A340Crew From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 270 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2873 times:
Anyone know how gulfstream int'l airlines (continental connection) is doing? I know a few months ago they cut routes, and started to sell their EMB-120's....and planed on only operating the B1900's...
With the economy today will they survive....especially with the continetal cuts....they are a very small airline, and mostly fly to the Bahamas.....
They probably need to get their "academy" profitable fast or close it. Opening a northern EAS operation in CLE in August should provide a small but profitable (they hope) revenue stream; and they hope to keep what's left in Florida profitable by flying mostly monopoly routes nobody else can afford to operate..
Bloodyrascal From Bahamas, joined Mar 2007, 191 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2393 times:
Quoting DUALRATED (Reply 3): This airline (and I use that term lightly) needs to go away.....as soon as possible. I for one would love to see CO come in and replace the service.
Are you kidding me. They offer more non-stop destinations to many cities in The Bahamas than any other airline in The South Florida market. On some islands, it is the only way to get off the island by air. There are some destinations that dont have enough demand for the bigger aircraft. Even 40 seaters will be to big for some destinations. It would not be fuel efficient to have 19 seaters on these shorthops.
DUALRATED From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1001 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2302 times:
Quoting Bloodyrascal (Reply 10): Are you kidding me. They offer more non-stop destinations to many cities in The Bahamas than any other airline in The South Florida market. On some islands, it is the only way to get off the island by air. There are some destinations that dont have enough demand for the bigger aircraft. Even 40 seaters will be to big for some destinations. It would not be fuel efficient to have 19 seaters on these shorthops.
Understood. What I should have stated is how the airline is run in terms of the pilot training and management in general . Not the service they provide. And as far as the service you mention I would like to see some other carrier operate it. Just my opinion.
Suisjes From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 70 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2190 times:
Who cares this is not a forum for the pilots of Gulfstream and how they are trained let's keep focused, the airline really does'nt really have any operational issues, they serve FLA pretty well. And I consider them a florida airline. Being from Florida I like the fact that I can fly from TPA to Gainsville and still fly with a name brand and not some fly by night, I would be worried about who, would replace them!
DUALRATED From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1001 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2162 times:
Quoting Suisjes (Reply 15): Who cares this is not a forum for the pilots of Gulfstream and how they are trained let's keep focused
I think I am very focused. And I care, this is an airline forum and the last time I checked pilots fly airliners. airlines like 3M undermind our industry. and it is clear they are fooling you too beacuse they are a "fly by night" carrier just like the one you are afraid of.
Quoting DUALRATED (Reply 5): And you can put a Mercedes emblem on a Yugo but it does not mean it's a Benz.
Kellmark From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 678 posts, RR: 8 Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2121 times:
Quoting DUALRATED (Reply 14): For a price!!! Which underminds the industry. Would you trust a doctor who paid $100,000 more than any other doctor for the same position just to get there faster?
Is it fair to all the other doctors who PAID THIER DUES THE PROPER WAY?
MD's often have to work for little or no money during internships. Pilots also often work for little or no money to build hours.
I think that you are over reacting.
There are other airlines in the past who have had pilots pay for their training. It has not been an unusual practice when there have been a surplus of pilots. Some airlines, as I recall also have their new hire pilots sign a contract that if they leave within a certain time they must repay that trainng cost. It is a business practice.
As long as Gulfstream's pilots are trained and qualified to FAA standards, that should be what counts.
Suisjes From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 70 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2057 times:
You are probably right, about "fly by night" part I had a friend that worked for them and he said when he flew he did not get treated very good by the mainline but, he said it was because of the fact that Cooper (the founder) was a "scab". But, at any rate I like the fact they fly to alot of Florida. Agreed, though I would like to see the flying go to someone else! Most everyone I know that has worked there has left and said that they were goin down hill!
DUALRATED From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1001 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 1840 times:
Quoting Kellmark (Reply 17): MD's often have to work for little or no money during internships. Pilots also often work for little or no money to build hours.
Thats not the same thing at all....3M sells there right seat in the cockpit in the name of training thats not an internship, thats buying the job.
Quoting Kellmark (Reply 17): As long as Gulfstream's pilots are trained and qualified to FAA standards, that should be what counts.
It does not undermine the industry in any way.
I don't see haw you can say that. if airline X wanted to start service from FLA to the bahamas
they would be dead in no time at all, unless they operated the same way as 3M by having low time FO's buy there spot on the A/C.
Furthermore whats to stop a company like 3M to go into another market like hawaii for example and do the same to hawaiian ailines. that would be right?
Vfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3770 posts, RR: 5 Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 1796 times:
The conference call linked above makes some interesting listening. If I understand the guy correctly, Gulfstream has two subsidiaries, the airline and the academy. Pilots with a CPL can enroll with the academy for 30.000 US$. The academy then guarantees that the students can fly with Gulfstream airlines in order to built up hours quickly (instead of, as he gives as an example, working for years as a flight instructor), allowing them to move to bigger aircraft at other airlines failry soon. He also says that the shortage of pilots has put a dent in the business model of the academy as airlines are willing to hire F/O with very few hours that in the past would have built up hours with the academy.
As such, the concept is not that unusual. For example, Scottish regional airline Loganair has quite a few Asian F/O who are amassing hours on the Saab 340 before moving to larger wide-bodies. They are not paying for the opportunity to fly from their own pocket, though, but are on an Asian airline's payroll. I am sure Loganair does not pay commerical salaries for the services of these pilots.
25 Kellmark: Anyone can duplicate what Gulfstream does. If someone else like airline X wants to start an FAA certified academy and fill the right seat of an airli
26 Lowrider: The only criteria that determines qualified at Gulfstream is if you can write a check that clears. If they made seats available to qualified candidat
27 TheGreatChecko: First off, those "flight academies" you talk about offer a four year degree, something that is fully worth the money they pay for. Is it a bit expens
28 TVNWZ: If a fool wants to do that, why should it bother me? Fool? Smart fool, maybe.
29 TheGreatChecko: Because said fool is flying your plane. We aren't talking about making sandwiches at the deli here...[Edited 2008-06-09 10:57:16]
30 TVNWZ: And they have been flying my plane down to EYW and back safely for the last 10 years.
31 Vfw614: I do not understand the excitement. Nobody is forcing anybody to enroll with the Gulfstream academy. If there are better - easier - cheaper ways to ge
32 DUALRATED: You may thank your captain for that..imagine if you "needed" that FO!
33 TheGreatChecko: Thanks to their instructors, I mean, your captain. Correct, and in a true free market, the consumers would have access to all the information to be a
34 DUALRATED: Exactly...well said. Furthermore ther eis no guarantee what $30,000 get you. Plus go to another airline after flying for 3M that is run or has ex-Eas
35 DUALRATED: And we wonder why our industry is as screwed up as it is!