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Air France Axing #38 CDG-IAH For Winter Skeds?  
User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3915 posts, RR: 23
Posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3494 times:

I heard from a VERY reliable source that AF will be scrubbing IAH's 2nd flight, #38 for the upcoming winter season, can anyone confirm?

Frankly, I am getting a vibe that AF will likely not return this flight to IAH once the summer skeds are made. I am also getting the feeling that this is just the tip of the iceberg with regards to int'l service from IAH. Below are some changes, reductions or downright cancellations that I would not be surprised to see throughout '08' and into '09'

I want to preface this by saying that I am not predicting that these events will take place and needless to say, I pray that they don't, I am just throwing out some unpleasant possibilities in these tough times for all airlines and airports worldwide

SQ, gone before the end of '08'

BA, BA's plans to upgrade to twice daily 747s will be pushed back or axed altogether, and I would not be shocked to see BA reduce IAH down to a single daily service.

QR. Unlike EK before it, QR, much like SQ is very quiet with regards to promoting their upcoming IAH service, which is a red flag in my book. It would not surprise me to hear that QR might push back IAH if not worse.

LH, I can see Lufthy reducing IAH back to a 346 (though I believe that I read somewhere the recent 747 upgrade was for the summer skeds only).

Just some thoughts

Thomas


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User currently offlineLear777 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 290 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3430 times:

This flight will not fly for the winter schedule but is slated to return for spring/summer 09.

Brian



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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3915 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3410 times:
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i wonder if AF will keep the 2nd flgiht around if we jump to STAR??


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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4745 posts, RR: 44
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3261 times:

Yes it is 100% confirmed that in the Winter 08-09 season, AF will reduce Houston-Paris flights to a daily nonstop service i.e. 5 weekly B 773ERs + 2 weekly B 772ERs.

This information has already been uploaded on all major GDS reservations systems.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8248 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3248 times:
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Lufthansa's change from a 744 to A346 is a matter of 20 seats. It could be a change of needing a 744 for another route unrelated to IAH.

User currently offlineZuluLima From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 300 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3084 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 4):
Lufthansa's change from a 744 to A346 is a matter of 20 seats. It could be a change of needing a 744 for another route unrelated to IAH.

What about the cargo implications? That could be the deciding factor, especially if those 20 seats are all economy.



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7401 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2984 times:



Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Thread starter):
I heard from a VERY reliable source that AF will be scrubbing IAH's 2nd flight, #38 for the upcoming winter season, can anyone confirm?

Confimed.

Next winter season, IAH will be served by AF with a single DAILY flight AF036/AF033 - B772ER.


User currently offlineSSCAF001 From Switzerland, joined Aug 2007, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2952 times:

Some other changes for the next IATA season (AF Winter Schedule seen in Galileo GDS) :
BOM and BLR will be served with, respectively, 772 and 332, i.o. 77W and 772
GRU with 772 i.o. 77W
but EZE with 77W i.o 772


User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3651 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2946 times:



Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Thread starter):
SQ, gone before the end of '08'

This one I'm hoping does not happen! They need to retime the flight for better connections to get more out of this flight!

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Thread starter):
QR, much like SQ is very quiet with regards to promoting their upcoming IAH service, which is a red flag in my book. It would not surprise me to hear that QR might push back IAH if not worse.

I have a feeling this one will happen and be a bit better of staying longer than SQ.

In terms of AF, I've heard 3 different aircraft rotations for this flight. On the IAH board they mention daily 773ER, and then the 2 below:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 3):
5 weekly B 773ERs + 2 weekly B 772ERs.



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 6):
single DAILY flight AF036/AF033 - B772ER.

Which one is correct?



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User currently offlineSSCAF001 From Switzerland, joined Aug 2007, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2578 times:

CDG-IAH Schedule for Feb09 :

01FEB09-28FEB09 MTWTFSS PARIS AREA /HOUSTON
07FEB 10FEB .2...67 CDG IAH 1015 1410 AF 36 77W*C
25FEB 1...... CDG IAH 1015 1410 AF 36 772*C
18FEB 24FEB .234567 CDG IAH 1015 1410 AF 36 77W*C
07FEB 10FEB 1...... CDG IAH 1015 1410 AF 36 772*C
03FEB 1....6. CDG IAH 1015 1410 AF 36 772*C
25FEB .234567 CDG IAH 1015 1410 AF 36 77W*C
11FEB 17FEB .234567 CDG IAH 1015 1410 AF 36 77W*C
18FEB 24FEB 1...... CDG IAH 1015 1410 AF 36 772*C
11FEB 17FEB 1...... CDG IAH 1015 1410 AF 36 772*C
06FEB .2345.7 CDG IAH 1015 1410 AF 36 77W*C
END OF DISPLAY


User currently offlineBWE320 From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2541 times:



Quoting ZuluLima (Reply 5):
especially if those 20 seats are all economy.

LH 346 has 4 seats more in economy, but 8 less in First Class and 20 less in Business class. If it is the 346 without First class that would mean 16 less in First, 14 less in Business class and 45 more in Economy class.

B744: 16F/80C/234Y TTL: 330
346 : 0F/66C/279Y TTL: 345
346D: 8F/60C/ 238Y TTL: 306


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7401 posts, RR: 57
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2449 times:



Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 8):
Quoting Behramjee (Reply 3):
5 weekly B 773ERs + 2 weekly B 772ERs.



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 6):
single DAILY flight AF036/AF033 - B772ER.

Which one is correct?

From OCT. to JAN 09 :

AF036 = B772ER on Mon. & Sat - B77W on the other days.

FEB & MAR 09 : AF036 = B772ER on Mon. - B77W on the other days


User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6023 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2412 times:



Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 8):
This one I'm hoping does not happen! They need to retime the flight for better connections to get more out of this flight!

So said so done....Effective 1st week of August SQ have moved their flight to a daytime ops.


I think the reductions in the AF rotations are a direct result of the success of EK, and the bleeding of 100 F/J pax a week to SQ...maybe a little to do with BAs move to LHR too...all these take a way connections.

The KLM 73G might be next.

I believe SQ will give this route some time to develop especially with very strong cargo loads.



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User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3915 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2249 times:



Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 12):
So said so done....Effective 1st week of August SQ have moved their flight to a daytime ops.

I saw this at IAH Spotters, via Flyer Talk, but this is not confirmed by SQ is it? I hope you are right as this might be SQ's last shot to save the route.

Thomas



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