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VS Double Daily To HKG (At Last!)  
User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 53
Posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 8220 times:

VS has today announced that the LHR-HKG service will operate twice a day from 28th October 2008. Initially it will only operate 3 times a week, on Tues/Thur/Sat but will go daily from 4th December 2008.

Times are :- LHR 16:00 HKG 12:30
HKG 14:15 LHR 19:20

Will be operated on an A340-600.

Now this has been announced before but never happened due to Oasis and Air NZ starting the route, but after the demise of Oasis, now might be the time it finally does "take off".

 Smile


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17428 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 8166 times:

That should help SYD quite a bit too.


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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5188 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 8154 times:

about time! I agree re: SYD should see an improvement in SYD-LHR loads!

User currently offlineDJEmbraer From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 8131 times:

Just a shame the extra flight won't extend on to SYD... maybe eventually??? Could end up as an overnighter in SYD...???

User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5188 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 8087 times:



Quoting DJEmbraer (Reply 3):
Just a shame the extra flight won't extend on to SYD... maybe eventually??? Could end up as an overnighter in SYD...???

It is a good thing it doesnt come to Australia. VS could fill the LHR-HKG flight with those pax alone, thus making the number of seats avaialble for SYD-LHR limited. this new service should help and improve the loads on the current VS200/201 SYD-HKG sector.


User currently offlineNickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1487 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 8062 times:



Quoting DJEmbraer (Reply 3):
Just a shame the extra flight won't extend on to SYD... maybe eventually??? Could end up as an overnighter in SYD...???

Not sure if UK carriers have sufficient rights from HKG to operate more fifth freedom flights to Australia. Whilst UK carriers can fly unlimited flights to Australia, they still need fifth freedom rights from the stopover city if they want to pick up passengers there enroute to Australia.
Also, extending the flight to SYD would defeat the purpose of providing for capacity for the HKG-LHR market which in turn frees up seats for through passengers SYD-LHR on the current flight.


User currently offlineChilledflyer From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7901 times:

at last?! I don't know whether any of you remember that VS did once upon a time operate 2 flights a day to HKG before 9/11 - but the extra frequency was axed very shortly after.

Had the joys of riding a 744 all the way to HKG on the Upper Deck....great trip that was.

-chilledflyer-



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User currently offlineB747-4U3 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2002, 990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7649 times:

I'm not convinced that the schedule for these flights is very good. I would imagine that VS had trouble finding better slots at LHR.

The afternoon departure and afternoon arrival in HKG means that a businessman would loose two working days. It would have been better leaving at 1130 and arriving at 0700. At least that way a businessman would only loose one working day. Then, on the return journey it could leave at 0930 and arrive a LHR at 1600 - which would mean it connects with more on arrival at LHR.


User currently offlineDJEmbraer From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7631 times:



Quoting Nickofatlanta (Reply 5):
Not sure if UK carriers have sufficient rights from HKG to operate more fifth freedom flights to Australia.

Good point, also a good point on the SYD-LHR loads. Although they seem to be doing quite well, so I wondered if a second flight wouldn't be such a bad thing.

R  Smile


User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2368 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7624 times:

I thought VS is not taking delivery of anymore A340-600s now. How did they manage this additional route?

Also, did they cut one of their LHR flights to do this, or did they buy a new slot?


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5188 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7567 times:



Quoting DJEmbraer (Reply 8):
Although they seem to be doing quite well, so I wondered if a second flight wouldn't be such a bad thing.

Perhaps they will drop the SYD-HKG leg in favour of it being operated by V Australia.

This owuld free up an A340-600 for the 2nd HKG frequency as well as increase capacity with a larger 777-300er on the SYD-HKG leg.

the timing of the daily frequncy is right around the time VA is starting to fly.


User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7567 times:



Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 9):
I thought VS is not taking delivery of anymore A340-600s now. How did they manage this additional route?

Also, did they cut one of their LHR flights to do this, or did they buy a new slot?

From Business Traveller:

"Virgin says that timetable changes and “more efficient use of the fleet” has enabled it to free up the aircraft for use on the additional service."


User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7557 times:

Daylight flights from Asia to UK are sometimes a bit less popular than overnight flights. SQ and CX sometimes do special offers to fill seats on these flights. They offer passengers from Australia a free hotel night in SIN or HKG if they will use these flights.

If you do take a morning departure from London and arrive early morning into HKG, do you really gain a business day? Many companies would not expect a person to go straight into meetings and make commitments off a 7 am arrival.


User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7545 times:



Quoting Leezyjet (Thread starter):
VS has today announced that the LHR-HKG service will operate twice a day from 28th October 2008. Initially it will only operate 3 times a week, on Tues/Thur/Sat but will go daily from 4th December 2008.

btw do you know anything about bookings yet? i wonder if they will satisfy those who want to go onto Oz via a quick en-route trip into Hong Kong for a meal, some photography, shopping, etc. by letting flight VS XXX be tagged onto the second part of VS200


User currently offlineTayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7529 times:

Co-incidence that Qantas announced an eventual 2nd daily service to HKG from MEL?

Virgin running LHR-HKG-SYD and LHR-HKG-MEL would be a nice little flipping of the bird to BA re: dropping MEL. As it stands, MEL-HKG is 100% oneworld services, a little bit of competition would be nice.


User currently offlineDJEmbraer From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7438 times:



Quoting Tayser (Reply 14):
Co-incidence that Qantas announced an eventual 2nd daily service to HKG from MEL?

Virgin running LHR-HKG-SYD and LHR-HKG-MEL would be a nice little flipping of the bird to BA re: dropping MEL. As it stands, MEL-HKG is 100% oneworld services, a little bit of competition would be nice.

Tayser, I like the way you think!!!!!! Actually, being a Canberran, before the DJ services to SYD were reinstated I was really bummed that the only VS flight to LHR was from SYD (VS was a no-brainer for me).


User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7327 times:



Quoting Swiftski (Reply 13):
by letting flight VS XXX be tagged onto the second part of VS200

They'll be VIR238/239, same numbers as the cancelled flights from 2 years ago.



A310/A319/20/21/A332/3/A343/6/A388/B732/5/7/8/B742/S/4/B752/B763/B772/3/W/E145/J41/MD11/83/90
User currently offlineAirbear From Australia, joined May 2001, 648 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks ago) and read 7213 times:



Quoting DJEmbraer (Reply 3):
Just a shame the extra flight won't extend on to SYD... maybe eventually??? Could end up as an overnighter in SYD...???

Can't be done, as the timings are all wrong. Assuming even just a 90min. stopover in HKG, a 1400 departure ex HKG would put the flight into SYD at about 0030 - 0100 hrs. So you run waayyy past the curfew, even if anyone actually wanted to get into SYD at 0100 - which I seriously doubt.

Timing-wise, MEL though would be a possibility, as no curfew.


User currently offlineDJEmbraer From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5260 times:



Quoting Airbear (Reply 17):
Can't be done, as the timings are all wrong.

Yeah, good point! So not SYD, but...

Quoting Airbear (Reply 17):
Timing-wise, MEL though would be a possibility, as no curfew.

... perhaps even BNE. Then again, your first point about arrival times would still hold (departure would be early morning as well wouldn't it?).


User currently offlineAirbear From Australia, joined May 2001, 648 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 5165 times:



Quoting DJEmbraer (Reply 18):
(departure would be early morning as well wouldn't it?).

It would be fine if the a/c departed again between 0730 - 0830, much as CX's flts. ex SYD & MEL do now. Into HKG at 1500 - 1600, giving you 2100 or so into LHR. That would be quite civilised both in HKG & LHR.

I wonder if VS could generate the traffic for a 2nd SYD service? MEL or BNE I'm sure. But as someone else pointed out, it is likely that V Aust. has its eye on something like that already. I remember a quote from Brett Godfrey in a newspaper article a while back, when upon being asked about if there were "other V.Aust routes" already planned, he said something to the effect of "well, we have to do something with the 7 jets on order. You don't keep 7 B777's occupied with just a daily service to LAX".

So ... who knows? Particularly now, with the oil-price crisis, I can see VS terminating in HKG or elsewhere in Asia, just like every other European based airline has done with their Australia routes, and just meeting up the V Aust. flight(s) ex SYD or wherever.


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8549 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 5139 times:
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Quoting Airbear (Reply 19):
I can see VS terminating in HKG or elsewhere in Asia, just like every other European based airline has done with their Australia routes,

almost every other European airline - I believe that BA still has a token flight to SYD with their own metal ( I am sure that I would have heard the screams of anguish if it had been pulled )



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User currently offlineOzvirginuk From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 396 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5032 times:



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 20):
almost every other European airline - I believe that BA still has a token flight to SYD with their own metal ( I am sure that I would have heard the screams of anguish if it had been pulled )

Token flight?? They actually operate double daily into SYD.

BA15/BA16 routes LHR-SIN-SYD operated by a 777-200

BA9/BA10 routes LHR-BKK-SYD operated by a 747-400

I know the VS SYD flight does a lot better these days, with very high load factors. BA did downgrade the BA15/BA16 to a 777 sometime last year, but they operate an additional LHR-SIN on a 747-400 (BA11/12)

I think they'd both be foolish to pull SYD, as that would leave QF operating the only direct flights.. Now that I've moved back to Oz, I am flying QF alot more (weekly at the moment), but I think that both VS and BA out do them in the product stakes..

As I used to work for VS, I'm gutted this additional HKG comes after I have no more concessions.. Non-Revving on the LHR-HKG-SYD was always a very nerve racking experience...


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5188 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5011 times:



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 20):
I believe that BA still has a token flight to SYD with their own metal

2 actually - 1 x 777 and one 747 service


User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4992 times:

The UK Australia bilateral is not yet Open Skies. I think the limit is 28 flights each week. Qantas is using the complete Australian entitlement with SYD-SIN-LHR, SYD-BKK-LHR, MEL-SIN-LHR and MEL-HKG-LHR. The UK is only using 21 BA LHR-SIN-SYD, LHR-BKK-SYD, and VS LHR-HKG-SYD. BA withdrew its LHR-SIN-MEL, and Qantas replaced that with the Joint Service Agreement flight through HKG. So an airline from the UK could use the 7 weekly flights to Australia. It could be VS, flying to MEL, but not through HKG. OR VS could use the 7 weekly flights to add more flights to SYD, which would disappoint everyone who lives outside Sydney. It could be a UK carrier other than BA or VS. If UK or Europe does start an OpenSkies with Australia, we might expect airlines like First Choice to fly 787s to Australia. Now that the Virgin Group has bought a stake in Air Asia X, I wonder if Virgin Holidays will use AAX as a carrier to Australia or just as far as Asia.

User currently offlineOzvirginuk From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 396 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4930 times:



Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 23):
I think the limit is 28 flights each week.

Unless this has changed recently, I think it must be more. In the not too distant past, BA used to operate double daily to SYD (1 via SIN and 1 via BKK), daily to MEL vis SIN, daily to BNE via SIN an also PER .

That totals 35 per week (assuming each was daily, which I'm not 100% sure about PER)

Also, I read (on here) that QF is thinking of launching a 2nd daily HKG-LHR. Again, that would mean that they operate 5 dailies to LHR..


25 B747-4U3 : I agree with you, but at least a morning arrival gives you the option of going to work that day. It also increases the amount of possible connections
26 ANstar : I think this changed about 2 years ago - roughly around the time the HKG flights were extended. Any UK/AU airline has unlimited capacity now between
27 Airbear : Well... OK. For the sake of 100% accuracy, let's say ALMOST all the Euro carriers have pulled out of Oz. But with LH-then-DE-then-LH again, AZ, KL, O
28 Theginge : I imagine VS are not putting the SYD on the 2nd service as it means an additional aircraft is needed for the route.
29 Leezyjet : It takes 3 a/c to operate LHR-HKG-SYD daily, where as 2 are needed to operate the LHR-HKG-LHR sector daily. The extra route is to provide capacity to
30 Humberside : They could do that already couldnt they as a charter airline?
31 ANstar : The charters already come here at certain times of the year.
32 Post contains links Macilree : The Australian Minister's media statement from 7 July 2006 announcing the outcome of the last Australia-UK air services negotiations is available her
33 DavidByrne : . . . plus CHC weekly for a period, non-stop from PER and then triangulated back to PER via AKL
34 Aerofan : Well, seems to me that they will have to cancel one of their flights that use a A346 currently in order to free up an aircraft for this new frequency.
35 Cabinboy : rumour is the VS25 is for the scrapheap..
36 Aerofan : Aw shucks!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's my fave for non revving on. Ah man that sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!
37 APYu : I heard this too. Thats a great way of saying we are dropping a route.
38 Ozvirginuk : Actually, that would make sense. The block times for the VS25/26 are quite long, meaning that it's realistic that this aircraft could be used for a H
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