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? On SATA's A310 Lajes-YHM-OAK  
User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6902 posts, RR: 7
Posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3315 times:

Arrived OAK 1625 PDT on 10 June, says Flightaware-- when I saw it on downwind for runway 29 it rather looked like an A310-200. Zat possible?

Flightaware says they stopped at YHM-- why there? Just a fuel stop, or passengers too?

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User currently offlineAirAmericaC46 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 590 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3311 times:

Anybody knows if this is a series of charter flights or only one?

User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3286 times:



Quoting AirAmericaC46 (Reply 1):
Anybody knows if this is a series of charter flights or only one?

Seasonal charter flights to feed the large ex-pat community from the Azores in Northern California.


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8650 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3270 times:

They are a regular scheduled carrier based in the Azores who fly year-round and seasonal service to the US under the brand name Azores Express:
http://www.azores-express.com/
As of next month SATA and TAP will have fully reciprocal frequent flier programs.


User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3251 times:

SATA International (S4 236)


dep: 18:00 - Oakland (OAK) terminal 1
arr: 12:00 - Terceira Island (TER) terminal

equipment: Airbus Industrie A310


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8650 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3225 times:

I don't know the details of the OAK service but the BOS service is not a charter flight. You can buy a ticket with them on Orbitz for example.

User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11701 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3141 times:



Quoting Timz (Thread starter):
it rather looked like an A310-200. Zat possible?

Nope, even though it says in some schedules that they operate A310-200 equipment, they don't - all of their A310s are the -300 series.


Dan  Smile



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33278 posts, RR: 71
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3094 times:

Just because you can buy tickets on Orbitz does not make it a scheduled flight. It is a public charter flight to all thier US destinations including Boston. Many charter flights including those on SATA are sold through public booking engines.


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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11701 posts, RR: 60
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3077 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
Many charter flights including those on SATA are sold through public booking engines.

Some very decent prices too if you're booking in advance - I saw TER-BOS for €178 one way, not bad!


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User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5129 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2993 times:

I am on the flight in a few weeks. Will try to do a TR.

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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5950 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2911 times:
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These seasonal, scheduled charter flights have been going on for years...not always consistent on the airline, however. It usually runs from now to about mid-September, I believe.

User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8650 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2759 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
Just because you can buy tickets on Orbitz does not make it a scheduled flight. It is a public charter flight to all thier US destinations including Boston. Many charter flights including those on SATA are sold through public booking engines.

OK, so what makes it a charter flight?
SATA is a regular network carrier with scheduled service, a frequent flier program, business class, and all the amenities of a full service airline. These flights are seasonal but scheduled. It is operated by SATA and for SATA. Is there some technicality like an operating license that makes it a charter?


User currently offlineFly_yhm From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1681 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2674 times:

To Answer the question yes its seasonal and yes its a fuel stop.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33278 posts, RR: 71
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2578 times:



Quoting Airbazar (Reply 11):

OK, so what makes it a charter flight?

This contract:

http://www.abreu-tours.com/static_us/sata.pdf

The money for the flight is held in escrow and is not given to SATA until the charter flight actually occurs. So even though a passenger might pay for a ticket via Orbitz four months in advance, SATA does not see a dime until it takes off.



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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3420 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2564 times:

PVD-PDL seasonal service starts on 6/20.

User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8650 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2479 times:

Cool, thanks.
I've also noticed in BOS that when there are 2 flight on the same day, typically one is operated by SATA (A310) and the other is usually a North American Airlines 752. I wonder if only of those is the charter or both of them are.


User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4409 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2453 times:

If you want to go to a nice quiet place, Terceira is a great place.

I boarded an A310 that came from the US and continued to LIS there last year. More than half of the passengers from the US were young men, all in some green/brownish funny clothes, and the most funny each of them had a gun in his hand. I assume somebody called tax payer had paid for their tickets.


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8650 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2380 times:



Quoting Burkhard (Reply 16):
I boarded an A310 that came from the US and continued to LIS there last year. More than half of the passengers from the US were young men, all in some green/brownish funny clothes, and the most funny each of them had a gun in his hand. I assume somebody called tax payer had paid for their tickets.

You mean, the guys who vacation..ahem, work here? http://www.lajes.af.mil/  Smile


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25989 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2291 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
Quoting Airbazar (Reply 11):

OK, so what makes it a charter flight?

This contract:

http://www.abreu-tours.com/static_us/sata.pdf

The money for the flight is held in escrow and is not given to SATA until the charter flight actually occurs. So even though a passenger might pay for a ticket via Orbitz four months in advance, SATA does not see a dime until it takes off.

SATA flights are in Amadeus and the OAG. Normally you won't find charter flights in those systems.


User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 4059 posts, RR: 30
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2242 times:



Quoting Airbazar (Reply 3):
As of next month SATA and TAP will have fully reciprocal frequent flier programs.

Cool. I'll be flying BOS - LIS in December, I hope I can get the miles in my TAP account even though I booked it via SATA.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
It is a public charter flight to all thier US destinations including Boston.

Boston might technically be a charter but it is quite regular - Tuesdays and Fridays year-round, I believe.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33278 posts, RR: 71
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2238 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 18):

SATA flights are in Amadeus and the OAG. Normally you won't find charter flights in those systems.

Normally you don't, sometimes you do. Air Transat, SATA, and Skyservice are among charter airlines that sell seats via public reservation systems. In addition, schedules airlines like Finnair and TAM sell their scheduled charter routes (like TAM's Miami-Natal flights or Finnair's Helsinki-Toronto flights) on Amadeus.

Selling scheduled charter flights via public systems allows airlines to sell-out charter flights with much more ease and gives better exposure. Just because it's on GDS, however, doesn't make it a regularly scheduled flight. Public charter flights are often listed on Amadeus, OAG, etc.

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 19):

Boston might technically be a charter but it is quite regular - Tuesdays and Fridays year-round, I believe.

Correct. It is a scheduled charter. Charters don't all operate on inconsistent schedules or as one-offs. American Eagle, for example, has a daily charter flight from Miami to Havana that has operated on the same schedule and flight number for years.

SATA's flights are scheduled, public charters. To the traveling public, it really is all just a technicality and doesn't make much of a difference.

[Edited 2008-06-14 19:32:53]

[Edited 2008-06-14 19:33:17]


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25989 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 2055 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 20):
Normally you don't, sometimes you do. Air Transat, SATA, and Skyservice are among charter airlines that sell seats via public reservation systems. In addition, schedules airlines like Finnair and TAM sell their scheduled charter routes (like TAM's Miami-Natal flights or Finnair's Helsinki-Toronto flights) on Amadeus.

The Canadian carriers you mention have scheduled traffic rights on the routes where they display and sell their schedules in GDS systems. While most of their seats are probably still contracted to wholesalers, they sell a certain percentage of seats like any other scheduled carrier and there is no difference in the financial arrangements. If they haven't been designated as a scheduled carrier for the countries in question, as far as I know they can't publish their schedules in the major reservations systems and have to handle them as pure charters. It may be different in the U.S.

The same is true of quite a few carriers in Europe that once were pure charter carriers (Martinair, Condor, LTU etc.) but now have scheduled traffic rights, although like the Canadian leisure carriers, they probably still sell the bulk of their seats through wholesalers.

[Edited 2008-06-15 16:34:13]

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