as well as the state of USAirways, not a chance for the A345''s and highly unlikely this route will get off the ground.



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User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2182 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 28665 times:



Quoting Flighty (Reply 13):
But to compensate, the tourism at BKK is obviously strong, plus there are many Thais in both NYC and LAX.

And unfortunately this type of demand does not justify a non-stop flight nor a small fleet of very specific aircraft expensive to maintain and somewhat bad fuel-wise.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19954 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 28661 times:



Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 15):
"As of July 1, Thai Airways will not fly to New York because of high fuel prices. We have enough passengers, but the high fuel prices have put the airline in a difficult position," the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

I don't get this. If you are filling the planes, but the route isn't paying for itself, then you need to charge more.

What I don't understand is how it uses more fuel to do that flight nonstop than to land the plane and then make it take off again.


User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 28627 times:



Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 20):
Quoting Columba (Reply 19):
The A345 would look awesome in US colors - I hope US will get them and we will have the first N registered A340

In the current economic climate as well as the state of USAirways, not a chance for the A345''s and highly unlikely this route will get off the ground.

Sadly this is true. Shame though, the A345 was the only "aesthetically correct" A340 and would certainly look great in US colors.

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User currently offlineOlympic472 From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 470 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 28484 times:

Anyone knows if the economics will work for both SIA and Thai on these two routes if they were flown by B777LR instead of the A345. Without considering the purchase price, I am wondering what the fuel burn is between the two aircrafts and what the CASM are.


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25 PITIngres : Because by landing to refuel, you don't have to lift all the extra fuel (for the later flight stages) in the early flight stages. There's a breakeven
26 Point8six : They may be difficult to dispose of, as they are the Airbus equivalent of the 747SP. They are probably not owned by Thai, but leased and may be return
27 CRJ900 : Can't Thai reconfigure the A345 and put 20-40 more seats into them and fly them to Europe and Australia? They may struggle to find a buyer...
28 PlaneHunter : Thai bought the planes (see above). They would still fly around lots of dead weight compared to the 772s used to Europe and Australia. PH
29 Pilot21 : No point in going into the details of this, but this statement is incorrect. While the B777LR can uplift more freight, the route itself is aimed at a
30 Singapore_Air : - indeed. Very astute.
31 737-990 : My wife and I just had the opportunity to travel Thai Airways roundtrip LAX-BKK. What surprised me was how open both legs of our flights were which wa
32 Airbazar : The question is more whether US is serious about the route or not. I suspect the price on these A345's would be a steal so any current A340/330 opera
33 Glbltrvlr : Obviously the passenger types they were filling the plane with are very price sensitive. If they try to charge more, they won't be filling the plane.
34 Kdeg00 : The additional benefit is that you can replace a significant portion the fuel weight you would have to carry for a non-stop with revenue generating w
35 Ikramerica : I was wondering the same. There must be some route and configuration where the A345 is efficient enough that it makes sense to keep them instead of s
36 Slz396 : Well, first of all, I suppose that as an airline you'd need to consider purchase (or leasing) price too if you want to come up with a meaningful answ
37 Pellegrine : Absolutely ridiculous. When TG emerged with this route, it seemed like a "me too!!!" knee-jerk reaction to SQ's SIN-LAX/JFK flights. As if Bangkok was
38 Plairbus : i really love too see this Thai 340-500 birds. What I do not understand is why they do not use them to fly with more seats to other destinations?
39 Post contains links COERJ : It's really a shame to see this service go. I flew the New York Express last summer, and it was, by far, the best flight I have every been on. It was
40 Glbltrvlr : That's the problem in a nutshell. I'm guessing at some of the numbers, but using the seat counts listed above, max passenger revenue from a given fli
41 Glbltrvlr : The references I checked stated that Thai took HGW versions of the A345s. I haven't checked the numbers, but I suspect that means they wouldn't work
42 Viscount724 : In all the years TG has been operating Transpacific serivices I doubt they have ever been profitable. BKK is too far into Asia to make a good connect
43 Singapore_Air : I'm just going to rebase your revenue assumptions a little: 60 J @ US$5999 ÷ 2 (two segments) = US$ 3000 = US$180 000 42 W @ US$2059.80 ÷ 2 (two se
44 FAH345 : If I remember correctly, HS-TLD is the only HGW among the 345s THAI own.
45 Glbltrvlr : Whoops! You're right - that $1100 was an RT fare. Even at the higher average RT fares you used, the revenue picture is worse.
46 FAH345 : If I remember correctly, HS-TLD is the only HGW version among the 345s they own.
47 Jacobin777 : Prices back then were around $180-200 million back in 2003 so they got 30%-35% discount off of list prices...seems reasonable. ...nice spin. ..the -2
48 Syncmaster : Chances are if they are already booked tickets they will be rebooked on another Star Alliance carrier. Sad to see that there won't be anymore Thai A3
49 KPHXFlyer : US stated in their request for the route that they were to use A340-300s from PHL to PEK. From the look of the Aircraft Data, the A340-500 looks to b
50 Chrisrad : Back in 2006 I flew MEL-BKK-LAX, JFK-BKK-MEL for $3700 AUD all in J class, price was unbeleivable then, little wonder they never made money. I also re
51 Superfly : This only talks about their A340-500. Thai Airways still has A340-600s. Will they send the A340-600 to Los Angeles? I hope they send back their 747-40
52 RJ111 : Sadly the incredible fuel prices have really hit the A345/6 hard. The machines were never efficinet but were cheap to build and had excellent performa
53 Lufthansa : they are MOST WELCOME to send them to BNE. Excellent aircraft...I'll happily purchase tickets on TG if they tend them... hell, 4 day trips to HKT wit
54 Burnsie28 : Doesn't seem to be that the A340-500 met its mark, sure it could go a long way.. but with many restrictions.
55 UA772IAD : Star partners NH and UA serve BKK via NRT. Not non-stop, but there are still options...
56 Sv11 : Hi, Is Thai selling the JFK slots and if so who will pick them up? Thanks, sv11
57 WorldTraveler : they aren't going to be acquired by anyone that wants to make money. They weigh 50K pounds more than an LR, burn 20% more fuel per trip, and can't ca
58 Vulindlela744 : Sad to see the JFK-BKK come to an end. I had the good fortune to fly it in Feb. 2006. It was amazing. Thai Airways is my favorite airline. The service
59 Warreng24 : I can't wait for the return of TG774 and TG775 and the return of the LAX-KIX-BKK-KIX-LAX routing!
60 Post contains images Malaysia : Sure wish this was the replacement option
61 Airbus1 : Just a little speculative but the 4 340-500s could help EK meet its capacity needs - given the delays to the 380 and the backlog of ULH 777s. EK did p
62 Leskova : Almost anyone would choose the nonstop first. But all other things are almost never equal: leisure travellers are the first ones to accept indirect r
63 Point8six : Airbus 1 EK already operates 10 A345s. Don't expect SIA to continue it's ULH routes with the A345 if the oil price continues to climb. The routes have
64 LAXCDG : Point8six: SQ makes a load of money on their non stop,and given future fare hikes they will be able to maintain a nice profit margin even so oil is go
65 Columba : They were more efficient as the aircraft they replaced and LH claimed their A346 the most fuel efficient aircraft in their fleet. It depends on your
66 Lufthansa : It also means SQ feel they can sell that many J seats...rather then Y seats on the route. I bet this is mostly banking types backing this route... so
67 Dennys : It is sad to see A345s leaving TG 's fleet so early . I do quite agree with the one who said that SIA could get them and refurbish them in J class to
68 LAXCDG : Lufthansa: correct, and keeping that in mind,there is very little chance to see the A345 non stop service vanished from SQ timetable.
69 The Coachman : Given the vast capital expenditure TG has outlayed, surely it is more feasible for TG (unless they were offered a good price by EK or SQ or QR or Etih
70 Mfamguy79 : Oh No! I'm booked on TG 794 and TG 795 over the holidays on my trip from LAX-BKK-MAA. Anyone have any idea on what the new schedule will be or what th
71 Jfk777 : If Thai would place a more standard seating configuration, take out the economy + replacing them with coach seats, thay could use the panes on many ro
72 Ttango : When I was shopping for J NYC-BKK last year, TG was routinely in the $2,000-$2,500 range r/t. That was quite a bargain for their underrated ULH J prod
73 Warren747sp : Should have bought the B777LR and maye the extra cargo capacity would have spelled the differrence in profit making and cancealing.
74 Dennys : Sorry Guys , AMADEUS is still sheduling A345 DAILY NSTOP BKK NYC for SEP and OCT 2008 .... and it is not the first time i read that TG wants to get ri
75 Post contains links Legacyins : http://my.att.net/s/editorial.dll?pn...pe=article&render=y&ac=0&ck=&ch=mo
76 Singapore_Air : Efficiency and urgency in updating Amadeus varies by airline to airline.
77 BP1 : A few months ago, on the Thai web site, Thai was offering 2 for 1 in J class on the LAXX-BKK and JFK-BKK route provided both passengers traveled on th
78 JGPH1A : TG have real-time schedule update with Amadeus (it's mandatory for hosted Res carriers). This just means that although TG have announced the change,
79 Singapore_Air : Yes that was what I alluded to.
80 Singapore_Air : EVA Air of Taiwan I believe has a Premium Economy Class on their Boeing 777-300ERs.
81 PlaneHunter : Excuse me? The source is "The Wall Street Journal" - which should be clear from the very beginning. And WSJ quotes the airline's president. PH
82 Slz396 : The 772LR is a more efficient plane for sure, yet despite its efficiency lead, the 772LR is apparently still in roughly the same league as the A345 (
83 Astuteman : I understand that the "industry" widely recognises this number to be around 9%. Rgds
84 Dennys : to PH : Excuse me again , the BKK - USA routes are pointed out ; But the A345 is not quoted . It is not sure the A345s will be phased out absolutely f
85 SeaBosDca : Except that no 77Ls in service are operating ULH routes such as SIN-EWR or BKK-JFK. The 77L has found an altogether new mission which the A345 cannot
86 Jacobin777 : Which is still a substantial number... I'm not..the fact speaks for itself. While the A345 is a very nice plane to fly on (flew on it a few times wit
87 BlrBird : Reading this thread makes me wonder how IT will fare on its upcoming BLR -SFO/JFK routes using 345! Good luck to them
88 BP1 : Regarding IT (great airline code). With all the deep consolidation fares offered on Indian carriers, I hope IT will be careful on its inventory manage
89 Viscount724 : IT was previously the code of Air Inter, the French domestic carrier that merged with AF in the 1990s.
90 Ikramerica : IAH-DXB is near ULH and within a stones throw of BKK-LAX in length, but EK is about to start LAX-DXB which is ULH, only a few hundred miles shorter t
91 JGPH1A : And rather ironic, considering the ancient systems they use
92 Point8six : LAXCDG and LUFTHANSA, the management of SIA do not use sentiment in their business strategies - only profit. A couple of years ago, the A345 was appar
93 Christao17 : EVA has this on both their 777 and 747 products. NH also offers a premium economy product and you could argue that UA has one, also, although seat wi
94 PlaneHunter : They are specifically mentioned in the long version of the article. It's clearly said Thai wants to sell them. PH
95 Dennys : PH . OK you are right . ( unfortunately for the A340-500s LOVERS !) I just got the information from TG , that tey would fly them for 3- or 6 months .
96 Scbriml : Regardless of which league either plane is in, sales totals of 38 and 47 are hardly the stuff of a salesman's dream. Sadly.
97 NewYorkCityBoi : I thought there was the time that TG mentioned re-route BKK-JFK to BKK-PVG-JFK which could be a good option at the time but I dont know about now. The
98 Post contains images TwinOtter4Ever : Not sure if it has been posted, but are any of those A345 former AC metal? It would seem that AC was quite fortunate on their timing as they are now g
99 Airbazar : Yes, the A345 is too much aircraft for the route but it's still the only aircraft available. As much as people love to hate the A343, there aren't an
100 Ikramerica : What's interesting about those numbers is that some 77Ls were bought to replace A345s (AC), others to grow ULH fleet instead of more A345s (EK). Even
101 Airbazar : That depends on the carrier. If there are used A345's available and the carrier in need already operates the A340/330 model, I doubt they would buy b
102 HanginOut : AC's A345s went to TAM.
103 Jfk777 : 47 777-200LR's are not be the stuff of dreams but when you amortize the R & D with the 773ER then the 773ER could be the best selling version of the
104 StarGoldLHR : How efficient are these A345s if they were: 1. Reconfigured with a standard seating layouts 2. Used on standard Long Haul routes (5000-6000 mile radiu
105 Superfly : Malaysia: What is with your anti-Thai Airways poster? They are one of the world's best airline. Any chance LAX will ever see their 747s again?
106 Ikramerica : Well yeah, the used market is the used market and that's fine. I meant that if there is going to be a new ULH sale in the next few years, it's going
107 SeaBosDca : Not that it changes your point, but the 77L has (barely) outsold the 74L, 47-45. The 77L is really a 74L for the new era -- an aircraft that is simpl
108 Malaysia : It is not my poster, it was from some Isaan guys joke site. It has been on the web for years even before the 777LR flew, and it seemed to fit the iro
109 Ikramerica : I thought the 74L sold 55. My mistake. So the 77L is already a better seller there. With DL likely taking more, and EK possibly taking more, the 77L
110 CHRISBA777ER : Got to say this was a shock to me - very surprised. I wrote on TG at the beginning of the year and was informed that JFK would be INCREASED not decrea
111 HomaDreaming : oh wow thank god I did JFK-BKK on Thai, its a LOONG flight...the outbound was literally empty...I had the whole middle row to myself, the food was goo
112 Malaysia : Flying BKK-JFK since everytime I was on it, it was packed with refugees and it caused service inconveniences often. and for BKK-LAX, especially the su
113 Avek00 : Actually, a case could be made that the USA-SIN nonstops have proven to be little more than fancy marketing gimmicks that probably helped to drive sa
114 Post contains links FAH345 : THAI Announces Board Meeting Results On 6th June 2008, Thai Airways International Public Company Limited (THAI) held a Board of Directors’ Meeting a
115 Superfly : That SUCKS! ! ! Sorry I nothing more to contribute. BTW, any updates on there A380 deliverys?
116 Dennys : to CHRISBA777ER , What you say sounds right . Dindn't MU wanted A345s / A346s a few years ago ? regards dennys
117 XT6Wagon : Hindsight being 20/20 its clear it was the worst decision they could have made. Without hindsight, it was a reasonable one given oil prices, and the
118 CHRISBA777ER : MU have A346s already and are apparently very happy with them. These A345s would allow them to do JFK or even something really wild like MEX/TIJ non-
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TransMeridian Says Goodbye To OKC posted Fri Apr 2 2004 01:43:24 by MSYtristar
Zips Says Goodbye To Abbotsford posted Tue Feb 10 2004 01:54:46 by Mckennasmall
Northwest Says Goodbye To...Northwest posted Sun Jul 13 2003 05:28:22 by MSYtristar
Midwest Says Goodbye To Free Meals posted Wed Mar 26 2003 16:40:27 by MSYtristar
AF Says Goodbye To The 763 At BOS posted Mon Dec 2 2002 04:35:18 by Flpuck6
Thai Airways Timetable (Flights To And From HK) posted Sun Dec 24 2000 09:46:40 by United Airline
Swiss Says Goodbye To The Saab 2000... posted Mon Oct 31 2005 23:47:10 by SWISSER
Thai Airways Non-stop To New York posted Mon Oct 25 2004 20:12:32 by JBLUCREW
TransMeridian Says Goodbye To OKC posted Fri Apr 2 2004 01:43:24 by MSYtristar
Zips Says Goodbye To Abbotsford posted Tue Feb 10 2004 01:54:46 by Mckennasmall
Northwest Says Goodbye To...Northwest posted Sun Jul 13 2003 05:28:22 by MSYtristar