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AA 9166 6/6: Why This Route?  
User currently offlineSoxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 866 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5177 times:

Hi Everyone,

AA usually flies an ERD or ER3 between BOS-RDU, so imagine my surprise when I saw on the AA website a 777 scheduled as flight 9166 for today (June 6). I know any four-digit flight number beginning with 9 is usually not a scheduled flight, but I'm curious why it takes the routing it does:

-BOS-FSG Sabre-ville: Departs 1:00p.m., arrives 2:30p.m.

-FSG-LGA New York: Departs 3:00p.m., arrives 4:30p.m.

-LGA-HDQ AA-ville (I'm assuming this is AA headquarters, where is this geographically?) Departs 5:00p.m., arrives 6:00p.m.

-HDQ-RDU Raleigh-Durham: Departs 7:00p.m., arrives 9:30p.m.

Also, where did the 777 come from (i.e. does AA have extras available that they can dedicate to charters, etc.)? And, where does it go after arriving at Raleigh?

Thanks for your help!

Soxfan  Smile


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5171 times:
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Probably ferrying the 777 from BOS to RDU; as AA flies RDU-LHR daily with a 777.

[Edited 2008-06-06 14:51:23]

User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5147 times:

This schedule is not published outside of Sabre, so I'm guessing it's a test flight someone put up in production by mistake. Look at the flight timings, too...

** AA - AMERICAN AIRLINES **
AA9166/06JUN
BOS 1300
FSG 1430 1500
LGA 1630 1700
HDQ 1800 1900
RDU 2130 2200
FSG 2300


FSG - Sabreville - sounds like a test city to me (no such code in IATA manuals)
HDQ - Fictitious Point, not a real place at all - some systems use it as a Pre-designated point.


User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5061 times:



Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 2):
FSG - Sabreville - sounds like a test city to me (no such code in IATA manuals)
HDQ - Fictitious Point, not a real place at all - some systems use it as a Pre-designated point.

It's a pseudo-flight number, not an operating service.

FSG - Sabre Field Service Group, Southlake, Texas.
HDQ - AA Headquarters, Amon Carter Blvd, Ft.Worth, Texas. (a very real place, despite the fiction that sometimes comes out of it!  Wink)


User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5015 times:

Those codes (FSG “Sabre-ville” and HDQ “AA-ville”) are used in AA’s system exclusively for testing/training purposes etc. This is a fake flight just loaded in the system for these purposes, but not actually flown by an aircraft.
It is impossible to fly to FSG or HDQ because they are not real airports!

These flights still show up in the flight status section of AA.com, because that is directly linked to AA’s main system. Just type in ‘9166’ in the flight number box and anyone can see it.

All of AA’s non-scheduled flights like charters etc also still show up on AA.com. Try typing flight ‘9470’ for tomorrow (6/7). You will see it is a 737-800 routed from Miami to Havana, Cuba. It’s obviously not a scheduled flight (illegal), but one of our regular charter flight, operated on behalf of ABC.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4991 times:
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Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 4):
You will see it is a 737-800 routed from Miami to Havana, Cuba. It's obviously not a scheduled flight (illegal), but one of our regular charter flight, operated on behalf of ABC.

Thanks for the clarification; especially pertaining to AA's MIA-HAV flight, as I have often seen these flights on the flight departures screens in MIA.


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6793 posts, RR: 32
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4886 times:



Quoting LHR777 (Reply 3):
HDQ - AA Headquarters, Amon Carter Blvd, Ft.Worth, Texas. (a very real place, despite the fiction that sometimes comes out of it!

I thought AA still used GSW to refer to their headquarters campus.

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 4):
It is impossible to fly to FSG or HDQ because they are not real airports!

For a 777, it'd also be impossible (or near-impossible) to get the thing into/out of LGA.


User currently offlineSoxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4774 times:



Quoting ScottB (Reply 6):
For a 777, it'd also be impossible (or near-impossible) to get the thing into/out of LGA.

That's what I figured; thanks for the responses everyone. (Would it have been the first legacy aircraft with three cabins to land at LGA?)

What are these "test flights" and why are they planned/loaded into the system? Is it to train new schedulers, or some other purpose? Is the 777 just a random choice of aircraft for the test, or was there a reason they planned it? What about the origin (BOS) and destination (RDU) of flight?

That's a bummer about Sabreville not being a real place; I've always wanted to see their tigers (or is that "saberville"?)  Wink

Soxfan  Smile



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User currently offlineFleet Service From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 623 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4643 times:



Quoting Soxfan (Reply 7):
(Would it have been the first legacy aircraft with three cabins to land at LGA?)

Probably not, we've had 762's subbed in for the occasional DFW or MIA, even had a LAX-JFK 762 divert in one night a couple of years ago.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4629 times:
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Quoting Fleet Service (Reply 8):

Do you get any A300'S?


User currently offlineFleet Service From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 623 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4622 times:

I've seen a grand total of one in the time I've been there,it was a ferry en route to BDL.The A300's haven't been a tri class aircraft in a long time.


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User currently offlineExpressJet_ERJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 834 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4606 times:

If you want to be technical the UA aircraft have 3 classes. F Y and Y plus.


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User currently offlinePWM2TXLHopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1339 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4546 times:



Quoting ScottB (Reply 6):
For a 777, it'd also be impossible (or near-impossible) to get the thing into/out of LGA.

Not really. At 7,000ft LGA would be perfectly capable of hosting a 777 if it was lightly fueled and not carrying a large payload. DC-10, L-1011s, and 767's were all operating out of LGA in the not so distant past. And they were even carrying payloads and passengers. Large jet aircraft can do some amazing takeoffs and landing when they are lightly loaded and fueled.


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4481 times:



Quoting LHR777 (Reply 3):
(a very real place, despite the fiction that sometimes comes out of it! )

 Smile - but IATA defines HDQ as "Fictitious Point" - it is used by lots of airlines, not just AA/Sabre. About half the airlines hosted in SITA use HDQRMxx as their PDP.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 6):

I thought AA still used GSW to refer to their headquarters campus.

Not in Sabre, I don't think. Although Sabre has very wierd limitations on using city codes, requiring the use of a large number of "fake" city codes, so it's quite possible.


User currently offlineJetJeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3597 times:

I flew the first 767-400 out of lga to atl a few years ago. Very tight as it arrived at the gate, and it appeared most of dl employees were on the tarmac to welcome the plane in. A tug had to bring it to the gate


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User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3229 times:



Quoting ScottB (Reply 6):
I thought AA still used GSW to refer to their headquarters campus.

The GSW code is used as a designation for the American Airlines Flight Academy, built on the site of the old GSW airport. AA pilots all still practice their flying at GSW regularly – but of course no real planes can take off or land there any more!
It is now the center for all pilot training activities for AA and AA Eagle and has 27 cockpit flight simulators covering all the aircraft types in the fleet.



Ryan / HKG
User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6070 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3157 times:



Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 14):
A tug had to bring it to the gate

That's the usual case when an aircraft type arrives into a gate for the first time. They have to do adjustments to it, and the jetbridge, etc., so that the markings can be prepared properly for the next time.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3026 times:



Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 12):
767's were all operating out of LGA in the not so distant past. And they were even carrying payloads and passengers.

I hadn't realized DL stopped flying 767s there...



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