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CO To Ground E135's  
User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5365 posts, RR: 7
Posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8632 times:

From CO's SEC 8K filing:

"The Amended ExpressJet CPA will become effective on July 1, 2008 and will cover a minimum of 205 regional jets in the first year. The minimum number of covered aircraft adjusts to 190 regional jets thereafter, but may be less as leases expire. ExpressJet will continue to lease 30 Embraer 50-seat regional jets from Continental at a reduced rate. In addition, the Amended ExpressJet CPA provides that ExpressJet may return to Continental up to 39 Embraer 50-seat regional jets that ExpressJet currently uses for non-Continental flying. From time to time, Continental may elect to add such aircraft to the agreement and withdraw from the agreement regional jets currently flown by ExpressJet for Continental, subject to the minimum covered aircraft disclosed above. ExpressJet has indicated that it anticipates returning all 39 Embraer 50-seat regional jets to Continental. If it does so, Continental currently anticipates adding those returned aircraft to the Amended ExpressJet CPA and will, in turn, withdraw from that agreement 30 Embraer 37-seat regional jets. Continental then expects to ground or sublease the withdrawn 37-seat aircraft."

I didn't get this from the earlier CO-ExpressJet contract discussion. Sorry if it's not news.


I love long German words like 'Freundschaftsbezeigungen'.
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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3795 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8407 times:

What will happen to the routes that are operated with the 135 only, for performance purposes?



(Yeah.... I'm referring to CRW-IAH)


User currently offlineBigOrange From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2364 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8346 times:



Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 1):
What will happen to the routes that are operated with the 135 only, for performance purposes?



(Yeah.... I'm referring to CRW-IAH)

Ever heard of Colgan??


User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16817 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8301 times:

Co should bring in more Q-400s, 15 more for EWR (total of 30), 30 for IAH and 15 for CLE.


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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8264 times:



Quoting BigOrange (Reply 2):
Ever heard of Colgan??

Thankfully for the namesake above from CRW, Colgan S340s can not fly CRW-IAH. I can see him running out on the ramp WV style with a shotgun if Colgan ever started running CRW-IAH with an S340  Wink

The E135 and E145 costs are rouglhy the same, so if it makes money on an E135 and its decently full then it goes to a E145, otherwise it goes to an S340. If its too long for an S340 and not enough demand for an E145 then they shouldnt be flying it anyways.



Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlineCOFreqFlyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 397 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8197 times:



Quoting MasseyBrown (Thread starter):
I didn't get this from the earlier CO-ExpressJet contract discussion. Sorry if it's not news.

Was announced in the 5 June 2008 DNU:

Quoting DNU:

...In addition, XJT has the right to return to CO 39 Embraer 50-seat regional jets that XJT currently uses for non-CO contract flying. CO plans to add the returned aircraft to the new agreement and withdraw from the agreement up to 30 of its Embraer 37-seat regional jets currently flown by XJT for CO.

CO will then sublease or ground all of the withdrawn Embraer 37-seat regional jets to better align regional capacity with current market conditions.




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User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5365 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8153 times:



Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 1):
What will happen to the routes that are operated with the 135 only, for performance purposes?

The net number of airframes available to CO schedulers need not change much from now. For the most part, the E135's should be replaced by the E145's that ExpressJet will be returning to CO service from their branded operation. A reshuffling of turboprop and E145 schedules should allow whatever routes CO wants to retain to be retained. Any route losses will probably reflect traffic and profit numbers rather than equipment availability.

An eventual reduction of 15 planes under the ExpressJet contract is in the contract; this, along with the elimination of CRJ flying by Chautauqua, should produce the planned 7-9% non-mainline schedule reduction.

A big challenge to CO will be to sublease the planes they no longer plan to fly.



I love long German words like 'Freundschaftsbezeigungen'.
User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8058 times:

My guess is the E135s would be best suited for a corporate shuttle/charter type use.


Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5447 posts, RR: 29
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7844 times:



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 7):
My guess is the E135s would be best suited for a corporate shuttle/charter type use.

Which theoretically could be in [branded] ExpressJet charter ops. But I doubt it.

-Dave



Totes my goats!
User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3795 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7604 times:



Quoting BigOrange (Reply 2):
Ever heard of Colgan??

Ever heard of common sense? I think theres a reason they're not using saabs on 850nm routes.....cant put my finger on it though.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that was a joke.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 4):
Thankfully for the namesake above from CRW, Colgan S340s can not fly CRW-IAH. I can see him running out on the ramp WV style with a shotgun if Colgan ever started running CRW-IAH with an S340

They run CRW-IAH or reverse once in a while for ferry flights. We're their refueling point for ferrying saabs between the Texas and Northeast operations.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 4):
The E135 and E145 costs are rouglhy the same, so if it makes money on an E135 and its decently full then it goes to a E145, otherwise it goes to an S340. If its too long for an S340 and not enough demand for an E145 then they shouldnt be flying it anyways.

Demand certainly isnt the problem. The 135 is used because it takes a much smaller weight penalty than the 145. I'm wondering if the penalty on the 145 will make it too uneconomical to operate on a daily basis. Historically, they've used the 145xr in the Summer on days with heavy inbound loads and lighter outbound loads.

Once our runway work is done, the restriction will be significantly smaller, and possibly eliminated when the weathers right.


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5447 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7550 times:



Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 1):
What will happen to the routes that are operated with the 135 only, for performance purposes?



Quoting BigOrange (Reply 2):
Ever heard of Colgan??



Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 9):
Ever heard of common sense?

Ever heard of Cleveland?  Smile

-Dave



Totes my goats!
User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5447 posts, RR: 29
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7550 times:



Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 10):
Ever heard of Cleveland?

Oops. Just saw in the other thread that CRW goes bye-bye to CLE.

Hmmm...Ever heard of Greyhound? ...Ok, that was cold. I apologize.

-Dave



Totes my goats!
User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7516 times:



Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 9):
They run CRW-IAH or reverse once in a while for ferry flights

Obviously as a ferry they can do it, but not fully loaded (or even half probably)... unless you WANT Colgan operating CRW-IAH  Wink



Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3795 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7465 times:



Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 10):
Ever heard of Cleveland?

-Dave



Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 11):
Oops. Just saw in the other thread that CRW goes bye-bye to CLE.

Hmmm...Ever heard of Greyhound? ...Ok, that was cold. I apologize.

-Dave

P&T, I do something to you?


I'm not sure everyone is reading that press release quite right. It looks like IAH is staying regardless.


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5447 posts, RR: 29
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7341 times:



Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 13):
P&T, I do something to you?

Look, my first response was in good fun, as the smiley indicated. It wasn't until after I read the other thread that I knew CRW-CLE was going away.

I'm not sure what to say, as I didn't mean to hurt any feelings. CRW, like many airports, has had it's ups and downs. This was a down. Just trying to turns lemons to lemonade I guess.

-Dave



Totes my goats!
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7304 times:



Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 1):
What will happen to the routes that are operated with the 135 only, for performance purposes?

Goneskie

This is why we are seeing so many CLE cuts today. 135s withdrawn. Never got to fly on a 135.  Sad



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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3795 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7160 times:



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 12):
Obviously as a ferry they can do it, but not fully loaded (or even half probably)... unless you WANT Colgan operating CRW-IAH

No thanks.  Smile

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 14):
Look, my first response was in good fun, as the smiley indicated. It wasn't until after I read the other thread that I knew CRW-CLE was going away.

I'm not sure what to say, as I didn't mean to hurt any feelings. CRW, like many airports, has had it's ups and downs. This was a down. Just trying to turns lemons to lemonade I guess.

Its cool man, I was joking with you.


Everyones having up and downs at this point. I guess a silver lining in all of this is that we'll get to see which markets/routes are really as strong or weak as we've percieved them to be.


User currently offlineCALRAMPER From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7141 times:

Glad to see the E-135's leaving the fleet. The E-135's cost the same to operate as the E-145's and the extra 15 seats are never a bad thing especially for non-reving  Smile


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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7119 times:



Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 16):

Did you not like my comment i made...

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 4):
Thankfully for the namesake above from CRW, Colgan S340s can not fly CRW-IAH. I can see him running out on the ramp WV style with a shotgun if Colgan ever started running CRW-IAH with an S340




Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlineTeneriffe77 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 465 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5698 times:

So are the Q-200's replacing the E-135's?

User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3795 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5627 times:



Quoting Teneriffe77 (Reply 19):
So are the Q-200's replacing the E-135's?

Perhaps out of CLE on shorter routes.


User currently offlineCALRAMPER From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5418 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 15):
This is why we are seeing so many CLE cuts today. 135s withdrawn. Never got to fly on a 135.  

You did not miss much. Just a short E-145. But is is better than a crj-200



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User currently offlineXJETFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4694 times:

Bye bye E135's... So long, see ya...

User currently offlineInTheSky74 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4115 times:

Anyone know what is going to happen on the ABE-CLE route? They currently fly 3x daily with the E-135... and the flights seem to do very well...

I didn't see ABE on the closure list, so I was curious what might be happening there?


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3848 times:



Quoting CALRAMPER (Reply 21):
You did not miss much. Just a short E-145. But is is better than a crj-200

Yeah, but it seems really cute, and like it would feel more like a private jet with so few rows.



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
25 N670UW : Probably the best route to go would be to switch CLE-ABE to Dash 8's. They should have an extra few of those lying around by cutting CLE-CRW/DTW/TOL
26 Teneriffe77 : I noticed that MDT-CLE shows up in september as all DH8 so I imagine that it would make sense for ABE to go that route. I was surprised to see that CR
27 MSNtriathlete : Wow, I'm surprised MSN isn't on the cut-list, given the fact that GRB is, and that our once-daily flight to EWR is on a 135, and one of our only two r
28 KcrwFlyer : Its not so much an issue of demand as it is convenience and price. CLE isnt really on the way to any of CRW's larger O&D business markets. The majori
29 Bbinn333 : What will happen to the flight I booked YYZ-CLE (On a 135) ?
30 SeaBosDca : Good performance, too. I've flown a *lot* on MQ 135s and once experienced a go-around in one. Fun little airplanes to ride in. Unfortunately economic
31 KcrwFlyer : It could still be a 135 depending on when they phase them out. Otherwise, I'd say they'll make that a 145 or Q200.
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