MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6251 posts, RR: 51 Posted (5 years 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6246 times:
Here's a link to a USA Today blog which details a map of the U.S and a comparison between October '07 and October '08 in terms of daily seats from each state and the corresponding main cities in each state.
XJET From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 444 posts, RR: 3 Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6207 times:
I saw that article the other day. It was very interesting and had some good figures in it. As usual the leisure destinations are being hit first. And what the heck got added in WY?
Max550 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1114 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6111 times:
Quoting XJET (Reply 1): And what the heck got added in WY?
It shows Gillette as the highest increase in WY, looked it up and it appears it went from almost no flights to a few flights. Not a big increase in seats, but as a percentage compared to how many seats there used to be, huge increases.
Hatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1458 posts, RR: 15 Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6038 times:
SNA sort of surprises me. Was that just due to Aloha shutting down or more? I've always known SNA to be one of those airports with a long waiting list for coveted slots and everyone begging to get in there.
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21043 posts, RR: 60 Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6023 times:
Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 3): When dealing with percentages, small changes in small areas make big percentage changes:
Yeah, it's very typical USA today stuff. The graphic is about changes per state, but treats each state as an equal when it comes to the map. But adding one flight to Montana or Maine can have a big impact that is still statistically insignificant when compared to another state.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
Thomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3727 posts, RR: 25 Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5492 times:
Damn, looks like IAH is going to take a whooping 9% loss! While I did not look at all the 'big city' hub airports, none of the ones that I looked at (DFW, ORD, EWR, ATL, ect....) will suffer as much of a loss as IAH, though MCO and LAS will be taking a bigger hits, I suspect this is due in large part that they are leisure markets.
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21043 posts, RR: 60 Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5427 times:
Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 11): Damn, looks like IAH is going to take a whooping 9% loss!
This is domestic though. I don't think CO is cutting much international flying.
And I don't think this takes into account the unspecified cuts CO just announced, either, unless they just used a number from CO like "will cut 7000 seats" or something like that.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 4746 posts, RR: 15 Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5392 times:
SAN shows down 5%. Understandable with AQ gone, a lot of XE cut, AA and AC already-announced cuts; I agree that this will get worse. (I hope USA will do another revised October 2008 count in October of November...) Gulp.
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 12): And I don't think this takes into account the unspecified cuts CO just announced, either, unless they just used a number from CO like "will cut 7000 seats" or something like that.
Does 14 come before 12 now?
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
It is based on the OAG from June 2 with the schedules for Oct 2008
That does not yet include all the cuts recently announced by AAL, COA, UAL and others including some sure to be announced by other airlines.
These are reduced capacities/ seats BEFORE the latest cuts hit the system.
Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 8): To say that graphic is what will actually happen is very premature.
?? It's not "flawed" at all. It is what it is, changes in seats per state at the given dates. The explanation under the title clearly states that the bigger cuts are coming this fall, and that their data are preliminary.
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7): Yeah, it's very typical USA today stuff. The graphic is about changes per state, but treats each state as an equal when it comes to the map. But adding one flight to Montana or Maine can have a big impact that is still statistically insignificant when compared to another state.
Your point about the flaws of the graphic are accurate. I believe they still teach this in middle school math, so if anyone doesn't realize it already, it's their own damn fault. It's a very common cartographic technique -- overgeneralizing, yes -- but seen in everything from USA Today to Rand McNally to research literature. The USA Today map helps correct this generalization by allowing you to scroll over the state and identify the individual cities' statistics. Nice! Rand McNally does not do that.
Everyone's on the statistical warpath today! Sheesh!
Phelpsie87 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 498 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3579 times:
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 16): I think UA has added larger aircraft to Jackson Hole as well.
JAC currently sees 2x 757's, 2x A319's, and 1 Dash-8, Sunday-Friday from DEN, which increases to 4x A319, 2x 757, and 1x DH8 daily on Saturday's. They also see 2x A319 service from ORD Sunday-Friday, with an additional A319 flight on Saturday's...
Not bad for J-Hole...you would almost think its winter time.
Alphascan From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 936 posts, RR: 14 Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3093 times:
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 16): NW restarted service to Jackson Hole could be a part of it. I think UA has added larger aircraft to Jackson Hole as well.
F9 started A319 service to Jackson Hole last week.
"To he who only has a hammer in his toolbelt, every problem looks like a nail."
Planefxr From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 443 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2992 times:
Quoting XJET (Reply 1): And what the heck got added in WY?
Natural Gas well sites by the dozens, wind generators by the hundreds and of course Oil, Coal and uranium. Lots of resources and companies moving to extract them. The economy in Wyoming is doing rather well.
Lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10886 posts, RR: 100 Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2380 times:
Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 5): That does not yet include all the cuts recently announced by AAL, COA, UAL and others including some sure to be announced by other airlines.
These are reduced capacities/ seats BEFORE the latest cuts hit the system.
That is scary. While some flights weren't scheduled that will occur for October, what is even scarier is that this graphic is prior to the removal of about 250 aircraft from service that was announced with the recent quarterly reports.
The local (South Bay, LA) restaurants are hurting; that indicates discretionary demand is going down. Now Hawaii took a hit from a mix of the Aloha shutdown *and* reduced demand. Unfortunately, as an industry, there is still some medicine to take.
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