Aviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1360 posts, RR: 11 Posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3249 times:
Some late 1970s, early 1980s memories from Boston-Logan:
Braniff's home at BOS was the corner of terminal E, back when it was known as the Volpe terminal. They had the same gates used today by Northwest (NW was at the far end of terminal B). Just as Northwest would do later on, Braniff ran a sort of mini-hub out of Logan, with a bank of nightly departures to Europe. Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Paris. And of course London, which it operated with a 747. This in addition to the domestic runs, flown almost exclusively with 727s. I remember seeing Braniff's Calder 727s and DC-8s at Logan a few times, plus all the others: red, orange, purple, green, blue.
Air New England, et al
Ah, remember when regionals were called "commuters" and operated independently? Air New England had the biggest commuter operation at BOS, flying loads of Twin Otters and FH-227s. Plus the occasional Convair, usually leased from Aspen.
And the other commuter regulars: Bar Harbor, PBA, Pilgrim, Allegheny Commuter. Downeast. PBAs DC-3s were around till '84 or so. Who am I forgetting?
To London, Paris, and Rome, I think. There was a "Boston Express" logo painted near the nose. That was '79 I think. They didn't have the SPs for very long.
Not to mention TWA's other visitors. The only 707 I ever flew aboard was a TWA plane -- a round-robin scenic flight that cost $10 as part of a Jimmy Fund promotion in 1978. I was in 7th grade.
A300s on the Shuttle! Plus, throwing snowballs at those silver-skinned DC-9s and L-1011s from the roof of the old terminal A (which was designed by the same firm that built the World Trade Center, and, honestly, was a cooler building than the Terminal A now in its place.)
World Airways, ONA, Trans-International, Capitol. DC-10s, DC-8s, 747s.
On the Cargo Side
FedEx Falcon 20s! Flying Tigers DC-8s. Seaboard World 747s. American 707Fs. And that Bristol Britannia (the only one I've ever seen), that crashed in Billerica one night after takeoff. What was that airline again? Redcoat Cargo?
And all of this, of course, was readily viewed by the old 16th floor observation deck, now closed. What a great spot that was -- arguably the single best airport observation point in the world.
If you're interested, I wrote an article about that 16th floor deck, and about BOS in general, that you can read here:
LH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 53
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3210 times:
Thanks for that, Aviateur. I'm a bit younger than you so I don't remember the days of Braniff or the days of PanAm and TWA 747s, however some classics I remember.
British Airways, TWA, and Delta L-1011s
Delta and US Airways Shuttle 727s from the old schemes
Carnival 737s and A300s
I also remember the great view from the observation deck and one special day where thanks to a connection my dad knew I got to go up into the tower and check out the operations. I'll also have fond memories from the Terminal B parking garage.
Thanks. Great homage to a great airport with such history.
However, I'm getting an error message when I try the link you've posted. Might just want to give that a double check and I look forward to reading it.
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Lambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3195 times:
No one has mentioned the older Northwest Airlines DC-10's and 747's to Europe from Boston. Or the good old days of Northwest Airlines Trans-Con services from Boston to SFO, LAX, and Seattle.. Oh the good old days!
Aviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1360 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3159 times:
Re: Northwest at BOS
I was a pilot for NW Airlink (Northeast Express, now defunct) during Northwest's heydays at Logan, 1990-1994, based out of BOS. We fed their nightly departures to Gatwick, Frankfurt, Paris, and Amsterdam. Plus Glasgow, if I remember right. At least one of those flights (London) was a 747-200. The rest were DC-10s. When we had stretches of days off, we'd jumpseat over to Europe.
Today, the only remnant of those routes is the nightly Amsterdam flight. Same flight number, 48/49.
Prior to that, I remember NW's Prestwick, Shannon, and Copenhagen routes out of BOS, using both 747s and DC-10s.
In fact, NW may hold the record for the most nonstop European cities flown out of BOS -- albeit not all at the same time.
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BOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1996 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3083 times:
I was born in 1987 but I remember when AA had a much bigger presence than it does now. My first flight was on them from BOS-TPA in 1993. Now the only Florida destination they serve is MIA.
So what happened to the hubs? Did they go as soon as the airlines running them went out of business? NW left due to the end of a commuter airline (Republic?) and AA, while BOS may not have been a hub, for whatever reason keeps shrinking here. It would be nice to see BOS become a hub again but it's good that no particular airline controls the market.
ItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1101 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3063 times:
When i lived in BOS as a kid in the late 80s and early 90s DL,AA,US,UA,TW,EA and of course NW all had large presences....with NW being the only one calling it a "hub" and DL being a close second. Wonder why the pull down (or what appears to be a pull down) over the past 10 years. I know MHT and PVD have taken some of the suburban traffic away. And MASSPORT took its sweet time updating the facilities. Any idea or observations?
ChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4175 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3060 times:
What a great topic! I lived in suburban Boston (Concord) during the 1970s and into the very early 1980s before moving up to southern New Hampshire.
I also flew on AA 11 several times, the first being in 1973 when it was a DC-10 with the piano bar (!) in the rear. Sadly, I also saw the ill-fated AA 11 767 lifting off from Logan on 9/11. I remember it distinctly, as I was on a commuter rail train just pulling into North Station and I saw her pass over the Bunker Hill Monument.
Other memories: I was at Logan once in the mid-1970s and being shocked at seeing an Aer Lingus 747. At the time, the service to Shannon was a 707...or so I thought.
I also recall the TWA 747-SPs which connected Boston with both Rome and Los Angeles, and, yes, there was some unique graphics on the nose of that plane.
Other short-lived services: BWIA with a L1011-500 or -250 (not sure which); I recall seeing an Olympic 747 in the 1990s; United 747 'Friendship' service on the BOS-SFO route in summers (AA 747s to LAX in summers as well); occasional British Airways VC-10s during the winter; American Airlines 707 cargo jets; Eastern Airlines 757s. Delta 757s between Boston and Portland, Maine (!); Sabena DC-10s.
Also, the whole concept of 'Double Dailies' on European runs was unheard of! Each airline had ONE flight and that was it.
Well, again, as you said, no airline ever maintained a full hub. However, in the face of rising fuel prices and the increased presence of LCCs, the traditional airlines have been retrenching into their hubs. So while AA, in particular, has severely cut back their service, airlines like jetBlue and AirTran have gone from not even flying to BOS or having minimal service to the main hub cities, to have respectable networks. In fact, B6 now flies to more non-stop destinations from BOS than any other airline and BOS is now the second biggest city in their network. Not bad for an airline that didn't even fly to BOS five years ago.
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Nyc77k From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2998 times:
During the mid 90s I would travel a few times a year DCA-BOS-YUL and back on DL. YUL and BOS were usually a 72S, but for a few years the first flight of the day was a 762, routing was YUL-BOS-ATL-PBI. Flight usually had about 30 people aboard. They also served breakfest. The flight from YUL would usually park between two L10s going to MCO and ATL. BOS looked pretty great with all the widebodies.
PWM2TXLHopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1366 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2957 times:
I miss seeing the giant green Aer Lingus 747 classics that would come in from DUB.
And of course Eastern, TWA, Pan Am, People Express, and I think Piedmont was there too?
Can't forget the disaster in 1981 when the World DC-10 went off the end of the runway into the harbor and broke apart.
Oh, and I remember fondly the days not too long ago when you could spend all day spotting on top of the Terminal B parking garage without being confronted by the state police and being forced to leave.
Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 11): with NW being the only one calling it a "hub" and DL being a close second.
If anybody ever had a true Hub there it was Business Express (Delta Connection) We use to have flight between BOS and PWM every hour from 7am-7pm. Most other cities throughout the Northeast did as well. They almost always had a dozen planes or more on the apron. Prior to the late 1990's when they only flew SF-340's, in the late 80's and early 1990's you'd see the -340's on the ramp along with B1900's and Bae-146's.
Ordpark From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 579 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2948 times:
Ah the memories!!! BOS is, and always will be, my favorite airport....I've been in the industry for over 36 years now, but I started on the ramp with Executive Airlines in 1973 - than to Air New England after Exec failed...I returned to BOS last year with my daughter and the first thing I had to do was go visit the ramp area (my daughter thinks I'm crazy, by the way, but humored me none the less) But looking out over that ramp brought back such great memories! I guess you really have to be an airplane geek to fully understand that. The 16th floor observation deck was indeed the greatest public deck I have ever seen but BOS had some great outside decks as well...most notably on the roof of what is now the JetBlue and United piers....
One can only hope that some day, some airport will be able to open up an outdoor deck again...I'm convinced that kids get hooked on aviation by being able to get close to airplanes and observation decks go a long way towards that end...
DL still does, although they keep adding and subtracting flights.
AA back in 2004 served over 30 destinations, which is where B6 is right now. I wonder how big they were at their apex here in BOS.
US still has a focus city, but they've been stagnant lately.
UA had a big presence? Where did they fly to from here? I know they went to LHR at one point. Did they serve anywhere outside of there and its hubs?
TW probably gave some of its routes to AA when it merged.
EA is gone.
Braniff I believe ended the BOS hub when they went under.
Passenger numbers have increased, certainly the number of flights have right? I think that despite the diminishing of some focus cities here people don't realize the number of flights each airline has. Look at B6. Yes, they serve over 30 destinations, but look at how many of these destinations have more than one flight.
Tommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7008 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2868 times:
Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 19): UA had a big presence? Where did they fly to from here? I know they went to LHR at one point. Did they serve anywhere outside of there and its hubs?
I think they peaked around 2000 with just shy of 50 flights per day to all the hubs plus JFK on an A320 and LHR, which was operated with a 763 until post 9/11. UA still has a base there, and be thankful you guys still have that. Airports like EWR, JFK, and MIA have since lost much of mainline UA presence since those bases have closed.
Cs03 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2769 times:
Yes, taking Precision Airlines from RUT to BOS was always a thrill, with a stop at VSF and EEN. In 1978, a Piper was used, then Beech 99, and finally the Dornier 228. I remember the bar on the floor below the observation deck well, and seeing the American Airlines 707 freighters on the North Ramp. Another memory is the disinct sound of a PBA DC3 heading to the Cape!
: There are plenty of them, most notably AMS and FRA.
: Ah.....NW Airlink! Remember them well and flew on them often between BOS and YQM (Moncton). For awhile in the ‘90s they had the Maritimes pretty we
: My memory is from '83/'85, flying Piedmont 737-200s nonstop from EWR to BOS to go to Ted Williams baseball camp.
: I'd imagine their peak was right after they took over BizEx. BizEx has quite the operation back in the day, easily the busiest airline at BOS. Since
: One minor correction: Braniff never flew BOS-London. Braniff's only route to London was from D / FW. For many years, Pan Am, TWA, and BOAC / British