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Boeing's 787 Dreamliner First Flight On Schedule  
User currently offlineAviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1428 posts, RR: 3
Posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 16184 times:

http://www.reuters.com/article/marke...News/idINL0964100920080609?rpc=611

Quote:
Boeing Co said on Monday its 787 Dreamliner would make its first flight in the fourth quarter of 2008, repeating the revised schedule for the new aeroplane's launch announced in April. Dmitry Krol, director of communications for Boeing in Russia and the CIS, said first deliveries of the plane were scheduled for the third quarter of 2009, also as previously stated.

"There is no change to the schedule for the 787 that we announced in April, which has us achieving power on by the end of June, first flight in the fourth quarter of 2008 and first delivery in the third quarter of 2009," said Krol.

The company clarified its schedule after Mike Bair, vice-president of business strategy and marketing at Boeing Commercial Airplanes, said on Sunday the plane would fly "by the end of summer".

Bair was speaking to Reuters on the sidelines of the St Petersburg Economic Forum. He did not say that the schedule had changed.

The fuel-efficient 787 smashed early sales records for Boeing and is seen by some analysts as key to the company's financial future.


Good News anyways but they have to meet the major deadline for Power on. But this time I believe that they have evaluated all the possible scenarios and will meet the deadlines.  crossfingers 

[Edited 2008-06-09 07:02:16]

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User currently offlineArniePie From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 1265 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 16100 times:

Just out of curiosity but if they keep scheduling which airports (and when) are they going to use for hot/high performance, cold weather performance and X-wind landings?


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User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4409 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 16071 times:

Still 3 weeks left for power on.

User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3402 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 15809 times:



Quoting ArniePie (Reply 1):
Just out of curiosity but if they keep scheduling which airports (and when) are they going to use for hot/high performance, cold weather performance and X-wind landings?

I was wondering particularly about the cold soak tests - they'll have to send a pretty green plane off to be frozen if it flies at the end of the year or can the 787 use that airport in Antartica?


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21582 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 15791 times:

Maybe Mike Bair was talking about "German Summer?"  Wink

Sounds as if you misspoke. 4th quarter starts in October, and Summer ends in September, a few days before the 4th Quarter, so maybe they are targeting Oct 1 internally. Which would be rare in the business world, because you don't say 4th quarter if you don't think you need most of that quarter to work with.



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User currently offlineStarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 14869 times:

I'm not sure the directors of AN will agree with your definition of "on schedule".

Year late glad to see it will finally fly however !!!
How many 787's are assembled now ?



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User currently offlineYWG747 From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 251 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 14837 times:

Great too hear!
Can't wait to see one of these birds flying overhead!


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 14808 times:

Will it come to Denver for the high testing? I'm assuming it might go to IWA for the hot testing. Boeing sent their 773 to IWA last year for testing and it had AF colors on the plane. That plane was HUGE! It was parked near IWA's fire station.


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User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14418 times:

I'm pretty sure they will fly in northern Canada to test the weather during Winter time like Airbus did with A380. Can't wait to fly one of those on Air Canada  Smile

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14365 times:



Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 8):
I'm pretty sure they will fly in northern Canada to test the weather during Winter time like Airbus did with A380.

Yellowknife? Is that right?



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User currently offlineUAL747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 595 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14264 times:

Does anyone know approximately when the first flight will be parking outside?

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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21582 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14239 times:



Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 8):
I'm pretty sure they will fly in northern Canada to test the weather during Winter time like Airbus did with A380. Can't wait to fly one of those on Air Canada

My bet is on Alaska. Why pay all these foreign airspace and landing rights when your country owns a piece of the arctic circle?  Wink

I still would have liked to see Antarctica testing, but no need now.



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User currently offlineBkircher From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14212 times:

In the past, Boeing has done lots of hot weather testing at my local airport. Yuma, AZ KYUM

We, had the entire 717 program here and also had the 747LCF here most recently. Would love to see the 787 here


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21582 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14135 times:

They used Edwards for the 77L and 77W, but not exclusively.


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User currently offlineBaw716 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2028 posts, RR: 27
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 13869 times:



Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 3):

I was wondering particularly about the cold soak tests - they'll have to send a pretty green plane off to be frozen if it flies at the end of the year or can the 787 use that airport in Antartica?

They'll keep it in the US...probably an airport in Montana (Glasgow) or Minnesota; temperatures there get actually colder than in Alaska in winter...as I recall, part of the cold flight test program for the 777 was done out of Glasgow, MT...with a lot of fog as I recall...


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User currently offlineStburke From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 13758 times:



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 7):
Will it come to Denver for the high testing?

My guess is no. However COS is a possibility as there was a 77W there not too long ago.

I've heard rumors of them doing X-wind at RDR which I'm hoping for. I have a little inside on the in-flight test team that still has to get back to me.



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User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5478 posts, RR: 31
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 13697 times:

The 380 was cold weather tested in Iqaluit, Nunavut, Canada, (YFB), formerly known as Frobisher Bay.

If the 380 can fit in there, the 787 will not have any problems using the site...if Boeing wishes to use it.



What the...?
User currently offlineRobertS975 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 955 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 13697 times:
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To state that any part of the 787 program is "on schedule" is a bit misleading, especially considering the official rollout was almost a year ago!

User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 13673 times:

I thought they already announced where the hot-high and cold weather test would be. Why does South America ring a bell?


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User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 13464 times:



Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 17):
To state that any part of the 787 program is "on schedule" is a bit misleading, especially considering the official rollout was almost a year ago!

How so, the schedule subsequently changed  Smile  Wink



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31417 posts, RR: 85
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 13406 times:
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Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 17):
To state that any part of the 787 program is "on schedule" is a bit misleading, especially considering the official rollout was almost a year ago!

Okay, so it's "tracking to plan". Big grin


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21582 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 13407 times:

Just like the same discussion re: the A380, on time and on schedule are not the same thing.

You can reschedule anything you want to. If you keep to the new schedule, you are on schedule.

But you aren't on time unless you meet the original schedule's time benchmarks.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 13218 times:



Quoting Stburke (Reply 15):
However COS is a possibility....

Let me know, if it comes to COS, I wanna see it.



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User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12726 times:



Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 3):
I was wondering particularly about the cold soak tests - they'll have to send a pretty green plane off to be frozen if it flies at the end of the year or can the 787 use that airport in Antartica?

If they really had to, they could always freeze it in the USAF's environmental hanger.

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 5):
How many 787's are assembled now ?

Fully assembled? Zero.

In final assembly? Four (plus the static and fatigue frames)

In some stage of assembly? Something like two dozen.

Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 17):
To state that any part of the 787 program is "on schedule" is a bit misleading, especially considering the official rollout was almost a year ago!

We get it, the 787 missed it's original schedule. When Boeing says "on schedule" it should be blindingly obvious that they're talking about the current schedule (roughly defined in April). Unless someone invents a time machine, nobody is trying to claim they're tracking to the original schedule.

Tom.


User currently offlineThreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2187 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12432 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 11):
My bet is on Alaska. Why pay all these foreign airspace and landing rights when your country owns a piece of the arctic circle?

Well to fly to Alaska, they'll still have to pay those 'foreign airspace' fees. unless they want to take an almighty diversion. The landing rights would likely be insignificant to the total cost of that phase of the testing program.

Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 18):
I thought they already announced where the hot-high and cold weather test would be. Why does South America ring a bell?

Maybe because Bogota (8300' and steamy) was used in the 380 program and La Paz sits at some ridiculous elevation near 12 grand I believe. I recall they certified the 757 in Lhasa - over 13,000 feet ASL.



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25 Icelandair75W : I'm putting my bet on Iqualuit for cold weather testing, somewhere in New Mexico, Arizona, or California for hot weather, DEN or as stated above COS f
26 WestJetYQQ : The A380 did it in Iqaluit, Nunuvut. Likely where the 787 is headed if I had to guess. much cooler there than NWT because its on the water not more t
27 Ikramerica : ??? You can quite easily fly from Seattle to Alaska without cross into Canadian airspace.
28 Centrair : I hope that once this plane gets running and then starts initial testing they will also do a world tour to the partner airports. I would love to see i
29 OOer : Why fly all the way over there? Embraer does alot of its crosswind tests at KCPR. Its elevation is about 5300 ft, it is also the 5th or 6th windiest
30 Burkhard : I wished that were their biggest concern!
31 Revelation : SEA-KEF is a local hop for the 787!
32 Burkhard : Don't forget that spectacular photos and media reports of new aircraft tested in very remote and extreme location make very good and comparable cheap
33 Bogota : Lets hope that Boeing does come to either BOG and/or MDE, like the A380 did, for the hot and high testings. Specially taking into consideration that
34 Siromega : After the way the 787 program has been going, I would say Q4 if I had an internal date of Oct 1st.
35 GRRTVC : Would certainly be nice if Boeing did the cold weather testing in FAI considering Alaska is part of the US. January/February temps are usually around
36 Icelandair75W : I don't know. Just figured if they've done it before what's going to change them from doing it again in KEF?
37 Post contains links Stitch : Boeing expertise speeding up 787 partners http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...space/2004470059_charleston11.html
38 Burkhard : Good news again. 19 days left for power on.
39 PW100 : How on earth can you ship a major subassembly (to a FAL) that has only 16% of it's structure completed? Never mind the missing 100% systems . . . Woul
40 Ikramerica : I believe so. It was a shelly supported by a shipping frame, and the floor and other members were not attached. And Vought is also now "ahead" of the
41 Post contains links NYC777 : Here's some more updated information that I learned and put in the blog: http://nyc787.blogspot.com/
42 NYC777 : Breaking news: Power on on Dreamliner 1 set to officially begin tomorrow.
43 Ikramerica : Thanks for the update. How long does power on usually take? A few days? More? I assume with so many more electrical systems on the 787, and the greate
44 Osiris30 : I have nothing left to cross....
45 NYC777 : I think it's going to be very gradual. THey'll turn on power to the cockpit and then slowly add power to the other systems. They don't want any short
46 Osiris30 : Where's the fun in that now!.. turn it all on just like it's a normal day at the office .. (hrmm maybe there's a reason they keep me outta QA LOL)
47 NYC777 : Yeah you might just start an electrical fire!
48 EA772LR : Yeah, that's what I say! I mean, what's the worst that could happen....they could start a fire, lose LN001, yada yada yada.....it's not like they're
49 Ikramerica : I don't think they are. Power on achieved by end of June is still up in the air. They are commencing it tomorrow. It may work out swimmingly, or they
50 BlueShamu330s : Works for me with the Christmas lights !
51 Stitch : IAD787 is reporting they started firing up systems this afternoon.
52 Post contains links NYC777 : I was close! http://nyc787.blogspot.com/2008/06/787-feels-power.html[Edited 2008-06-11 17:08:30]
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