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Malaysia Airlines, Vietnam Air Could Join SkyTeam  
User currently onlineSInGAPORE_AIR From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10474 times:

But the outcome of SkyTeam's ongoing talks with two potential members Malaysia Airlines and Vietnam Airlines could determine whether its entry is possible.

''Malaysia Airlines and Vietnam Airlines are, for the time being, our priority,'' Mr Van Wijk said

He was quick to add, however, that Bangkok Airways ''is an option we would certainly like to consider before saying no to them.''

Mr Van Wijk, also vice-chairman of Air France-KLM board, said SkyTeam expected to conclude talks with Vietnam Airlines this year, paving the way for its entry next year.

Discussions of the SkyTeam membership with Malaysia Airlines would take place by the end of this year or early next year for a possible entry in 2010, he added.

In India, SkyTeam has been in talks with two carriers, Kingfisher and Jet Airways, though it is more likely the group would only get one airline on board because both have similar types of operations, he explained.

More at Bangkok Post.


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User currently offlineBentley55 From Panama, joined Mar 2008, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10459 times:

Hopefully Malaysia and Kingfisher join the club ASAP.

User currently offlineSkyTeamTriStar From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 404 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10431 times:

Bangkok Airways may be a boutique carrier but is SkyTeam looking for just that? A regional parter joining the system?

User currently offline777MAS From Malaysia, joined Sep 2003, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 10218 times:

This is the first time I hear of Vietnam Air possibly joining an alliance - I'm sure they'll be into Sky Team real soon.

As for Malaysia Airlines, don't expect much of them - talk of joining an alliance has been around for so long now, and one cannot help but think the way they are going, other airlines will beat them to SkyTeam membership - the last alliance still open to them!! Don't they realise they stand to lose by not joining?


User currently offline9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2110 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10136 times:



Quoting 777MAS (Reply 3):
This is the first time I hear of Vietnam Air possibly joining an alliance - I'm sure they'll be into Sky Team real soon.

Rumours that VN will be joining SkyTeam has been flying around for quite sometimes. The fact that they are a darling of AF (as compared to MH) is undeniable with the recent news about AF's intention to acquire a stake in VN. Past historical ties between France and Vietnam play a major role too.

MH has been knocking on SkyTeam's door since 2006 (but was turned down), while VN will be entertained first. Is SkyTeam ready for 2 members from South East Asia?


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7633 posts, RR: 42
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9862 times:

I hope this time it will work out for MH... they have realigned their European routemap to fit well with SkyTeam, and they have quite good coverage of Southeast Asia and Australia, so they would be a good addition.

How extensive is VN routemap? A friend flew with them a few years ago and he fell in love with the friendliness of their cabin crew. I recall seeing a VN 777-200ER at SYD last year and I thought it was awesome!



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User currently offlineAirpearl From Malaysia, joined May 2001, 957 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 9797 times:

VN joining Skyteam is far from a certainty. Japan Airlines is also working with VN in the hope of preparing it for entry to Oneworld.
It was only in April this year that JAL president was quoted as saying that having VN joining the Oneworld alliance "is an important task" ie. a priority.

Looks like MH is the back-up plan B for Skyteam - for if they can't get VN!


User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1872 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 9779 times:

VN could be nice in Sky, as well as PG and I think there would be room for both (or MH+PG) as PG is more a regional carrier with a very nice and convenient network and great on borad service. A code-share agreement was announced last year or 2 years ago betwen AF & PG but nothing is in place yet. However, PG is doing the ground handling of AF/KL in BKK.

Quoting Airpearl (Reply 6):
VN joining Skyteam is far from a certainty. Japan Airlines is also working with VN in the hope of preparing it for entry to Oneworld.

I totally agree with you. Right now, VN has more links with OW than with Skyteam. They code-share with AA ex-CDG to the USA. They code-shared with AF a few years ago on France-Vietnam routes but it did not last more than 1 season IIRC


User currently offlineMH017 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 1692 posts, RR: 30
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 9693 times:

Will PG be a full member, or enter as an Associate member, like Air Europa, Kenya Airways and/or COPA ?

While MH has better domestic- and Australian/New-Zealand coverage, VN can 'offer' two hubs: HAN and SGN  Smile



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User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1872 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9496 times:



Quoting MH017 (Reply 8):
Will PG be a full member, or enter as an Associate member, like Air Europa, Kenya Airways and/or COPA ?

I'm sure they would be associate members, while VN or MH could be full members ("bigger" carriers)


User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9352 times:

The only reason MAS is being considered now is because of Mr Van Wijk who has rather close ties with MAS since he was formerly a chairman or CEO of KLM. He still has one BIG hurdle to cross which is Air France. And sad to say AF has been blocking MAS's entry into the alliance since day one.


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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9343 times:

Now get VN to join and get the US and Vietnam to let DL/NW fly NRT-SGN and NRT-HAN


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User currently offlineAerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2745 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9240 times:



Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 10):
And sad to say AF has been blocking MAS's entry into the alliance since day one.

Why? MH's service standards far exceed that of Air France. I'd have thought MH would be a highly desirable partner. And it would finally open up Australia/NZ to Skyteam.


User currently offlineVivekman2006 From India, joined May 2006, 542 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9173 times:



Quoting SInGAPORE_AIR (Thread starter):
In India, SkyTeam has been in talks with two carriers, Kingfisher and Jet Airways, though it is more likely the group would only get one airline on board because both have similar types of operations, he explained.

Out of the two, Kingfisher looks like a more likely candidate considering they already have a codeshare/FFP agreement with Skyteam members like Air France, KLM, Northwest & Continental.

- Vivek


User currently offlineAnonms From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9105 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 11):
Now get VN to join and get the US and Vietnam to let DL/NW fly NRT-SGN and NRT-HAN

Well, on a slightly off-topic note, if CI joins, SkyTeam would already have its connection to SGN/HAN. IIRC, DL and VN both codeshare on CI flights between TPE and SGN/HAN and the US.



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User currently offlineDc-9-10 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 585 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9083 times:



Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 4):
MH has been knocking on SkyTeam's door since 2006 (but was turned down), while VN will be entertained first. Is SkyTeam ready for 2 members from South East Asia?

Star seems to do ok with Thai and Singapore in the Region. But if SkyTeam gets both MH and VN, oneworld is toast in the region IMHO.


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6532 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9021 times:



Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 10):
He still has one BIG hurdle to cross which is Air France. And sad to say AF has been blocking MAS's entry into the alliance since day one.




It has been said on this board countless times that AF has been blocking MAS into the alliance for years. No one has ever given any reason why that would be so, or definitely proved that it was so.


User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1872 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9014 times:



Quoting Anonms (Reply 14):
if CI joins, SkyTeam would already have its connection to SGN/HAN

Skyteam already serves SGN and HAN : AF flies 3 times a week to HAN and 4 times a week to SGN. It's a continuation of the daily BKK flight operated by a 744 in winter and a 343 in summer.


User currently offlineTimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1344 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9004 times:



Quoting Dc-9-10 (Reply 15):
But if SkyTeam gets both MH and VN, oneworld is toast in the region IMHO.

What about oneworld having Cathay Pacific, Dragonair, Japan Airlines and Qantas as members as well as BA and AA having their own flights??


User currently offlineAnonms From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8973 times:



Quoting Goldorak (Reply 17):
Skyteam already serves SGN and HAN : AF flies 3 times a week to HAN and 4 times a week to SGN. It's a continuation of the daily BKK flight operated by a 744 in winter and a 343 in summer.

The post I was replying to was talking about DL/NW and NRT (so trans-pac, not trans-Eurasia).



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User currently offlineMAS777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2937 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8899 times:



Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 16):
Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 10):
He still has one BIG hurdle to cross which is Air France. And sad to say AF has been blocking MAS's entry into the alliance since day one.




It has been said on this board countless times that AF has been blocking MAS into the alliance for years. No one has ever given any reason why that would be so, or definitely proved that it was so.

It may be because AF has never given any reason to deny MAS' entry.

Previous threads have discussed MH-Skyteam discussions or more specifically MH-AF talks and outcomes of talks have resulted in press releases of 'AF not accepting MH's entry' - no reasons have ever been cited. Think if you google MH's last round of talks by Idris Jala in Paris - you will see AF just never gave a reason - and some have just postulated that AF is happy with its current QF codeshare and therefore doesn't see a role for MH to play in Skyteam...


User currently offlineMillwallSean From Singapore, joined Apr 2008, 1295 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8876 times:

I told you that Mas was in talks with an arabian carrier before they announced their cooperation with Etihad.
Most people speculated that they were talking to Gulf, when I announced Mas was in cooperation talk with an arabian carrier. The talks with Erihad hasnt finished and will intensify if the Malaysian government allows what Etihad wants.

Etihad comes from Abu Dhabi, the only french supported emirate. Somehow the emir of Abu Dhabi has never gotten along with the UK like most of the other emirs and he has turned to France instead. France have now signed a deal for a huge military base in Abu Dhabi and they have cooperation on a lot of fields.
Abu Dhabi happens to be the place with oil and gas in the UAE, the most strategically important place in the UAE and the emirate with the highest potential. Dubai has only a fraction of what Abu Dhabi has, but they have had more open and businessminded rulers so far.

Mr Van Wijk has nothing to do with it. Etihad has all to do with it.



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User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8866 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 11):
Now get VN to join and get the US and Vietnam to let DL/NW fly NRT-SGN and NRT-HAN

There would be no need to as VN flies both routes, and if implemented DL/NW could simply codeshare. At current UA is using all of the frequencies that are allowed for US air service to Vietnam, ala HKG-SGN.


User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8818 times:



Quoting Aerokiwi (Reply 12):
Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 10):
And sad to say AF has been blocking MAS's entry into the alliance since day one.

Why? MH's service standards far exceed that of Air France. I'd have thought MH would be a highly desirable partner. And it would finally open up Australia/NZ to Skyteam.

It has got nothing to do with service standards...

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 16):
It has been said on this board countless times that AF has been blocking MAS into the alliance for years. No one has ever given any reason why that would be so, or definitely proved that it was so.



Quoting MAS777 (Reply 20):
Previous threads have discussed MH-Skyteam discussions or more specifically MH-AF talks and outcomes of talks have resulted in press releases of 'AF not accepting MH's entry' - no reasons have ever been cited. Think if you google MH's last round of talks by Idris Jala in Paris - you will see AF just never gave a reason - and some have just postulated that AF is happy with its current QF codeshare and therefore doesn't see a role for MH to play in Skyteam...

Indeed... Thank you MAS777. If AF were to re-route their OZ-bound flights via KUL on a MH code share, the yields would definitely suffer and thus the speculation for their (AF) reluctance.



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User currently offlineCHANGYOU From Singapore, joined Nov 2003, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8757 times:
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Wasn't there some news a couple of months back that Taiwan's China Airlines(CI) being review by ST? What happened to the outcome?

25 Pellegrine : AF wouldn't necessarily have to end their QF codeshare if MH joins SkyTeam. Airlines codeshare "out of alliance" all the time. That seems like a pret
26 Ryanair!!! : Yes it is true that airlines out-code-share from alliance. However looking at MH's present coverage of Australia (which is quite extensive for a non-
27 Goldorak : you forgot Adelaide and Brisbane in the list of code-share destinations between AF & QF
28 RedChili : That would also mean that AF would be obliged to start flights to KUL to begin with, as they don't fly to KUL today. I really doubt that AF would be
29 Ryanair!!! : Has AF ever flown to KUL?? Their present coverage of SE Asia is quite thin - SIN, BKK, HAN, SGN and MNL only.
30 AznMadSci : MNL has not been served by AF in years, only KL, and they are the only European serving the airport.
31 Airpearl : If I recall correctly, very briefly after they took over UTA. KUL couldn't have been dropped fast enough. I guess AF's coverage of SE Asia still beat
32 Mindscape : That's very interesting. Hopefully Mr Van Wijk work will go through ! What would be a large coverage of SE Asia for an European carrier ? AF covers m
33 Tennis69 : I fly almost exclusivly with SkyTeam members and am able to maintain elite plus status every year. Now that I am living and working in Vietnam and fly
34 Ryanair!!! : yeah that is true compared to other European carriers like BA. The whole purpose of entering an alliance is to free up their aircraft from flying too
35 Bobnwa : I really don't think that is the whole purpose of an alliance.
36 FlySSC : "in years " = 4 years. Air France stopped serving MNL in 2004, so it's not THAT long ago . That was part of the reorganisation after AF & KL merged :
37 MAS777 : i was under the impression MAS was possibly talking to Kuwait Airways and the Kuwaiti Investment Agency. Etihad talks involve code-sharing (and let's
38 Econojetter : Indeed, AF has, to my knowledge, never stated outright that it does not want to work with MH. But there are indications of resistance towards MH and
39 Pellegrine : They could always do something like a 50:50 split (or 75:25 or what have you), QF codeshare vs. sending traffic via-AMS-KUL. KUL wouldn't affect the
40 JAL : Didn't JAL say Vietnam will join OneWorld?
41 Econojetter : As it is, AF/KL already take passengers all the way to Australia on both AF and KL codes; AF code via SIN and HKG on QF, and KL code via KUL on MH. F
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