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User currently offlineLive2fly83 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 151 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3310 times:

B6 announces new expanded service to SJU from BOS, MCO, and JFK
citing a strong RASM there


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User currently offlineGMUAirbusA320 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 243 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3283 times:

Could they be picking up where AA left off? Didn't AA announce large cuts down there in the past 2 weeks? Did they make cuts because of lack of customers or because of finances?

Could anyone from AA help on this one?

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User currently offlineThirteenRight From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3250 times:

And here is a source: http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/bus...iation/2008/06/jetblue-to-add.html

User currently offlineLive2fly83 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 151 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3248 times:



Quoting GMUAirbusA320 (Reply 1):
Could they be picking up where AA left off? Didn't AA announce large cuts down there in the past 2 weeks? Did they make cuts because of lack of customers or because of finances?

they are investing where AA has made cuts
I believe AA cited high fuel costs for their 50% reduction at SJU



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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1989 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3217 times:

Will BOS-SJU go year round? I guess if they did that then BOS-BDA will have to go year round as well.


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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32700 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3153 times:



Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 4):
Will BOS-SJU go year round? I guess if they did that then BOS-BDA will have to go year round as well.

I fail to see the correlation. Bermuda is a summer-heavy market and is seasonal for a reason.



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User currently offlineCaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3138 times:



Quoting GMUAirbusA320 (Reply 1):
Could they be picking up where AA left off? Didn't AA announce large cuts down there in the past 2 weeks? Did they make cuts because of lack of customers or because of finances?

Could very well be, B6 has been making great strides at JFK to their international destinations.
They have been adding where AA and others have been reducing from JFK.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 4):
Will BOS-SJU go year round? I guess if they did that then BOS-BDA will have to go year round as well.

I fail to see the correlation. Bermuda is a summer-heavy market and is seasonal for a reason.

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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3010 times:

Whats the chance of a return to EWR-SJU? Or better left to CO?


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User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1136 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2860 times:

jetBlue should really connsider adding SJU-FLL, even SJU-MIA.

User currently offlineJRodriguez136 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 235 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2779 times:

The press realease states that they will use a combination of Airbus A320s and E190s, (E190s, I will assume from MCO)...
Could this be that we'll see more "connect the dots" with the E190 throughout the Caribbean from SJU, that will be SWEET!!!

I hope that I can see SJU-SDQ with the E190 soon...



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User currently offlineTcttx From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2710 times:

I wonder what routes/frequencies that B6 will be cutting for the new service, as the press release announces this as a "redeployment" and since B6 previously announced delays in new aircraft deliveries and slowed growth?

User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 8326 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2695 times:
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I don't know the labor laws in Puerto Rico, but may be AA has too many employees from all the good years its been there and it can't rid its self of long time emplyees. JetBlue probably operates on the minimum since it doesn't have international flights to SJU just USA to PR flights.

User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1989 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2563 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
I fail to see the correlation. Bermuda is a summer-heavy market and is seasonal for a reason.

The plane that is used for BOS-SJU is used for BOS-BDA during the summer. If BOS-SJU goes year round then they will have to use another plane for BOS-BDA. If the route is seasonal (during the summer) then they have to find a seasonal winter route from BOS where they could go (another SJU frequency, somewhere in Florida or the Carribean). I'd say BOS-PHX could make a return but if they fly an E190 on this route (and IIRC they do) not only is that route a bit far but the schedule won't work.



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User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2520 times:



Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 12):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
I fail to see the correlation. Bermuda is a summer-heavy market and is seasonal for a reason.

The plane that is used for BOS-SJU is used for BOS-BDA during the summer. If BOS-SJU goes year round then they will have to use another plane for BOS-BDA. If the route is seasonal (during the summer) then they have to find a seasonal winter route from BOS where they could go (another SJU frequency, somewhere in Florida or the Carribean). I'd say BOS-PHX could make a return but if they fly an E190 on this route (and IIRC they do) not only is that route a bit far but the schedule won't work.

Funny you mention BOS-PHX. A short time ago the Boston Globe did an interview with the B6 BOS station manager and it was mentioned that BOS-PHX could return as seasonal service as it did well for 6 months out of the year.


User currently offlineRcardinale From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2503 times:

Glad that B6 is picking up the slack here as i can see them making a profit out of SJU. Hopefully B6 can later add FLL and IAD to their lists of destinations served from SJU.

User currently offlineMtb555 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2359 times:



Quoting JRodriguez136 (Reply 9):
E190s, I will assume from MCO)...

Don't be surprised if they deploy a 190 JFK-SJU-JFK. They're doing what was thought a bad move by operating the 190 on the first daily JFK-SDQ flight. I thought it wouldn't work because when the flight runs on a 320 it's packed, upstairs and down below. It is likewise on the 190, a heavy flight baggage-wise. But it's working. A charter also ran a JFK-AUA route a few weeks ago. With shorter mileage and less baggage volume on average, I would imagine they try to run a 190 at least 1x daily out of JFK to SJU.


User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2352 times:

There has been some speculation of Jet Blue opening up a SWF-SJU route with an A320 before the end of 2008. Recently they added the destination on their website as bookable from SWF via MCO.


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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32700 posts, RR: 72
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2314 times:



Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 12):
The plane that is used for BOS-SJU is used for BOS-BDA during the summer.

No it's not. BOS-SJU is an A320 blocked at over 9 hours for a turn. BOS-BDA is an E190 that turns in about five hours.



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User currently offlineExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2259 times:



Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 8):
jetBlue should really connsider adding SJU-FLL, even SJU-MIA.

Given B6's recent announcements on growth (or the deferral thereof) I don't see them trying to open MIA anytime soon, and there's plenty of capacity on FLL-SJU already.


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32700 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2258 times:



Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 18):
and there's plenty of capacity on FLL-SJU already.

AA is pulling roughly half of it. I can definitley see B6 considering giving FLL-SJU a try.



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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1989 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2233 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
No it's not. BOS-SJU is an A320 blocked at over 9 hours for a turn. BOS-BDA is an E190 that turns in about five hours.

Huh. I always thought that was why BOS-BDA began immediately after BOS-SJU ended. And I saw that somewhere here it was. Maybe they've since changed that (and I noticed that the SJU route will begin two months earlier this year, so maybe they will run both routes simultaneously for a while).

9 hours for a turn? If this turn is in SJU, why don't they send it elsewhere? Five hours in BDA seems a tad much too, but there isn't anywhere to send it. I know that they are capable of doing 30 minute turns, but you will need a 90-minute flight out and back.



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8897 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2192 times:



Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 20):
9 hours for a turn? If this turn is in SJU, why don't they send it elsewhere? Five hours in BDA seems a tad much too, but there isn't anywhere to send it. I know that they are capable of doing 30 minute turns, but you will need a 90-minute flight out and back.

What Mark is saying is that it takes B6 roughly 9 hours to fly one plane from BOS to SJU and then back up to BOS. Each way is a roughly four hour flight, with an hour on the ground at SJU to clear out the plane and load it back up on its way to BOS. Thus, 9 hours after the plane leaves BOS, it arrives back at Logan Airport.


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5049 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2166 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19):


I can definitley see B6 considering giving FLL-SJU a try.

Or thinking outside of the box a bit PBI-SJU.



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32700 posts, RR: 72
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2135 times:



Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 20):
I always thought that was why BOS-BDA began immediately after BOS-SJU ended.

That just has to do with the seasons. BOS-BDA is a summer market that operates during the summer timetable; BOS-SJU is a winter market operating during the winter timetable. Schedule changes can be expensive an inefficient. Airlines like the only have two major schedule changes a year - the winter and summer timetables.

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 20):

9 hours for a turn? If this turn is in SJU, why don't they send it elsewhere? Five hours in BDA seems a tad much too, but there isn't anywhere to send it. I know that they are capable of doing 30 minute turns, but you will need a 90-minute flight out and back.

Not on-ground time. It takes ~9 hours for a plane to complete a BOS-SJU-BOS trip; ~5 hours for it to complete BOS-BDA-BOS.



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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1989 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2116 times:

Oh, okay. That will explain it. Thank you.


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25 Sflaflight : Agreed. With AA pulling the plug, NK alone is most likely not enough. Given B6's FLL presence, would be cool for B6 to take over where AA left. I'm t
26 FlyASAGuy2005 : That is actually a very good point that I have not seen until now. Most of the guys working in SJU for AA and AE have been there forever and a day. I
27 ChrisNH : Since San Juan is a big cruise port, does it follow that people board these flights with a ton of luggage? Can these A320s go out with a full compleme
28 AAJFKSJUBKLYN : I wouldn't bet on B6 or anyone for that matter adding any flights anywhere. Sure there is a gap to fill, but face it folks there are going to be A LOT
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