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Will The Concorde Ever Return To Service?  
User currently offlineAirbuske From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 466 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 18338 times:

Given current fuel prices, maybe asking for a return to commerical operations is too much. But surely, we can atleast have one graciously flying for airshows?

This video makes me want to tear up.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 18337 times:



Quoting Airbuske (Thread starter):
Given current fuel prices, maybe asking for a return to commerical operations is too much.

You just answered your own question, obviously. There is more to just the fuel prices, its the re-surrection costs that is associated in getting any concorde back to airworthy standards. These birds have a very special procedure outlined in terms of maintenance. It's in a class of its own as well.

But it never hurts to dream!  Smile



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User currently offlineAirbuske From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 466 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 18333 times:



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 1):

But it never hurts to dream!

I just wish one of those 1000 or so billionaires out there was willing to do all of us a favour  Sad


User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 18280 times:
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Airbuske, I see you have been here for just over a year.  Smile

While I admire the bird as much as you, it does not seem possible.

Please do a search in this forum for the words "Concorde" and "GDB" and try also "bellerophon"

In the threads you find, you'll gain a hefty bit of knowledge about Concorde and why it cannot return to service, barring any miracle.



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User currently offlineImapilotaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 18237 times:



Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 3):
Airbuske, I see you have been here for just over a year.

While I admire the bird as much as you, it does not seem possible.

Please do a search in this forum for the words "Concorde" and "GDB" and try also "bellerophon"

In the threads you find, you'll gain a hefty bit of knowledge about Concorde and why it cannot return to service, barring any miracle.

I was going to say that I havent seen this question asked in about 6 months... pretty much clockwork. By Xmas we'll get the next thread.


User currently offlineRigo From Australia, joined Sep 2005, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 18225 times:

This video is heart ripping... but unfortunately the chances of Concorde flying again are next to zero. I guess the only hope is to live long enough to see a worthy successor...

User currently offlinePdxcessna206 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 18123 times:



Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 3):
Airbuske, I see you have been here for just over a year.

While I admire the bird as much as you, it does not seem possible.

Please do a search in this forum for the words "Concorde" and "GDB" and try also "bellerophon"

In the threads you find, you'll gain a hefty bit of knowledge about Concorde and why it cannot return to service, barring any miracle.

So. Why can't he ask again?


People like to talk.


User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 18049 times:

Sad video

Only way I could get the Concorde back in air and make profit with it

1. Hydrogen Fusion Impulse Engines
2. Dilithium Power Core rated for 1,000,000 flight cycles.

And yes a glass cockpit  Smile



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User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3068 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 18028 times:

No. The Concorde is 1970s technology. Really, really advanced and cool 1970s technology, but 1970s technology nonetheless.

In the long run, it would probably be cheaper and easier to design a new aircraft that looks like the Concorde and has similar performance but incorporates all the technological advances of the last 35 or 40 years in the areas of safety, comfort, and efficiency.

[Edited 2008-06-11 23:21:34]


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User currently offlineBeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1752 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 17981 times:



Quoting TSS (Reply 9):
No. The Concorde is 1970s technology. Really, really advanced and cool 1970s technology, but 1970s technology nonetheless.

They should have kept at least two of the, airworthy at least for airshows and the occasional charter flight but not schedule commercial service.

One great wish is to see Concorde fly over the stadium at the opening and closing ceremonies of the 2012 Olympics in London

Quoting TSS (Reply 9):
In the long run, it would probably be cheaper and easier to design a new aircraft that looks like the Concorde and has similar performance but incorporates all the technological advances of the last 35 or 40 years in the areas of safety, comfort, and efficiency.

Lets hope they do it.


User currently offlineRigo From Australia, joined Sep 2005, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 17974 times:



Quoting TSS (Reply 9):
In the long run, it would probably be cheaper and easier to design a new aircraft that looks like the Concorde and has similar performance but incorporates all the technological advances of the last 35 or 40 years in the areas of safety, comfort, and efficiency.

Does somebody know what is the current status (if any) of that feasibility study jointly carried out by Airbus and a Japanese consortium?


User currently offlinePlunaCRJ From Uruguay, joined Nov 2007, 574 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 17763 times:



Quoting TSS (Reply 9):
In the long run, it would probably be cheaper and easier to design a new aircraft that looks like the Concorde and has similar performance but incorporates all the technological advances of the last 35 or 40 years in the areas of safety, comfort, and efficiency.

Be cheaper design a totally new supersonic airplane than putting an already built one back in airworthy condition?

I mean, it it really that expensive to get a Concorde airworthy for, as mentioned before, the 2012 Olympics?


Regarding a new SST, I think everybody learned after the Sonic Cruiser that the industry is looking for efficiency, not speed. And with oil at the price it is, I cannot see a SST having success, and thus none being developed.

Plus Concorde, with its noise, dials in the cockpit, etc.., will always remain Concorde, no way I´ll accept a substitute.


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12495 posts, RR: 46
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 17740 times:
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Quoting TSS (Reply 9):
No. The Concorde is 1970s technology. Really, really advanced and cool 1970s technology, but 1970s technology nonetheless.

Given that first flight was in 1969, most, if not all Concorde technology pre-dates the 1970s.

As to Concorde ever flying again, well, I never say never, but I very seriously doubt it. Airbus and BAe have withdrawn support for it, and without that, the chances of it flying again are as mathematically close to zero as it's possible to get.



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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3920 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 17695 times:

That is a truly fantastic video.

I love concorde, and I think I will always wish I had the chance to fly on Concorde.

Brian.



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User currently offlineBlackProjects From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 756 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 17571 times:

Simple answer as Mirrodie has said read the Threads by GDB and bellerophon as both have experiance with the machine one Flying her the other Keeping her working.

I look after a Concorde in a Museum and I can tell you she will never return to Service as all the UK machines were Decommisioned by a team of BA Engineers who I know personaly.

If you whant more info on Concorde you can have a look at

www.concordesst.com which has all the information on the Concorde fleet it also has a Forum similar to this.

This is a Lecture recently given at the Design Museum in London by Captain Christopher Orlebar who Flew Concorde as a 1st Officer from 1976-1986 and then whent on to the 737 fleet and Gained his Captains Rating but he was also the Concorde Simulator Captain at Filton for Many years.

http://designicons.harrods.com/lectu...B_iframe=true&height=500&width=500

It is a Flash player video

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User currently offlineYWG747 From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 251 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 17546 times:

I really doubt that this bird will ever come back into service.
All the cost that are associated with it are way to high.


User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4395 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 17496 times:

Unfortunately the answer will be no. This is one of the saddest no one can say.

But what would be the worth of having a Concorde in 2012 for a demonstration? Hey, look how good we were 40 years ago,but today, we import airplanes from Brazil?

This said, I never have flown here, but were lucky to see and hear her several times. She was the all time Queen of the skies.


User currently offlineVc10 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1408 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 17382 times:

BlackProjects

I have flown a couple of old airliners which spent years slowly decaying and which people said would never fly again, but they did so never say never, however in the case of Concorde I cannot see the old girl flying again , especially your baby.

Thanks for the link to Chris Orlebars lectures, and it is nice to see he is still as knowlegble as he used to be. One point of correction though is that there never was a position of

Concorde simulator Captain at Filton

In fact Chris came onto the Concorde fleet [back in 1976] as a Training First Officer and was involved in the training of all the initial Concorde pilots aswell as flying the routes as a First Officer.

A very nice person

littlevc10


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8339 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 17365 times:
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With Fuel at todays prices the fare would be twenty thousand dollars for a JFK to LHR return.

User currently offlineGsosbee From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 825 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 17337 times:



Quoting Beeweel15 (Reply 10):
They should have kept at least two of the, airworthy at least for airshows and the occasional charter flight but not schedule commercial service.

Fuel is expensive and so is keeping the aircrews current. The airplane was unique to fly, but for the passengers it was three hours of being stuffed in at best a business class seat and having to wear headphones just to keep the noise at a tolerable level.


User currently offlineAlbird87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 17326 times:



Quoting Beeweel15 (Reply 10):
They should have kept at least two of the, airworthy at least for airshows and the occasional charter flight but not schedule commercial service.

I totally agree! I mean we have vintage WW2 aircraft still flying for air displays, If Only BA were not soo picky and made sure that their birds were grounded for good by draining all the hydraulics!
I had the luck to fly on her once and regularly saw her at LHR and she is really suppose to be in the air and not stuck on the ground!


User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3570 posts, RR: 29
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 17303 times:

You will see another Saturn V fly towards the moon before anyone resurrects Concorde. It is simply impossible, because it is too expensive.

User currently offlineMauiman31 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 450 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 17278 times:
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Have watched the documentary several times, on I think it is HDNet - "Concorde - Last Flight". Anyway, the British Airways VP talks about not only fuel being the issue, but reaching end of max cycles which had already been extended. And then he talks about not being able to sustain replacement parts? Again, I cannot speak about that with any expertise, but it appears the planes couldn't be sustained for regular scheduled service if even someone wanted to? Experts, correct???

User currently offlineBuzzaway From Belgium, joined Dec 2007, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 17247 times:



Quoting Beeweel15 (Reply 10):
They should have kept at least two of the, airworthy at least for airshows and the occasional charter flight but not schedule commercial service.

Who is 'they'? BA and AF certainly can't be required to spend tens of millions a year just to fly her at a few airshows, and I can't see anyone else footing the bill.

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 21):
totally agree! I mean we have vintage WW2 aircraft still flying for air displays, If Only BA were not soo picky and made sure that their birds were grounded for good by draining all the hydraulics!

WW2 aircraft are fairly simple, and can be maintained easily. Concorde is just the opposite in every possible way.

I really love planes, but spending that much money just so a few interested people (myself included) can see her fly again seems just pointless. There are far more needy causes out there today.


User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3571 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 17175 times:



Quoting TSS (Reply 9):
No. The Concorde is 1970s technology. Really, really advanced and cool 1970s technology, but 1970s technology nonetheless.

Mostly if not all the technology is 1960's


[quote=PlunaCRJ,reply=12]I mean, it it really that expensive to get a Concorde airworthy for, as mentioned before, the 2012 Olympics?

The problem is that Concorde benefitted form the 1st generation of computers; virtually none of the components used will have been produced for over 30 years, and unlike bent metal cannot be replicated easily in small quantities.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 19):
With Fuel at todays prices the fare would be twenty thousand dollars for a JFK to LHR return.

This is the one aspect which wouldn't be a problem; we now have sufficient people in the "super rich" category to whom this is no more than small change

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 21):
I totally agree! I mean we have vintage WW2 aircraft still flying for air displays, If Only BA were not soo picky and made sure that their birds were grounded for good by draining all the hydraulics!

WW2 aircraft have electrical systems; Concorde has electronic systems. In addition WW2 aircraft do not carry 100 passengers at mach 2 for 3 hours at a stretch.

The Paris crash unfortunately highlighted that whilst Concorde was a the tip of 1960's technology, it was grossly deficient for the present day.
In the 60's the US showed their prowess with the Apollo rocket. The UK & France with Concorde. You could argue which was the greater success, on the one hand taking a handful of men to the moon and bringing back some rock, or transporting millions of passengers across the Atlantic at Mach 2; the one thing however that you cannot argue is that neither would now be considered to have be safe, due to insufficient redundancy in their flight systems, and unreliable 1960's components.


25 FlySSC : Will The Concorde Ever Return To Service? This was already discussed here ten thousand times : No.
26 Mirrodie : PDxcessna, there's no need for that. Of course he can ask. And I can help him by directing him to the most knowledgeable sources. I told Airbuske to
27 TSS : I went back and forth between saying "1960s" and "1970s" in that statement several times before finally posting it, figuring that I'd be corrected no
28 Beeweel15 : Just a few people, man there are many out there that are not on Airliner.net. In Concordes last days here at JFK I remember that every takeoff the ai
29 Hypersonic : "It Looks like a swan, you know when swans fly. It looks like a swan with the shape of its neck."
30 Tdscanuck : Yep. Because WW2 aircraft are pretty easy to restore and maintain (within the world of aircraft restoration). Concorde...not so much. It's basically
31 UltimateDelta : That was an amazing video. But modernization costs and operation costs (and a lot of other things) absolutely kill any chance of another flying Concor
32 Post contains links Alianza : Hello: I didn't see this mentioned above, so just in case anyone is interested, it is the Concorde AD (Alpha Delta) that is on permanent display in Ne
33 PDXCessna206 : Wouldn't that be fun? It's too bad that the concorde couldn't have been redesigned with newer avionics and other software to slim it down to a more "
34 SSTsomeday : Yes, it's no longer economically practical to put it back into "service." But I would love to see one air worthy and occasionally flying for ceremoni
35 BlackProjects : NO British Concordes will Fly again as all were DE-COMISIONED. That means all Hydraulics were Drained and Left to Dry out and while drying out all the
36 Cpd : Well, they were all approaching above 24,000 hours. I think Sierra-Delta (the two time record holder) is one of the better ones of them all, but it's
37 Post contains links BlackProjects : The next Supersonic Machines will be the Supersonic Corporate Jets the QSST and the SBJ which will be able should they go into Production upto 18 peop
38 BrightCedars : You gave me the wet eyes there. I had the chance to witness her at several occasions and to come rather close to her at one, but never to ride her. Ho
39 MadameConcorde : You can all listen to what my good friend BlackProjects wrote in his post. Me would think there is still a one percent chance that I might see her fly
40 Post contains images Cpd : Now I see.. I would become the same way if I had to hear that. I also visit concordesst website (I lurk, reading but not posting messages) and I read
41 Richierich : I sort of wondered why this topic keeps coming up too. It's pretty clear that unless somebody (or some entity) is willing to finance the project, Con
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