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User currently offlineNasmal From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 219 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5430 times:

I was on the way to the airport and couldnt believe my eyes. A Southwest 737 taking off from atl on Friday June 6th around 1700.


Im I crazy?

Or if im not what were they doing there?

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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5397 times:



Quoting Nasmal (Thread starter):
I was on the way to the airport and couldnt believe my eyes. A Southwest 737 taking off from atl on Friday June 6th around 1700.


Im I crazy?

Or if im not what were they doing there?

Probably a charter....


User currently offlineBHMBAGLOCK From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5398 times:

Probably a charter, outside chance of a diversion from JAX - couldn't be BHM as our weather has been excellent;


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User currently offlineBluestreak From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5275 times:

Most likely a military charter from Dallas. We get those occasionally to connect to Omni and World Charters for international flights. I don't look for Southwest operating scheduled flights out of ATL anytime soon...if ever.


"Well, we barely made the airport, for the last plane out, as we taxied down the runway, I could hear the people shout"
User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5258 times:



Quoting Bluestreak (Reply 3):


Most likely a military charter from Dallas. We get those occasionally to connect to Omni and World Charters for international flights. I don't look for Southwest operating scheduled flights out of ATL anytime soon...if ever.

ATL is probably the largest market still without WN service, but I doubt they will fly their untill a new secondary airport is built.


User currently offlineFalcon flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5250 times:

Quoting Bluestreak (Reply 3):
Most likely a military charter from Dallas.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA7246

At least now going back to Dallas.

[Edited 2008-06-08 09:29:52]


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User currently offlineCaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5229 times:



Quoting Luisca (Reply 4):
ATL is probably the largest market still without WN service, but I doubt they will fly their untill a new secondary airport is built.

Which will be when? ATL is a congestion lot, look like most of the time an a/c parking lot on the taxiway. Routes like FLL, MCO, Dallas and MDW would be a hit for WN but I bet that their business model would not consider ATL.



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User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2351 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5170 times:

N266WN was there the other day, anyone know what regi operated the charter into ATL? I am sure someone at ATL had to have seen it!


ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5120 times:



Quoting Luisca (Reply 4):
ATL is probably the largest market still without WN service, but I doubt they will fly their untill a new secondary airport is built.

I wouldn't be shocked if they went after NW's four gates on the D Concourse if the opportunity presented itself after the DL-NW merger goes through (I would think one of the conditions would be divesting those 4 gates). Could be a battle though since AirTran will undoubtedly be going after those gates as well - FL is always involved when new gates come online at ATL.

As for avoiding ATL, they just entered PHL a couple of years ago and PHL is much more congested than ATL. Ever since 10/28 opened up, delays have gone down a lot. It will also help WN if they schedule around the major DL departure times - I've flown on US in and out of ATL before and was amazed at how quiet ATL could be when there aren't 30 DL planes pushing back within 5 minutes of each other.


User currently offlineAirportGuy1971 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 355 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4906 times:



Quoting Bluestreak (Reply 3):
I don't look for Southwest operating scheduled flights out of ATL anytime soon...if ever.

Sure, just like everyone assumed that PHL and DEN were never going to happen. 'When pigs fly' is the phrase used about DEN. Everyone assumed that ABE and COS were the cures for those regions.

Reality is a different story. To say that ATL and MSP will not ever see WN is naïve. With pockets as deep as WN's, they will go there if they want to. And don't think that the airport authority wouldn't bend over backwards to get 'em.

WN's was a wet dream for the city and county of Denver. They treat them like the fair haired child of airlines. They have already pushed one airline off the concourse to make room for them. Just last week I saw a Midwest flight on the A concourse. I was told they were moved off C at WN's request. Rumor has it that AA is next.


User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1963 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4764 times:

Aircraft flew...

flt 8622
PHX - VCV = N763SW

flt 7340
VCV - DAL - ATL = N763SW

flt 8623
ATL - BWI = N763SW



My posts/replies are strictly my opinion and not that of any company, organization, or Southwest Airlines.
User currently offlineFalconBird From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1262 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4757 times:

We get Southwest charters in here all the time, but they don't serve Lexington. They serve Louisville. Even Friday we had 2 Frontier A319's.


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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4737 times:



Quoting Caribbean484 (Reply 6):
Which will be when?

It gets revisited about every 10-12 years or so, and at this point, we're no closer now than we were 12 years ago. None of the surrounding counties want it, and any airports that have the potential to expand has NIMBYS fighting expansion projects for fear that those projects would lead to those airports receiving scheduled service or in one case, larger commercial a/c into the airport.

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 8):
I wouldn't be shocked if they went after NW's four gates on the D Concourse if the opportunity presented itself after the DL-NW merger goes through (I would think one of the conditions would be divesting those 4 gates). Could be a battle though since AirTran will undoubtedly be going after those gates as well - FL is always involved when new gates come online at ATL.

ATL's policy now is that any gates returned to the airport by an airline automatically becomes a common use gate. Delta could keep the gates, as the rights to NW's gates would revert to DL as they have historical precedence at ATL. If DL were to give up the gates, FL would probably have precedence over any other airline for the use of those gates. They would have to prove to the city that they have a need for those gates and could use them fully. If they cannot make such a case, then they could be given use of however many gates the airport determines they should be entitled to use. WN could come in an make a proposal to use those gates, including the potential cities they would serve and how many flights a day and projected passenger numbers.


User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23014 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4505 times:



Quoting Srbmod (Reply 12):
They would have to prove to the city that they have a need for those gates and could use them fully. If they cannot make such a case, then they could be given use of however many gates the airport determines they should be entitled to use.

...and then you get an interesting situation.

WN would be a new entrant at ATL, but they would serve primarily routes with lots of competition and reasonable fares-- Chicago, D.C. (via BWI), perhaps PHL, Houston, etc.

OTOH, there's an outstanding chance that FL would fly to some more out of the way places (BTV comes to mind; maybe the Caribbean, etc.). I think the easy assumption is that the new entrant is better (because it brings increased competition), but it seems like the airport and the market might benefit more from FL getting a little more elbow room.



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User currently offlineSyncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2032 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4002 times:
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I saw it arrive around 9:40 AM and wondered why it was there, I was sitting in my DL 752 ready to head to DFW from gate E31. It certainly caught my attention!

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User currently offlineSJC4Me From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 373 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3801 times:



Quoting Falcon flyer (Reply 5):
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA7246

At least now going back to Dallas.

Hmm, it ended up in SJC. I wonder if that also was a charter or just a positioning flight. Anyone know?



Unable.
User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3789 times:



Quoting SJC4Me (Reply 15):
Hmm, it ended up in SJC. I wonder if that also was a charter or just a positioning flight. Anyone know?

7246 would have been "live" with the DAL stop for a crew change...


User currently offlineFFlyerWorld From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2951 times:



Quoting Caribbean484 (Reply 6):
Which will be when? ATL is a congestion lot, look like most of the time an a/c parking lot on the taxiway. Routes like FLL, MCO, Dallas and MDW would be a hit for WN but I bet that their business model would not consider ATL.

Really?? Curious - for the busiest airport in the world where does ATL rank in on-time departures and arrivals in comparison with anyone close to its operational capacity?????
Think you find that ATL is way ahead of the "pack". Furthermore, I cannot think of any business traveler from ATL that would ever want to fly that cattle car known as WN. So it's a good thing they aren't in ATL 'cause they would find themselves in the same arena as did JetBlue a few years back - they found it just a bit too too competitive and pulled out almost as quickly as they arrived.


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9423 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2920 times:



Quoting Caribbean484 (Reply 6):
Which will be when? ATL is a congestion lot, look like most of the time an a/c parking lot on the taxiway. Routes like FLL, MCO, Dallas and MDW would be a hit for WN but I bet that their business model would not consider ATL.

Will be a long time. I think that if they make a sencond airport FL should move its hub to the new airport and give DL the gates on C.

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 8):
I wouldn't be shocked if they went after NW's four gates on the D Concourse if the opportunity presented itself after the DL-NW merger goes through (I would think one of the conditions would be divesting those 4 gates). Could be a battle though since AirTran will undoubtedly be going after those gates as well - FL is always involved when new gates come online at ATL.

DL will be keeping NWs four gates. If DL has to give them(which won't happen) FL will get them.



yep.
User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2920 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 8):
I wouldn't be shocked if they went after NW's four gates on the D Concourse if the opportunity presented itself after the DL-NW merger goes through (I would think one of the conditions would be divesting those 4 gates). Could be a battle though since AirTran will undoubtedly be going after those gates as well - FL is always involved when new gates come online at ATL

Southwest Airlines "out of the box" decisions lately such as adding SFO, and the DEN operations would lead me to think that anything is possible. I would think that it would be possible for Southwest Airlines to "common use" those gates if possible. They in turn could add at least 32 flights in the market saying that each gate could prove 8 flights per day. Southwest Airlines is looking at all markets.

Remember now is a time that Delta Air Lines cannot afford its typical pissing match with new airlines in the market. Air Tran may play a little bit of the game, as they have the most to lose in the market. It would be interesting to say the least.

Odds are that Southwest would be looking at routes such as:

ATL-BHM, ATL-MSY, ATL-RDU, ATL-MCO, ATL-TPA, ATL-MCI
ATL-BWI, ATL-STL, ATL-MDW, ATL-LIT, ATL-BDL, ATL-LAS

.. If they were to enter the market. Remember the word "if"...


User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2865 times:



Quoting FFlyerWorld (Reply 17):
So it's a good thing they aren't in ATL 'cause they would find themselves in the same arena as did JetBlue a few years back - they found it just a bit too too competitive and pulled out almost as quickly as they arrived

What was the point of the above?

It boggles my mind with some of the elitest style statements that are made about Atlanta. Atlanta is a business center in the Southern USA. It is not a Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York, Chicago, or Washington D.C. Why does it seem that the topics about Delta and Atlanta always seem to paint Atlanta as the Center of the Universe?

Statements like:

Quoting FFlyerWorld (Reply 17):
I cannot think of any business traveler from ATL that would ever want to fly that cattle car known as WN

Just make me shake my head even more..

I am amused when people make comments such as Southwest Airlines being a "cattle car". I would fly Southwest Airlines before many of the major airlines in the USA. One thing that Southwest Airlines has that other airlines lack - Southwest Airlines has personality.

Give me the content employees of Southwest Airlines any day over those bitter employees at some of the ancient legacies any day. Who cares if on a 1 - 3 hour flight I dont get my 500 or 1500 miles. I get credit for flying that doesnt have blackout dates, overseas call centers, and a fee for every little thing. I get great service and people who actually want to be at work, and treat me like a person not the guy in 22F that was to cheap to pay for an outdated First Class product in the front of the plane.

Although Southwest Airlines doesn't have assigned seats they reward those who check in early. They do not block seats for anyone. If people are responsible and check in on time they have any seat they want. If you want to buy a ticket at the last minute you have the option of a "Business Select" airfare. This both allows you priority boarding, and a free drink. Compared to what the US majors offer, I would gather to think that with all of the nickel and diming at the majors, Southwest Airlines is going to become more and more the alternative of choice.

There are 3 major markets in the US that are lacking Southwest Airlines at current. Those being New York City, sorry even though Islip is on Long Island, it is one long trek to the city; Atlanta, and Minneapolis. Southwest Airlines entry to those markets will happen at sometime or another. I am not going to question their viability. I haven't seen a market not work for Southwest Airlines.

If people want to keep insulting Southwest Airlines so be it. They cant insult the following or the success of the Southwest Airlines business plan. At last check I dont recall Southwest Airlines ever filing for bankruptcy, having serious labor issues, or horrible on time stats.


User currently offlineTxAgKuwait From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1803 posts, RR: 42
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2551 times:

I have said it before but it is worth repeating. When WN decides it is time for them to be in Atlanta, they will be in Atlanta.

Quote:
Furthermore, I cannot think of any business traveler from ATL that would ever want to fly that cattle car known as WN. So it's a good thing they aren't in ATL 'cause they would find themselves in the same arena as did JetBlue a few years back - they found it just a bit too too competitive and pulled out almost as quickly as they arrived.

And contrary to that poster's opinion.....WN will do well anywhere it goes, and business travelers will queue up to avail themselves of WN's superior service. Delta's Y product, to be totally honest.....is wretched. Cramped cabin, aging upholstered seats, surly FAs unamused at recent pay cuts, an indifferent beverage service (if you get a beverage service at all....'due to the short duration of the flight there will be no beverage service' seems to be the popular idea with DL nowadays). Compared to what you get on DL, WN's standard one-size-fits-all product seems darned near luxurious by comparison.

Right now DL "owns" ATL and has a lot of political clout with the city of Atlanta and state of Georgia. However, the airport where WN needs to be (and IMHO eventually will be) in order to serve Atlanta is MGE.

The federal government declaring MGE a joint civil-military airport (much like MCO was for many years....and SPS and ABQ to mention a few) would probably lure WN in a heartbeat.

MGE is in the perfect spot near the confluence of two busy interstate highways. It's right there near the wealthier suburbs which contain people who fly. It's got plenty of runway. And some day a politician whose campaign funds included donations fron WN will decide to introduce legislation to make MGE a reliever airport for Hartsfield, and despite the protests of the Georgia delegation it will happen. And then you will end up with WN in the Atlanta metro area but not at Hartsfield.

And when WN goes in to ATlanta, it won't be like Jet Blue with 2 or 3 trips a day. It will be something more along the lines of when Sherman marched thru Atlanta. Something along the lines of 24-40 flights a day to a half dozen destinations....ATL-JAN-DAL; ATL-MSY-HOU, ATL-MCO-FLL, ATL-TPA-FLL, ATL-MDW, ATL-BWI, ATL-BNA-MCI. That would be just the beginning. Atlanta is a great O&D market.

I suppose WN could end up at Hartsfield.....depending on what the legacy carriers do in terms of cutting domestic capacity. You can bet WN is watching and looking for opportunities to present themselves.

Don't equate what JetBlue tried to do in Atlanta with what Southwest will do if and when they ever inaugurate service there. There is a reason that it is called "the Southwest effect".


User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23014 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2406 times:



Quoting TxAgKuwait (Reply 21):
That would be just the beginning. Atlanta is a great O&D market.

How does FL's presence affect WN's prospects in Atlanta? The conventional wisdom (based mostly on BWI) seems to be that FL is afraid of WN, but I suspect the calculus is different at ATL... when FL has 9 daily flights on MDW-ATL, there seems to be less room for WN than on, say, MDW-CLT.



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User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2394 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 22):
How does FL's presence affect WN's prospects in Atlanta? The conventional wisdom (based mostly on BWI) seems to be that FL is afraid of WN, but I suspect the calculus is different at ATL... when FL has 9 daily flights on MDW-ATL, there seems to be less room for WN than on, say, MDW-CLT.

The key in all of this is the "Southwest Effect"... along with all of that comes the Southwest Airlines following. I would be quick to think that the one thing that both Delta and Air Tran dont need in their backyard is Southwest Airlines coming in and making a mess of Fortress Atlanta.


User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23014 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2363 times:



Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 23):
The key in all of this is the "Southwest Effect"... along with all of that comes the Southwest Airlines following.

But the WN effect is largely based on lower fares, and there's less room for that in ATL than elsewhere. Compare, for instance, the fares on MDW-ATL on FL and MDW-BHM on WN and you'll see that FL is often cheaper.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
25 Lambert747 : They may be cheaper, but the Southwest Airlines following still fills the Southwest Airlines flights. I think that if and when Southwest Airlines ent
26 RL757PVD : Depending on where the airport is located, FL or WN may have no interest in the second airport. If its too far out, and with no Marta acess, their op
27 Cubsrule : I'd be curious to see your evidence that WN passengers are more loyal than, say, DL passengers. Why would WN go fight DL and FL in ATL when they can
28 Lambert747 : I didn't say they were more loyal than. I was referencing that Southwest Airlines has a VERY loyal following. More so, I referenced in depth the Delt
29 Cubsrule : I'm not arguing with that, but then why not attack them at CVG? ATL has roughly 1300 daily flights to serve Atlanta's 5.1 million inhabitants while C
30 B752OS : Is there really that pressing of a need for a second airport in Atlanta? Where the heck would they put is? Given that Atlanta is so sprawling and not
31 RL757PVD : There isnt...in the post merger environment, having better hubs such as DTW and MSP will help take some pressure off of ATL. The sprawl here is so ba
32 Cubsrule : AHN puzzles me. I would think that carriers could draw from the immediate area and some of Atlanta's northern suburbs/exurbs, but that apparently doe
33 RL757PVD : Their runway is currently too short 5,500 ft. It will be extended to 6,500 in the future. US was there for EAS, but really made to effort to do anyth
34 FlyPNS1 : Why is CVG underserved? ATL has 3x the number of people and roughly 3x the number of flights. CVG does lack a meaningful LCC presence, but I don't th
35 Post contains links Lambert747 : Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 29): I'm not arguing with that, but then why not attack them at CVG? ATL has roughly 1300 daily flights to serve Atlanta's 5.1
36 Cubsrule : I don't see a revenue problem at CVG. For instance, CHI-CVG fares on AA range from $249 to $783; DL's K class fare on BWI-CVG is $284.50. WN could un
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