MasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 4751 posts, RR: 7 Posted (5 years 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 8045 times:
From CO's SEC 8K filing:
"The Amended ExpressJet CPA will become effective on July 1, 2008 and will cover a minimum of 205 regional jets in the first year. The minimum number of covered aircraft adjusts to 190 regional jets thereafter, but may be less as leases expire. ExpressJet will continue to lease 30 Embraer 50-seat regional jets from Continental at a reduced rate. In addition, the Amended ExpressJet CPA provides that ExpressJet may return to Continental up to 39 Embraer 50-seat regional jets that ExpressJet currently uses for non-Continental flying. From time to time, Continental may elect to add such aircraft to the agreement and withdraw from the agreement regional jets currently flown by ExpressJet for Continental, subject to the minimum covered aircraft disclosed above. ExpressJet has indicated that it anticipates returning all 39 Embraer 50-seat regional jets to Continental. If it does so, Continental currently anticipates adding those returned aircraft to the Amended ExpressJet CPA and will, in turn, withdraw from that agreement 30 Embraer 37-seat regional jets. Continental then expects to ground or sublease the withdrawn 37-seat aircraft."
I didn't get this from the earlier CO-ExpressJet contract discussion. Sorry if it's not news.
Thankfully for the namesake above from CRW, Colgan S340s can not fly CRW-IAH. I can see him running out on the ramp WV style with a shotgun if Colgan ever started running CRW-IAH with an S340
The E135 and E145 costs are rouglhy the same, so if it makes money on an E135 and its decently full then it goes to a E145, otherwise it goes to an S340. If its too long for an S340 and not enough demand for an E145 then they shouldnt be flying it anyways.
Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
COFreqFlyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 397 posts, RR: 3 Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 7610 times:
Quoting MasseyBrown (Thread starter): I didn't get this from the earlier CO-ExpressJet contract discussion. Sorry if it's not news.
Was announced in the 5 June 2008 DNU:
Quoting DNU:
...In addition, XJT has the right to return to CO 39 Embraer 50-seat regional jets that XJT currently uses for non-CO contract flying. CO plans to add the returned aircraft to the new agreement and withdraw from the agreement up to 30 of its Embraer 37-seat regional jets currently flown by XJT for CO.
CO will then sublease or ground all of the withdrawn Embraer 37-seat regional jets to better align regional capacity with current market conditions.
MasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 4751 posts, RR: 7 Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 7566 times:
Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 1): What will happen to the routes that are operated with the 135 only, for performance purposes?
The net number of airframes available to CO schedulers need not change much from now. For the most part, the E135's should be replaced by the E145's that ExpressJet will be returning to CO service from their branded operation. A reshuffling of turboprop and E145 schedules should allow whatever routes CO wants to retain to be retained. Any route losses will probably reflect traffic and profit numbers rather than equipment availability.
An eventual reduction of 15 planes under the ExpressJet contract is in the contract; this, along with the elimination of CRJ flying by Chautauqua, should produce the planned 7-9% non-mainline schedule reduction.
A big challenge to CO will be to sublease the planes they no longer plan to fly.
Ever heard of common sense? I think theres a reason they're not using saabs on 850nm routes.....cant put my finger on it though.
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that was a joke.
Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 4): Thankfully for the namesake above from CRW, Colgan S340s can not fly CRW-IAH. I can see him running out on the ramp WV style with a shotgun if Colgan ever started running CRW-IAH with an S340
They run CRW-IAH or reverse once in a while for ferry flights. We're their refueling point for ferrying saabs between the Texas and Northeast operations.
Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 4): The E135 and E145 costs are rouglhy the same, so if it makes money on an E135 and its decently full then it goes to a E145, otherwise it goes to an S340. If its too long for an S340 and not enough demand for an E145 then they shouldnt be flying it anyways.
Demand certainly isnt the problem. The 135 is used because it takes a much smaller weight penalty than the 145. I'm wondering if the penalty on the 145 will make it too uneconomical to operate on a daily basis. Historically, they've used the 145xr in the Summer on days with heavy inbound loads and lighter outbound loads.
Once our runway work is done, the restriction will be significantly smaller, and possibly eliminated when the weathers right.
Look, my first response was in good fun, as the smiley indicated. It wasn't until after I read the other thread that I knew CRW-CLE was going away.
I'm not sure what to say, as I didn't mean to hurt any feelings. CRW, like many airports, has had it's ups and downs. This was a down. Just trying to turns lemons to lemonade I guess.
KcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3638 posts, RR: 7 Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 6573 times:
Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 12): Obviously as a ferry they can do it, but not fully loaded (or even half probably)... unless you WANT Colgan operating CRW-IAH
No thanks.
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 14): Look, my first response was in good fun, as the smiley indicated. It wasn't until after I read the other thread that I knew CRW-CLE was going away.
I'm not sure what to say, as I didn't mean to hurt any feelings. CRW, like many airports, has had it's ups and downs. This was a down. Just trying to turns lemons to lemonade I guess.
Its cool man, I was joking with you.
Everyones having up and downs at this point. I guess a silver lining in all of this is that we'll get to see which markets/routes are really as strong or weak as we've percieved them to be.
CALRAMPER From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 92 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 6554 times:
Glad to see the E-135's leaving the fleet. The E-135's cost the same to operate as the E-145's and the extra 15 seats are never a bad thing especially for non-reving
Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 4): Thankfully for the namesake above from CRW, Colgan S340s can not fly CRW-IAH. I can see him running out on the ramp WV style with a shotgun if Colgan ever started running CRW-IAH with an S340
Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21041 posts, RR: 60 Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3261 times:
Quoting CALRAMPER (Reply 21): You did not miss much. Just a short E-145. But is is better than a crj-200
Yeah, but it seems really cute, and like it would feel more like a private jet with so few rows.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
25 N670UW: Probably the best route to go would be to switch CLE-ABE to Dash 8's. They should have an extra few of those lying around by cutting CLE-CRW/DTW/TOL
26 Teneriffe77: I noticed that MDT-CLE shows up in september as all DH8 so I imagine that it would make sense for ABE to go that route. I was surprised to see that CR
27 MSNtriathlete: Wow, I'm surprised MSN isn't on the cut-list, given the fact that GRB is, and that our once-daily flight to EWR is on a 135, and one of our only two r
28 KcrwFlyer: Its not so much an issue of demand as it is convenience and price. CLE isnt really on the way to any of CRW's larger O&D business markets. The majori
29 Bbinn333: What will happen to the flight I booked YYZ-CLE (On a 135) ?
30 SeaBosDca: Good performance, too. I've flown a *lot* on MQ 135s and once experienced a go-around in one. Fun little airplanes to ride in. Unfortunately economic
31 KcrwFlyer: It could still be a 135 depending on when they phase them out. Otherwise, I'd say they'll make that a 145 or Q200.
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