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User currently offlineAviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1351 posts, RR: 12
Posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3073 times:

Some late 1970s, early 1980s memories from Boston-Logan:


Braniff

Braniff's home at BOS was the corner of terminal E, back when it was known as the Volpe terminal. They had the same gates used today by Northwest (NW was at the far end of terminal B). Just as Northwest would do later on, Braniff ran a sort of mini-hub out of Logan, with a bank of nightly departures to Europe. Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Paris. And of course London, which it operated with a 747. This in addition to the domestic runs, flown almost exclusively with 727s. I remember seeing Braniff's Calder 727s and DC-8s at Logan a few times, plus all the others: red, orange, purple, green, blue.


Air New England, et al

Ah, remember when regionals were called "commuters" and operated independently? Air New England had the biggest commuter operation at BOS, flying loads of Twin Otters and FH-227s. Plus the occasional Convair, usually leased from Aspen.

And the other commuter regulars: Bar Harbor, PBA, Pilgrim, Allegheny Commuter. Downeast. PBAs DC-3s were around till '84 or so. Who am I forgetting?


TWA 747SPs

To London, Paris, and Rome, I think. There was a "Boston Express" logo painted near the nose. That was '79 I think. They didn't have the SPs for very long.

Not to mention TWA's other visitors. The only 707 I ever flew aboard was a TWA plane -- a round-robin scenic flight that cost $10 as part of a Jimmy Fund promotion in 1978. I was in 7th grade.


Eastern

A300s on the Shuttle! Plus, throwing snowballs at those silver-skinned DC-9s and L-1011s from the roof of the old terminal A (which was designed by the same firm that built the World Trade Center, and, honestly, was a cooler building than the Terminal A now in its place.)


Charters!

World Airways, ONA, Trans-International, Capitol. DC-10s, DC-8s, 747s.


On the Cargo Side

FedEx Falcon 20s! Flying Tigers DC-8s. Seaboard World 747s. American 707Fs. And that Bristol Britannia (the only one I've ever seen), that crashed in Billerica one night after takeoff. What was that airline again? Redcoat Cargo?



And all of this, of course, was readily viewed by the old 16th floor observation deck, now closed. What a great spot that was -- arguably the single best airport observation point in the world.

If you're interested, I wrote an article about that 16th floor deck, and about BOS in general, that you can read here:

Logan redux, and the deeper meaning of airports: http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/2006/03/17/askthepilot178/

The story was originally commissioned by Boston Magazine, but they never ran it. Eventually I sold it to Salon instead.

Hey this is a good idea maybe -- a series of "memories of" threads, featuring different airports from different time periods.


PS

[Edited 2008-06-11 17:43:53]


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User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3034 times:

Thanks for that, Aviateur. I'm a bit younger than you so I don't remember the days of Braniff or the days of PanAm and TWA 747s, however some classics I remember.


  • British Airways, TWA, and Delta L-1011s
  • Delta and US Airways Shuttle 727s from the old schemes
  • Eastwind 737s
  • Carnival 737s and A300s
  • Kiwi 727s
  • Swissair 747-300s
  • Sabena A310s


Amongst others.

I also remember the great view from the observation deck and one special day where thanks to a connection my dad knew I got to go up into the tower and check out the operations. I'll also have fond memories from the Terminal B parking garage.

Thanks. Great homage to a great airport with such history.

However, I'm getting an error message when I try the link you've posted. Might just want to give that a double check and I look forward to reading it.

LH423



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User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3019 times:

Awe...

No one has mentioned the older Northwest Airlines DC-10's and 747's to Europe from Boston. Or the good old days of Northwest Airlines Trans-Con services from Boston to SFO, LAX, and Seattle.. Oh the good old days!


User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 649 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3014 times:

1980's...

Northwest Orient DC-10's to Minneapolis, Chicago, and points out west.

Delta 727's to Atlanta, Chicago, Bangor, etc.

TWA 747's to London, 727 service to Chicago, St. Louis. etc.

United DC-10's to Chicago

American DC-10's to Chicago


User currently offlineAviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1351 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2991 times:



Quoting LH423 (Reply 1):
However, I'm getting an error message when I try the link you've posted. Might just want to give that a double check and I look forward to reading it.

Try this one...
http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/2006/03/17/askthpilot178/

PS



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User currently offlineAviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1351 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2983 times:

Re: Northwest at BOS

I was a pilot for NW Airlink (Northeast Express, now defunct) during Northwest's heydays at Logan, 1990-1994, based out of BOS. We fed their nightly departures to Gatwick, Frankfurt, Paris, and Amsterdam. Plus Glasgow, if I remember right. At least one of those flights (London) was a 747-200. The rest were DC-10s. When we had stretches of days off, we'd jumpseat over to Europe.

Today, the only remnant of those routes is the nightly Amsterdam flight. Same flight number, 48/49.

Prior to that, I remember NW's Prestwick, Shannon, and Copenhagen routes out of BOS, using both 747s and DC-10s.

In fact, NW may hold the record for the most nonstop European cities flown out of BOS -- albeit not all at the same time.

PS



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User currently offlineAviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1351 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2982 times:



Quoting TWA1985 (Reply 3):
American DC-10's to Chicago

Or American DC-10s to LAX. Flight 11. Originally a 707. I rode that flight several times when it was a DC-10. It eventually became a 767 and, well, you know the rest....


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User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2943 times:

Delta 727s to YUL and PWM too!!! With an L-1011 to BDL that originated in BDA i believe.

User currently offlineRcardinale From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2927 times:

I am much too young to remember most of what has been posted before

More recently
Sabena A330's
AA Fokkers

My most memorable moment at BOS was watching the British Airways concorde land here a few Augusts ago G-BOAD


User currently offlineAviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1351 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2921 times:

Oh, and when the DC-10s were grounded by the FAA in '79.... Swissair and Alitalia DC-8s. United 747-100s to Chicago.

And yes, DL flew TriStars daily to Bermuda.

DL's Bermuda service is one of the few old school flights still left over, now using a 737-800. Not sure if it's the same flight number.

AA flew a DC-10 from BOS to BDA. In fact that was the first "international" flight I ever rode on. I have a picture of the plane somewhere at my parents house. Ship 121. 1979.


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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1988 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2907 times:

I was born in 1987 but I remember when AA had a much bigger presence than it does now. My first flight was on them from BOS-TPA in 1993. Now the only Florida destination they serve is MIA.

So what happened to the hubs? Did they go as soon as the airlines running them went out of business? NW left due to the end of a commuter airline (Republic?) and AA, while BOS may not have been a hub, for whatever reason keeps shrinking here. It would be nice to see BOS become a hub again but it's good that no particular airline controls the market.



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User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2887 times:

When i lived in BOS as a kid in the late 80s and early 90s DL,AA,US,UA,TW,EA and of course NW all had large presences....with NW being the only one calling it a "hub" and DL being a close second. Wonder why the pull down (or what appears to be a pull down) over the past 10 years. I know MHT and PVD have taken some of the suburban traffic away. And MASSPORT took its sweet time updating the facilities. Any idea or observations?

User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4083 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2884 times:

What a great topic! I lived in suburban Boston (Concord) during the 1970s and into the very early 1980s before moving up to southern New Hampshire.

I also flew on AA 11 several times, the first being in 1973 when it was a DC-10 with the piano bar (!) in the rear. Sadly, I also saw the ill-fated AA 11 767 lifting off from Logan on 9/11. I remember it distinctly, as I was on a commuter rail train just pulling into North Station and I saw her pass over the Bunker Hill Monument.

Other memories: I was at Logan once in the mid-1970s and being shocked at seeing an Aer Lingus 747. At the time, the service to Shannon was a 707...or so I thought.

I also recall the TWA 747-SPs which connected Boston with both Rome and Los Angeles, and, yes, there was some unique graphics on the nose of that plane.

Other short-lived services: BWIA with a L1011-500 or -250 (not sure which); I recall seeing an Olympic 747 in the 1990s; United 747 'Friendship' service on the BOS-SFO route in summers (AA 747s to LAX in summers as well); occasional British Airways VC-10s during the winter; American Airlines 707 cargo jets; Eastern Airlines 757s. Delta 757s between Boston and Portland, Maine (!); Sabena DC-10s.

Also, the whole concept of 'Double Dailies' on European runs was unheard of! Each airline had ONE flight and that was it.


User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2831 times:



Quoting Aviateur (Reply 4):
Try this one...

Thanks!

Quoting Aviateur (Reply 5):
Plus Glasgow, if I remember right.

Indeed. NW served PIK.

Quoting Aviateur (Reply 5):
Same flight number, 48/49.

Was that the traditional flight number? Current AMS flight numbers are 37/38 and 59/60.

Quoting Rcardinale (Reply 8):
My most memorable moment at BOS was watching the British Airways concorde land here a few Augusts ago G-BOAD

Sure that wasn't October of 2003? Did you happen to see it take off? If you did...*ahem* I was on it *end self gloss*

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 10):
So what happened to the hubs?

Well, again, as you said, no airline ever maintained a full hub. However, in the face of rising fuel prices and the increased presence of LCCs, the traditional airlines have been retrenching into their hubs. So while AA, in particular, has severely cut back their service, airlines like jetBlue and AirTran have gone from not even flying to BOS or having minimal service to the main hub cities, to have respectable networks. In fact, B6 now flies to more non-stop destinations from BOS than any other airline and BOS is now the second biggest city in their network. Not bad for an airline that didn't even fly to BOS five years ago.

LH423



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User currently offlineNyc77k From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2822 times:

During the mid 90s I would travel a few times a year DCA-BOS-YUL and back on DL. YUL and BOS were usually a 72S, but for a few years the first flight of the day was a 762, routing was YUL-BOS-ATL-PBI. Flight usually had about 30 people aboard. They also served breakfest. The flight from YUL would usually park between two L10s going to MCO and ATL. BOS looked pretty great with all the widebodies.

User currently offlinePWM2TXLHopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2781 times:

I miss seeing the giant green Aer Lingus 747 classics that would come in from DUB.

And of course Eastern, TWA, Pan Am, People Express, and I think Piedmont was there too?

Can't forget the disaster in 1981 when the World DC-10 went off the end of the runway into the harbor and broke apart.

Oh, and I remember fondly the days not too long ago when you could spend all day spotting on top of the Terminal B parking garage without being confronted by the state police and being forced to leave.

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 11):
with NW being the only one calling it a "hub" and DL being a close second.

If anybody ever had a true Hub there it was Business Express (Delta Connection) We use to have flight between BOS and PWM every hour from 7am-7pm. Most other cities throughout the Northeast did as well. They almost always had a dozen planes or more on the apron. Prior to the late 1990's when they only flew SF-340's, in the late 80's and early 1990's you'd see the -340's on the ramp along with B1900's and Bae-146's.

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 7):
Delta 727s to YUL and PWM too!!

And 757's and DC-9's as well to PWM. They also had mainline flights to MHT which is even close to Boston than PWM!

USair also had DC-9's to PWM as well! A mere 100 miles away!

[Edited 2008-06-11 20:57:06]

[Edited 2008-06-11 20:59:50]

User currently offlineOrdpark From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 573 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2772 times:
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Ah the memories!!! BOS is, and always will be, my favorite airport....I've been in the industry for over 36 years now, but I started on the ramp with Executive Airlines in 1973 - than to Air New England after Exec failed...I returned to BOS last year with my daughter and the first thing I had to do was go visit the ramp area (my daughter thinks I'm crazy, by the way, but humored me none the less) But looking out over that ramp brought back such great memories! I guess you really have to be an airplane geek to fully understand that. The 16th floor observation deck was indeed the greatest public deck I have ever seen but BOS had some great outside decks as well...most notably on the roof of what is now the JetBlue and United piers....

One can only hope that some day, some airport will be able to open up an outdoor deck again...I'm convinced that kids get hooked on aviation by being able to get close to airplanes and observation decks go a long way towards that end...


User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2752 times:

A few others. Piedmont and Midway both the original and the reincarnation.

I also remember meeting a friend of a friend off a NW flight from RSW. That doesn't happen anymore.

LH423



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User currently offlineWidgetBoi From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1432 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2733 times:

Wow, I picked the wrong time to live in Boston.


:-/


User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1988 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2699 times:



Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 11):
DL,AA,US,UA,TW,EA and of course NW all had large presences

DL still does, although they keep adding and subtracting flights.
AA back in 2004 served over 30 destinations, which is where B6 is right now. I wonder how big they were at their apex here in BOS.
US still has a focus city, but they've been stagnant lately.
UA had a big presence? Where did they fly to from here? I know they went to LHR at one point. Did they serve anywhere outside of there and its hubs?
TW probably gave some of its routes to AA when it merged.
EA is gone.
Braniff I believe ended the BOS hub when they went under.

Passenger numbers have increased, certainly the number of flights have right? I think that despite the diminishing of some focus cities here people don't realize the number of flights each airline has. Look at B6. Yes, they serve over 30 destinations, but look at how many of these destinations have more than one flight.



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User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2692 times:



Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 19):
UA had a big presence? Where did they fly to from here? I know they went to LHR at one point. Did they serve anywhere outside of there and its hubs?

I think they peaked around 2000 with just shy of 50 flights per day to all the hubs plus JFK on an A320 and LHR, which was operated with a 763 until post 9/11. UA still has a base there, and be thankful you guys still have that. Airports like EWR, JFK, and MIA have since lost much of mainline UA presence since those bases have closed.



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User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2693 times:

Didnt Korean Air fly BOS-JFK-SEL or BOS-IAD-SEL with the 747-400 at one time?

User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4083 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2634 times:

Speaking of Piedmont, didn't they have a 767-200 flight from Boston to Frankfurt for a short period of time?

User currently offline737tanker From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2621 times:



Quoting Aviateur (Thread starter):
And the other commuter regulars: Bar Harbor, PBA, Pilgrim, Allegheny Commuter. Downeast. PBAs DC-3s were around till '84 or so. Who am I forgetting?

Some that you are forgetting Precision Airlines, Air Vermont, and Business Express.


User currently offlineCs03 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 413 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2593 times:
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Yes, taking Precision Airlines from RUT to BOS was always a thrill, with a stop at VSF and EEN. In 1978, a Piper was used, then Beech 99, and finally the Dornier 228. I remember the bar on the floor below the observation deck well, and seeing the American Airlines 707 freighters on the North Ramp. Another memory is the disinct sound of a PBA DC3 heading to the Cape!

25 Airbazar : There are plenty of them, most notably AMS and FRA.
26 GhYHZ : Ah.....NW Airlink! Remember them well and flew on them often between BOS and YQM (Moncton). For awhile in the ‘90s they had the Maritimes pretty we
27 STT757 : My memory is from '83/'85, flying Piedmont 737-200s nonstop from EWR to BOS to go to Ted Williams baseball camp.
28 LH423 : I'd imagine their peak was right after they took over BizEx. BizEx has quite the operation back in the day, easily the busiest airline at BOS. Since
29 WA707atMSP : One minor correction: Braniff never flew BOS-London. Braniff's only route to London was from D / FW. For many years, Pan Am, TWA, and BOAC / British
30 Post contains images Dtwclipper : New York Air @ BOS ]
31 DALMD88 : Empire from SYR which was absorbed into Piedmont. Then in the early 90's there was Mohawk also from SYR.
32 FlyPBA : you forgot Gull Air, Precison, and Valley Airlines,
33 CF-CPI : I know that BOS was visited by TWA 880s 'back in the day', and let's not forget the 880 Yellowbirds of Northeast. Did AA ever fly Convair 990s into Bo
34 Flyer62 : I used to fly from BOS-PWM-BOS in the 80s while I was in college,and it was on DL 7572.727s,UsAir MD-80s,737-200,737-300 and DC-9 30s and even Preside
35 Rob2507 : One of my favorite sounds growing up, as they flew over my house all day. They were heading due north/south, so I assume they were doing BOS - MVY. A
36 GhYHZ : Memories....... Air Canada (originally Trans Canada Airlines) Viscounts from BOS to YQI (Yarmouth) YSJ & YHZ.....Oh the whine of those Rolls Royce Dar
37 BOStonsox : Certainly not for the airport, for that you can take Concord Trailways for $44 RT and arrive right at the airport instead of arriving at North Statio
38 Post contains links and images PWM2TXLHopper : You're right, these flights weren't really aimed at attracting passengers who just wanted to fly to BOS, or from BOS-PWM. Back in the day, DL had no
39 TUNisia : Anyone remember the Pan Am Cargo sign that was up at Logan until at least the mid 90s? I remember that as a little kid whenever we flew out of Logan.
40 ChrisNH : Dear Santa Claus: I've been a good boy. All I want for Christmas is Northeast Airlines back. It was fun having Delta Air Lines, but they've turned int
41 Ordpark : I was referring to decks in this country....sorry I wasn't more specific...
42 Apodino : I grew up in BOS and spend many a saturday afternoon at the airport, and thus I know it intimately, even with all the changes over the years, and I ev
43 Post contains images Dtwclipper : Some more pics of New York Air at BOS
44 Tu154 : what a great topic. Working on the ground for Piedmont in the 1980's, I was on the ramp quite often plane spotting. I used to see those PBA DC-3's lum
45 Flyer62 : the downeaster stops at Woburn transportation center daily and the logan express busses are right there.there is no need to take the bus into south st
46 BOStonsox : The Concord Trailways bus runs nonstop to the airport. Although you're right, you can go to Woburn. If you prefer a train that is the way to do it if
47 Post contains links and images FlyPBA : from the early 1980s from the 1970s (I think) [Edited 2008-06-16 18:43:57]
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