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ANA, Asiana Close In On Widebody Orders  
User currently offlineAviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12104 times:

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...a-close-in-on-widebody-orders.html

Quote:
Japan's All Nippon Airways is preparing to issue a long-awaited request for proposals for ultra-large aircraft that will see the Airbus A380 in an intense competition with the Boeing 747-8.

South Korea's Asiana Airlines is meanwhile close to finalising a major order for widebody twinjets that is expected to see it committing to both the Airbus A350 and Boeing 787

I feel that ANA will go with A380 + A350XWB + some 777 for interim lift.
Asiana is an open secret and are/will order both B787 and A350

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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12475 posts, RR: 37
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12097 times:

I'd expect to see ANA going for the 380, but a 350 order would surprise me, at least in the medium term, with such a big 777 fleet already in service. Hope to be wrong!

User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6570 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12057 times:

It'd be really nice to see the 747-8 win this one. It would be a very capable aircraft for ANA.

User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12057 times:

The following easily has to be the most interesting information provided by the article.  Wink

Industry sources say it has now taken an internal decision to place a major order for A350s on purchase arrangements, as well as take 787s on lease arrangements.

The sources caution that formal agreements have yet to be finalised, but if they are firmed up they are likely to be announced in the coming weeks, possibly at the Farnborough air show in July.


Would seem that Airbus would actually be the major winner if the rumour is to be believed.

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21531 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12017 times:



Quoting WINGS (Reply 3):
Would seem that Airbus would actually be the major winner if the rumour is to be believed.

How so?

Asiana takes lease slots from lease companies, those lease companies then go back to Boeing for more lease slots for the future.

What it sounds like is Asiana wants the 787s ASAP, and that means they have to lease them. The A350X would replace existing aircraft down the road, and that means they will buy them and take them in 2016 or later.

Sounds like it makes sense. From other reports from other airlines, 787 leased aircraft are available, they are just priced higher than some airlines want to pay.



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User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2715 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 11955 times:

So if ANA is preparing to issue the request for VLA proposals n o w - as described in the article - this is the end of the speculation that they would announce any VLA order during the Farnborough Air Show in July.

User currently offlineEcb747 From Norway, joined Apr 2006, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 11942 times:

Don't remember which post I read it in, but a certain somebody said something about a big surprise and a forthcoming order on the 747-8. Maybe ANA is behind this? Or maybe it's just wishful thinking. Would be a good aircraft for them, but with the competition "all" going for A380's, it's hard to imagine ANA not taking some, but how many would the need? Are they planning on using them on both domestic and intl routes, or just one of them?

Quoting WINGS (Reply 3):
possibly at the Farnborough air show in July

Farnborough can't come fast enough!


User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 11893 times:



Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 2):
It'd be really nice to see the 747-8 win this one. It would be a very capable aircraft for ANA.

I agree. And ANA already has ordered 787.....why not the big sister? But, with the high demand routes they fly, I can see the A380 being a seriously aircraft for their needs, esp ex-Japan to USA, Australia, and Europe.

I would be very surpised to see a 748 order here, though it would be nice.

Dave



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21531 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 11822 times:



Quoting N14AZ (Reply 5):
So if ANA is preparing to issue the request for VLA proposals n o w - as described in the article - this is the end of the speculation that they would announce any VLA order during the Farnborough Air Show in July.

The RFP is on schedule. Not for Farnborough, but for what NH has been saying all along. It's only "insiders" and "fortunetellers" who had some inside scoop that ANA had already bought the A380 and were hiding it.

This never happened. Last year they said that mid-year 2009 they would issue the RFP. They are doing just that.

I'm not even sure ANA gives a fig about airshow announcements. They did their own PR for the 77W and 787...



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User currently offlineKLMCedric From Belgium, joined Dec 2003, 812 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 11783 times:

What happened with Asiana's interest in the A380?

Did I miss something here?


User currently offlineHeeseokKoo From South Korea, joined Jan 2005, 639 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 11697 times:



Quoting KLMCedric (Reply 9):
What happened with Asiana's interest in the A380?

The linked article says
"Asiana has at the same time been assessing the Airbus A380 and 747-8, but Park says there is "a little more to go" in the evaluations. Industry sources say a decision on large aircraft is now more likely in the second half of the year."
which means, order of 380 or 748 won't come soon.


User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 11588 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 8):
It's only "insiders" and "fortunetellers" who had some inside scoop that ANA had already bought the A380 and were hiding it.

The point is though that it is known for sure Airbus has signed a new Asian non-Chinese customer for the A380 a few months back. It was speculated and reasoned it would be ANA as that was the most likely candidate for the plane in that region indeed, but IF it isn't, THEN it must be another one, because an order is in the bag: my money would then be on an Indian airline.

Regardless, the fact is isn't ANA is actually very good news, because it means the new customer who has signed for A380s is a pretty unexpected one and the more likely candidate (ANA) is still to come!

The success of the A380 will ultimately have to come form its market penetration with new VLA operators, not in replacing 747s.


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4784 posts, RR: 43
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 11455 times:



Quoting WINGS (Reply 3):
Industry sources say it has now taken an internal decision to place a major order for A350s on purchase arrangements, as well as take 787s on lease arrangements.

It seems that the A 359s will replace OZ's A 333 fleet down the road.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4):
Asiana takes lease slots from lease companies, those lease companies then go back to Boeing for more lease slots for the future.

B 789s will most likely be leased as the B 788 is too small for OZ's specific needs.

This begs an interesting question...which airlines have signed up to lease B 787s from early delivery slot holders such as ILFC, GECAS etc?


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21531 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 11376 times:



Quoting Slz396 (Reply 11):
The point is though that it is known for sure Airbus has signed a new Asian non-Chinese customer for the A380 a few months back.

But it was also for SURE that it wasn't ANA, because ANA denied it and reiterated that they would be putting out the RFP.

But even before the "new" signing, there were those, now 9 months ago, telling everyone that would listen that ANA had already bought the A380 and was hiding it. It would be announced before the end of 2007 some said.

Didn't happen. Because ANA is not lying to anybody.  Smile

And if ANA does choose the A380 which there is a good chance they would, later this year, those same people will say "see? it was all just a sham. They bought them last year." So, oh well.

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 12):
This begs an interesting question...which airlines have signed up to lease B 787s from early delivery slot holders such as ILFC, GECAS etc?

Only their hairdresser knows for sure.



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 11247 times:



Quoting Slz396 (Reply 11):
The success of the A380 will ultimately have to come form its market penetration with new VLA operators, not in replacing 747s.

I guess that goes against Airbus' own business plans of carriers replacing their B744's with A380's....



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User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2954 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11043 times:

As much as all of us would like to see a NH A388 or 748I, it's probably way too much capacity given the difference in the 773ER & A388. Plus there's not that much cargo lift on the A388.
I wouldn't be too surprised to see NH ditch the VLAs all together and order more 773ERs.

The A350 would be a major coup at NH but not too surprising at OZ. OZ could go with both aircraft types.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21531 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 10990 times:



Quoting Carpethead (Reply 15):
I wouldn't be too surprised to see NH ditch the VLAs all together and order more 773ERs.

I've been saying this all along, and JAL the same, but I'm no expert in Japanese aviation or in Japanese politics, so there may be a reason we do see A380s or 748is that I haven't thought about.

If there are going to be VLAs, they are likely not in 3 years but in 10 years. But the Japanese market is not growing and hasn't been for a while, so I just don't see why they need the VLAs.

Yes NH has an RFP, but that doesn't mean it has to be filled. Wouldn't be the first time an airline put out and RFP that was not acted on. QF did it with the 777/A340.



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User currently offlineGlobeEx From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 742 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10064 times:



Quoting Carpethead (Reply 15):
it's probably way too much capacity given the difference in the 773ER & A388.

Tell that EK, AF, QR, SQ and all the others. And what will BA say when they finally replace thier 744? Right now they only have 772 as the second biggest aircraft. Okay, but we can agree that BA will eventually go for the A350-10... but that still isn't bigger than the 77W.

GlobEx



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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8153 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9917 times:



Quoting Davescj (Reply 7):
esp ex-Japan to USA, Australia

No way. If anything the Japan to US market is contracting or at the very least plateauing for the forseeable future. Japanese tourist numbers in the US are down, and with auto industry contraction a given, business travel will be down even further. Australia is an even weaker capacity market from Japan, given the 30% drop in Japanese travel to Australia over the last two years.

Compound that with recession in Japan and structural problems that will impact the Japanese economy long-term, there is no basis for any kind of major growth forecast here. What carriers like ANA will need to do is further refine their market capture and retain the high end market yield they have been able to build a solid foundation on all these years.

Quoting GlobeEx (Reply 17):
Tell that EK, AF, QR, SQ and all the others.

They have totally different home markets.



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9870 times:



Quoting GlobeEx (Reply 17):
Okay, but we can agree that BA will eventually go for the A350-10

No.



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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9790 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 13):
Quoting Slz396 (Reply 11):
The point is though that it is known for sure Airbus has signed a new Asian non-Chinese customer for the A380 a few months back.

But it was also for SURE that it wasn't ANA, because ANA denied it and reiterated that they would be putting out the RFP.

But even before the "new" signing, there were those, now 9 months ago, telling everyone that would listen that ANA had already bought the A380 and was hiding it. It would be announced before the end of 2007 some said.

Didn't happen. Because ANA is not lying to anybody.

And if ANA does choose the A380 which there is a good chance they would, later this year, those same people will say "see? it was all just a sham. They bought them last year." So, oh well.

As one such "insider" of which you dismiss so offhandedly, I can tell you that I've known about a deal for A380s with a major, non-Chinese carrier for six A380s plus six options since November 2007. The airline has issued an LoI and has been negotiating over some renegotiated slots and also for powerplants - my understanding is that a power by the hour deal has been under consideration.

Is it NH? Wait and see.

To put a cat amongst the pigeons - let me tell you I've heard of top ups from QR, EY, MH and TG, plus new orders from 9W, AI, CA and OZ in the next two years. Expect the top ups to be completed this year and for at least one new customer of the above list to be announced this year. Wait and see.  Wink

I've NOT heard of, but think top-ups are likely from EK, BA, LH and SQ. IB and PK will probably take the big bird in the next 2 years as well IMHO, although I've not heard anything about any of these directly.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 19):
Quoting GlobeEx (Reply 17):
Okay, but we can agree that BA will eventually go for the A350-10

No

Yes.  Wink



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21531 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 9436 times:



Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 20):
To put a cat amongst the pigeons - let me tell you I've heard of top ups from QR, EY, MH and TG, plus new orders from 9W, AI, CA and OZ in the next two years. Expect the top ups to be completed this year and for at least one new customer of the above list to be announced this year. Wait and see.

Sounds good.

What does that have to do with NH having already bought the A380? Were you one of the ones claiming this? I don't recall. Hopefully not, as it would hurt your credibility.  Wink Yet, you still try to play coy…

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 20):
Is it NH? Wait and see.

No. It's not. Or their RFP is a sham. And their executives lie.



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User currently offlineGlobeEx From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 742 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 9419 times:



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 19):

So what will they end up with then? Personally I would say it is a given and many would agree that BA will 99% go with the A350 unless Boeing will bring out a killer 787-1 within no time (or at least within the next 12 month, and even that might be too late).

GlobeEx



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User currently offlineGlobeEx From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 742 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 9334 times:



Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 18):
Quoting GlobeEx (Reply 17):
Tell that EK, AF, QR, SQ and all the others.

They have totally different home markets.

Well that's true, however the gap is still the same. But if you want to say that those airlines do not fly s/h with their widebody just take a look at EK. On the other side. The s/h routes of EK do have a future(looking at widebody operation) many of those flown by japanese airlines don't. They will exist a bit longer, maybe a decade (max). But they will eventually have no chance aginst highspeed trains with fuel prices getting close to 200$. We will see that the planes on intra-japanese routes will be getting smaller and smaller, maybe not in the next two-three years, but in time. Mark my words! Except routes going to islands where you won't have proper high speed train connections that will happen. And in the end Japanese airlines will recognize that the routes left will not be sufficent to operate fleets of widebodys with domestic configuration and therefore those routes will start to see different aircrafts as well. Again, that won't happen within the next two three years but by the 2020s.

GlobeEx



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21531 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 9302 times:



Quoting GlobeEx (Reply 22):
Personally I would say it is a given and many would agree that BA will 99% go with the A350 unless Boeing will bring out a killer 787-1 within no time (or at least within the next 12 month, and even that might be too late).

So, despite the fact that BA doesn't fly any plane this size now, you say it's a given that they will buy the A350-1000 just because it exists?

They may buy it, but it's far from a certainty. It's a long way off, and BA looks to be taking the whole new airframe thing cautiously. They waited to buy the 787, and waited to buy the A380, so I think they will wait until the market is sorted out and the A350 is further along before they tell Boeing "sorry, we committed to the 787, but it's too late to pitch us the 787-10".



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25 CHRISBA777ER : I wasnt claiming that NH had ordered the A380 back in November in public. I've known that "a major non-chinese Asian carrier" had written an LoI for
26 GlobeEx : Well right now they have a gap between the 772 and the 744. Ba will eventually start throwing their 744 out of their fleet and a gap between a 772 si
27 CHRISBA777ER : You forget what they are going to use the thing for - they have a raft of 744s that will not all be replaced with A380s or indeed, by 772ERs. Now, do
28 NA : Why not the other way around and use the economy of size? If ANA can fill A380s or 748Is, its cheaper than flying 773s. Also the A380 is a type half
29 Teme82 : Why get 748 when you can get A388?
30 Aerokiwi : Care to share who it is that's been telling you this? Isn't ANA a publicly listed company? In which case, if they did suddenly announce an A380 order
31 Flighty : Thank you. I see Japan getting rid of all quad airliners. The Japanese population is set to decline steeply in the next 50 years. The income has plat
32 Ikramerica : I fail to understand why your responded specifically to me in the first place when I wasn't talking about you, but those who claimed last fall that N
33 Ikramerica : Then you are claiming it? You know, either piss or get off the pot. Either you are saying this is true or you aren't. But if you say BOTH, then no ma
34 Scbriml : They don't today, but they will in the future. They've made it perfectly clear that their 744 fleet will be replaced by A380s and one of A350-1000, 7
35 Jacobin777 : Different sources for different people (not that I'm saying you might not be correct, but there hasn't been a complete decision on multiple levels, a
36 Scbriml : They are expected to make a decision this year, it's not as though they're talking about placing an order in 2010. Yes, but they've made it perfectly
37 Flyglobal : I don't buy that. If you want to book FAR NRT with ANA ore the other way round you are faced with full planes. They are discussion to have another pl
38 Carpethead : You are comparing totally different things. EK & QR are up and coming carriers that need the capacity. AF & SQ have very big widebody fleets. NH on t
39 Aerokiwi : Ahhh I see now. So the RFP is to determine whether or not it would be financially sound to operate a small subfleet, INCLUDING the best-pricing optio
40 ER757 : Since your info usually comes from pretty reliable sources, I'd not question these with the possible exception of MH and maybe OZ (A380 seems to be t
41 Stitch : I don't see where OZ can use a 748 or an A388. They only flew their 744s between ICN and JFK and now Wiki implies those are going to be down-gauged to
42 Jacobin777 : Never implied it was anything as such...hence why I stated "certainly might". "Hurry" is relative...if Boeing were to say they will have an update to
43 Scbriml : No problem.
44 CHRISBA777ER : I'm an airline analyst mate - I speak to a lot of people at a lot of companies and also on occasion to the manufacturers themselves. I dont see the p
45 Scbriml : Well, I guess I'm in that camp. I was told last year that NH and the A380 was "a done deal". You can take it or leave it.
46 Aaron747 : Japan is not even developmentally similar to Germany anymore. Japan doesn't have any kind of open immigration policy, is mostly closed to direct fore
47 Stitch : I just hope OZ is not doing a "keeping up with the Jonses" and is ordering the A388 just because KE is. Of course, KE has to be hoping the same, sinc
48 Post contains links Jacobin777 : You are correct, however, when Boeing come out with the B787-10, it would "sandwich" the A350-1000..i.e. according to widebodyphotog's chart below, t
49 Post contains links N14AZ : I am not sure if someone posted this link: http://www.air-cosmos.com/site/afp.php?Id=080606095259.pulkg1np.xml
50 WINGS : How about a translation? Regards, Wings
51 N14AZ : I was hoping for our Canadian friends. Don't ask a German to translate a French article (don't you remember the wiring fiasco
52 Jacobin777 : According to google.com translation, it comes out to.. " Airbus continues to believe strongly in a commercial breakthrough of the A380 in Japan, and h
53 Scbriml : Glad you cleared that up for us!
54 Jacobin777 : Hey, you can't blame the messenger... I'm sure most here know what it means anyway...
55 Art : Quick translation: Airbus continues to firmly believe in a commercial breakthrough in Japan for the A380 and hopes that the success of the giant airc
56 ER757 : LMAO - great line!!!
57 ER757 : Pass the popcorn - this could be a good show......... Thanks for your sharing your insights. Realize that you can't say too much, but still wish you
58 Stitch : I'd still be surprised if NH buys the A380, not because it's an Airbus, but because it seems to be a major step in capacity. Then again, perhaps they
59 Aerokiwi : It appears then that some are above and beyond reasonable enquiry then. Lucky for you. I still don't understand how a deal of this magnitude, if it w
60 Stitch : I imagine the easy way is to keep it an MoU/LoI with no cash passed across the table. That way, at the UK show they can formally sign the contract ma
61 Scbriml : As per my post above, I was told last year it was "a done deal". Now, "a done deal" could range from a gentleman's agreement to a firm contract. Howe
62 N14AZ : Not long???? For me this is pure torture. However it is, I will sue this non-Chinese Asian airline for mental cruelty directly after Farnborough!
63 CHRISBA777ER : Ignore him Scbriml - he is just spoiling for an argument Round of applause for the man at the front! A voice of reason as always Stitch mate
64 Widebodyphotog : The guys with the Japanese flags next to their ID's are exactly right about the dynamics of the Japanese culture, economy, and aviation industry relat
65 Post contains links Scbriml : An interesting story: http://www.marketwatch.com/news/stor...9D%2D189EA48063DF%7D&dist=hplatest
66 Teme82 : Nice story if it's true. Man I do think that NH's livery looks good on A380
67 PM : I so much want to see you with egg on your face!
68 Stitch : I admit my contacts in NH still say it's not going to happen, but I also admit they don't have direct approval on major capital expenditures so they m
69 Frigatebird : I know PM, but wait till it's officially confirmed! Sorry to be a bit of a spoilsport
70 Post contains links and images Keesje : ANA CEO Yamamoto a year ago: Although ANA's mid-term plan for its fleet to include just three Boeing aircraft types — the small 737, mid-size 787 a
71 Kaneporta1 : Maybe Japanese and Americans won't fly as much as they used to, but someone will have to carry all those Chinese and Indian businessmen and tourists
72 Widebodyphotog : Nothing has been decided. This is an idea from the top man. Basically he has allowed the possibility to buy the A380. It will be looked at but no dec
73 Widebodyphotog : You make the mistake of assuming Yamamoto has the final say. First a consensus has to be built among all the top execs before this kind of decision i
74 MrBrightSide : Actually, most of gov't contracts (including USA, regardless of how that will piss people with American flags next to their ID's) are defined and dec
75 Post contains links Revelation : Seems like ANA has set up a committee to evaluate A380 and 747-8: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ee-to-evaluate-a380-and-747-8.html So it seem
76 Plairbus : AIRBUS can only win, what ever a japanease airline will order is a win for them! Boeing can only loose in this casebecause if japan is going all Boein
77 Solnabo : Would be great to see ANA / Asiana AND JL order A380 and that ANA go for A350 but I doubt the latter. If JAL goes for the A380 hell will freeze over,
78 Columba : I personally am stuck between a rock and a hard place: as much as I want ANA ordering the A380 and see Airbus win an important customer and win a new
79 Solnabo : Varom? Because LH is *for now* the only major carrier to have 748I on order? I personly can´t wait to see Airbus penetrate Boeingland. //Micke[Edite
80 Columba : That is why, LH is the only customer and before the roll out I wish at least three other airlines signing up for the 747-8I.
81 Post contains links Keesje : WBP I respect not repeating what others say but sticking by your own info & analyses Maybe I can influence your info: According to airline officials,
82 Post contains links Zeke : Yes indeed, remember when they said "ANA has ruled out the Airbus A380, according to Shuichi Fujimura vice president Network Planning, even to replac
83 Art : At current exchanges rates, the saving would be about $55 million a year. I assume they mean that saving should be generated using 5 aircraft. That's
84 Widebodyphotog : Cost saving is all well and good, but ANA is a serious and conservative company focused on passenger revenue generation. Besides that the analysis is
85 Post contains links and images Zeke : I would guess 12F/84J upstairs on the A380, and about 300Y downstairs in the ANA config. Their 777-300ER config is 247 seats, double that is 494. htt
86 Ikramerica : ANA has a small fleet of international 747s, and the Japanese air market is not growing. Thus it is not certain they need VLAs in the future, but if t
87 Art : WBP, if you read this I think you will see that it says the A380 can seat 560, not that ANA would use 560 seats. I presume that the ANA officials refe
88 Widebodyphotog : Absolutely incorrect. All freight carriage is much less profitable than combined operation simply due to the fact the freight must pay for the entire
89 Bmacleod : Whatever happened to NH's decision to settle on the 77W? I just can't picture a A380 in NH colors. Do they really need it? A 747-8I would look great i
90 Widebodyphotog : This is a silly statement which implies that an A380 burns less fuel than the current aircraft that operates the route. Does he mean that it will sav
91 Scbriml : QR was a launch customer for the A350, but that didn't stop them ordering the 787 as well. SQ, SU and VN have also ordered both A350s and 787s. Why w
92 Art : If 777's service the route at the moment, I can't see what else he could mean. The official could be misreported, perhaps by ellipsis (he may have ac
93 Widebodyphotog : I'll go with misquoted or misunderstood. I'm quite positive that someone had to translate the "Airline Official's" statements into English first... I
94 Post contains links Aviationbuff : ANA still examining A380, 747-8, status quo http://www.atwonline.com/channels/airlineprocurement/index.html So the decision will take its time, and no
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