RL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4351 posts, RR: 17 Posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 16666 times:
As of Sept. 3, 2008, CO will be reducing frequencies in certain markets and will also discontinue service between its hubs shown below and the following cities or airports:
Houston George Bush Intercontinental: Cali, Colombia, Chatanooga, Tenn.,
Guayaquil, Ecuador, Hartford, Conn., Monclova, Mexico, Montgomery, Ala.,
Oakland, Calif., Palm Springs, Calif., Reno, Nevada, Sarasota, Fla.,
Tallahassee, Fla., and Washington - Dulles.
Newark Liberty: Albuquerque, N.M., Cologne, Germany, Santiago, Dominican
Republic, Sarasota, Fla., Salt Lake City, Utah, San Jose, Calif., and
Tucson, Ariz.
Cleveland Hopkins: Austin, Texas, Birmingham, Ala., Charleston, S.C.,
Charleston, W. Va., Cincinnati, Ohio, Des Moines, Iowa, Detroit, Mich.,
Green Bay, Wis., Greensboro, N.C., Lexington, Ky., Little Rock, Ark.,
Memphis, Tenn., Nashville, Tenn., Norfolk, Va.; Oklahoma City, Okla.,
Omaha, Neb., Ottawa, Canada, San Antonio, Texas, San Diego, Calif.,
Sarasota, Fla., Savannah, Ga., Toledo, Ohio, Tulsa, Okla., Washington-
Dulles.
Guam A.B. Won Pat: Denpasar, Bali, Indonesia.
As a result of the discontinued service, the following stations will close:
Denpasar, Bali, Indonesia Oakland, Calif.
Cali, Colombia Palm Springs, Calif.
Chattanooga, Tenn. Reno, Nev.
Cologne, Germany Santiago, Dominican Republic
Green Bay, Wis. Sarasota, Fla.
Guayaquil, Ecuador Tallahassee, Fla.
Monclova, Mexico Toledo, Ohio
Montgomery, Ala.
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 5992 posts, RR: 53 Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 16633 times:
CLE looks like it is getting hit pretty hard. Not surprising, imo.
CALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3537 posts, RR: 10 Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 16638 times:
no real surprise on the stations. Minimal operations in those. To bad for CLE.............the recently announced additional flights are now gone. The big surprise is IAH-IAD beign removed. Particularly if we move forward with STAR.
okay, I'm waiting for the rich to spread the wealth around to me. Please mail your checks to my house.
Northwestair From Poland, joined Jul 2001, 632 posts, RR: 6 Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 16576 times:
I'm still glad that I came over to CO from NW. I still think that CO is a lot better company to work for. I guess I will have to wait and see if I still stay Full Time after Sept.
RL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4351 posts, RR: 17 Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 16535 times:
24 destinations cut from CLE... i bet thats gonna go over real well with the deal between the city/airport/airline. Im sure CO would have liked to avoid this scenario, but the CLE people probably are less than thrilled right now.
Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
Ota1 From Germany, joined Apr 2008, 383 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 16491 times:
Quoting CALMSP (Reply 3): The big surprise is IAH-IAD beign removed. Particularly if we move forward with STAR
Not necessarily... if CO and UA would team up there might be too much capacity, so UA could serve these flights and CO could still offer that service through UA with out losing that, market...
it would rather surprise me if CO went with OW now and left IAH-IAD to Star only
ABQopsHP From United States of America, joined May 2006, 722 posts, RR: 4 Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 16331 times:
Other stations have to have a vacancy for you to transfer or bump into. Other locations are going to be slim pickings to transfer to with all the displaced people in the system. Some of these stations are XE and they will be looking as well. The problem is, (at least on the XE side) is we know which stations may get outsourced down the road, so do you want to make an effort to xfr to another station only to have it close in Jan? Also RNO was an outsourced station to US, but not sure about OAK, so this is going to impact other companies that did the groundhandling for CO.
JD CRP
Xjet....going...going...gone/A lover of airliners from the 70s/80s
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 20319 posts, RR: 62 Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 16319 times:
I will now go from a CO elite to not flying CO anymore thanks to closing Sarasota, Florida.
My father, who flies paid F between SRQ-EWR with his wife a couple times a year will also no longer fly CO.
Oh well, it was nice knowing you CO. I wish you well.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
Cmhsrq From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 947 posts, RR: 5 Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 16284 times:
Dang it is Sarasota the only airport in all 3 of those lists? They are (were planning) on going double daily IAH-SRQ next month. Fuel at $135 a barrel SUCKS
maybe B6 will start EWR -SRQ now. Gezz that flight is 95% O&D
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 13947 posts, RR: 51 Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 16243 times:
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10): Oh well, it was nice knowing you CO. I wish you well.
And people think they choose airlines based on service or IFE...
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 20319 posts, RR: 62 Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 16195 times:
Quoting Cmhsrq (Reply 11): on going double daily IAH-SRQ next month
They are doing so. I'm booked on CO to SRQ in July. Chataqua one direction, Expressjet the other.
Station is closing after Labor day for slow/back to school period.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
Joeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 787 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 16063 times:
I can't believe they cut OMA-CLE...I've been studying the loads everyday and most flights are sold out or really close to sold out. Some are sold out weeks, if not months in advance. This tells me that it was their own, poor yield management if the flights are that full and can't make money.
On the other hand, I've also watched DSM-CLE and OKC-CLE and these were MUCH less full. They were also offering fares that were less then half of the OMA-CLE fares. This just totally caught me off guard.
Looking at the last week in June, OMA-CLE is already booked at 90% average loads. DSM-CLE, isn't even close to that.
CALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3537 posts, RR: 10 Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 16020 times:
back in the day.......it was my understandign that you could transfer to a station and bump a "probabtionary employee" who hadn't fulfilled a 6 month employement term yet.
okay, I'm waiting for the rich to spread the wealth around to me. Please mail your checks to my house.
FlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 5524 posts, RR: 28 Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 16017 times:
Quoting Joeljack (Reply 15): This tells me that it was their own, poor yield management if the flights are that full and can't make money.
No, it tells you that long, thin routes using high CASM RJ's are a bad idea when fuel is this expensive.
FFlyerWorld From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 335 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 16022 times:
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10): I will now go from a CO elite to not flying CO anymore thanks to closing Sarasota, Florida.
My father, who flies paid F between SRQ-EWR with his wife a couple times a year will also no longer fly CO.
Oh well, it was nice knowing you CO. I wish you well.
Slider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6089 posts, RR: 43 Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 15937 times:
Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 17):
No, it tells you that long, thin routes using high CASM RJ's are a bad idea when fuel is this expensive.
Exactly--LF isn't any indication of whether you make money or not. It might have been such a dog that it needed fare stimulation just to draw traffic.
Yellowtail From Belize, joined Jun 2005, 4179 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 15907 times:
So CLO finally gets the axe....CO has hung in there a long long time....I am surprised at the CHA closure too....thought there were doing OK..guess there are far better connecting points than IAH for CHA
When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
Boeing727 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 913 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 15906 times:
SRQ from/to IAH was always very full...sad to see it go...
Imapilotaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 15907 times:
Quoting Joeljack (Reply 15): I can't believe they cut OMA-CLE...I've been studying the loads everyday and most flights are sold out or really close to sold out. Some are sold out weeks, if not months in advance. This tells me that it was their own, poor yield management if the flights are that full and can't make money.
That's not necessarily. Omaha has WN in the marketplace, and although not nonstop, but with 4 one-stops per day. The fare? Only $208 fully refundable! That means CO must compete with those fares.
DSM on the other hand has no low-fare competition and therefore you will see fares 2-3x higher. It has nothing to do with YM, it has everything to do with competitive pricing in a WN market.
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 20319 posts, RR: 62 Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 15882 times:
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 12): And people think they choose airlines based on service or IFE...
Uh, I did. Between connecting in ATL or IAH, and flying DL or CO, I chose CO and IAH for their service and convenience (flight times were about the same, and DL actually has a few more connections). I also prefer the CO presidents club to the DL crown room.
Now I don't have that choice. It's ATL on DL or FL now.
Flying to NYC, it's a wash. I prefer flying CO, but DL to JFK works fine. But the point is, now, either way, I'll be earning DL points, not CO points from now on.
And for my dad, it's B6 as the only non-stop to NYC. He isn't mobile due to MS, and connecting is not an option. He may though fly TPA-EWR instead, as it's probably easier to get to TPA from SRQ than it is to get from JFK-Fort Lee.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
Flyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1830 posts, RR: 13 Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 15850 times:
Quoting RL757PVD (Thread starter): As a result of the discontinued service, the following stations will close:
Denpasar, Bali, Indonesia Oakland, Calif.
Cali, Colombia Palm Springs, Calif.
Chattanooga, Tenn. Reno, Nev.
Cologne, Germany Santiago, Dominican Republic
Green Bay, Wis. Sarasota, Fla.
Guayaquil, Ecuador Tallahassee, Fla.
Monclova, Mexico Toledo, Ohio
Montgomery, Ala.
It has been rumored if Continental pulled out of TOL, Delta would follow as Delta does the ground handling for CommutAir. I fully expect to see Delta out around that time frame also.
Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 5): 24 destinations cut from CLE... i bet thats gonna go over real well with the deal between the city/airport/airline. Im sure CO would have liked to avoid this scenario, but the CLE people probably are less than thrilled right now.
Not only are they doing that, they are cutting 2 Ohio routes (yes I consider CVG as Ohio). As a taxpayer, I am demanding the state get their money back.
25 PSU.DTW.SCE: Question on the press release - it is a little unclear from the list of cities by hub whether they are outright cut or if they are simply frequency re
26 Airbazar: No, it tells you that long, thin routes using high CASM RJ's are a bad idea when fuel is this expensive. Ok, poor fleet management
27 Davidlc3: One thing that has not been mentioned yet... KUDOS to the CO management for outlining their entire plan in a press release and memo to co-workers. Com
28 MaverickM11: I was just saying people make their decisions based on whether a carrier goes where they want to go, which CO no longer does in your case.
29 Pbb152: As Ota1 stated, this is a precursor to CO joining Star. Cutting many flights to IAD (and letting UA take on those flights) as well as cutting many CLE
31 Imapilotaz: The reason is that UA, DL, AA are still all finalizing their futures schedules for Sep & Oct. Most airlines have not handed off October for sure yet
32 Flyingcat: Look at the release CO is closing the station. TLH be gone from the CO network as a result.
33 Fiveholer: Sucks for our TUL-CLE flights. They have recently been full nearly every day. I guess I will have to take it this summer to see a ballgame up there be
34 Ikramerica: Yep, always full, tickets often expensive. I still might end up on CO during holidays into TPA because I rent a car and don't trust DL with holiday m
35 KcrwFlyer: They're not cutting all of those cities from CLE, as some people seem to think. Alot of cities are just loosing a freq.
36 Imapilotaz: Apparently you just cant read. Straight from CO's press release, and a Press Release like this wouldnt have a extreme typo like that:
37 PlanesNTrains: WN offers one-stops over Midway, so perhaps the yields are not as great as they look on-line? -Dave
38 Joeljack: It's not a long route at only 729 miles. Really quite a perfect length for these 50 seat jets. Not too long to use lots of gas but not too short wher
39 Modesto2: That's rough for OAK. Combined with the end of AA's OAK operations and the ATA, Aloha and Skybus closings, OAK has had a really tough year.
40 Ikramerica: Ohio is in a recession, and with fuel prices how they are, flying those RJs all over makes little sense I guess. So how many RJs are being parked? No
41 FATFlyer: I was just thinking the same thing as I read the release. OAK's low fares are now working against it.
42 Imapilotaz: This, if true, could open CO's officers and board of directors to MASSIVE lawsuits over breach of their fiduciary responsibility. There is ZERO chanc
43 Avek00: IMHO, they will be sufficiently protected by the BJR, so no one's losing any sleep over it.
44 RL757PVD: BDL IAH didnt operate 1/2 of the past 12 months anyways. It only came back in April of this year from its winter break. If things improve you may see
45 MAH4546: I can read, thank you. The PR is referring to CO and COEx. While TLH will not be served by Contienntal or Continental Express, it will still be serve
46 Imapilotaz: No kidding, I was being facitious regarding the moronic comment on if anyone at CO looked at the performance of the routes, or just started cancellin
47 JetBlueAUS: Or JetBlue. - Also, I am not to surprised about IAH-IAD. It was pretty much operated entirely by Continental Express.
48 Lincoln: Not as bad as it could have been; local media was really spooked when the cuts were announced (as if _all_ of them would be coming from Cleveland). N
49 Ikramerica: Nope. If you think taking a red-eye from BUR, and then connecting in JFK after waiting a few hours to get to SRQ is convenient, I've got a bridge to
50 Summa767: In the case of CLO, closing the stations means that they will give up the authority and DOT can re-distribute the 7 frecuencies?, or is this one of th
51 LACA773: How were loads on EWR-SJC-EWR? I thought this route did well for CO? Too bad it's getting the axe.
52 TSS: I hate to see that happen, but since CO has occasionally offered some very attractive "deals" on this destination I guess the writing has been on the
53 COflyerBOS: Wow. Can CLE even be considered a hub anymore with service being cut to 24 airports? I like using CLE as a connection point from BOS but how many plac
54 RL757PVD: Is it me ot does it seem alot of the CLE cuts seem to be Q200's Are they moving them somewhere else? CLE still has alot of other cities. Many of those
56 XJETFlyer: Not a real shock in my opinion. These moves had to be made and were made. Hopefully CO made the right moves and uses XJT the right way. I think CO has
57 CO 757-300: a shame about EWR-CGN i liked flying that route to connect to germanwings flights.
58 TSS: The press release says they're closing the station, so I suspect it won't... especially since they're closing it not too long before ski season start
59 FlyPNS1: For the economics of a 50 seat RJ, it is a long route. Not to mention that much of the traffic is connecting at CLE from one RJ to another. Not a rec
60 IAD51FL: DSM-CLE just started today.... check back in a month or so and see how the loads are. How long has OMA-CLE been running? Chris
62 Ikramerica: When launched, people said it was too close to FRA to make sense. I guess with fuel this expensive, that's true. The ICE train from FRA-CGN in an hou
63 Lincoln: Was that booking class-to-booking class or lowest avaliable to lowest available? If demand is lower than it stnds to reason that the cheap fare bucke
65 AirTranTUS: Surprising no ABQ members have piped in to get all up in arms about EWR-ABQ getting cut, we all know how they are a perfect market for NYC. ABQ, SLC,
66 Ikramerica: Just applied for a skymiles credit card to replace my onepass card. Gives a medallion jumpstart which I'll need for this year.
67 Tjwgrr: Yep, early April. http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...51&searchid=3924691&s=GRB#ID392469
68 Atnight: Sad to see that CO's first south american destination, GYE, will now only be a memory... I predicted CO would end up losing their market in Ecuador du
69 Humberside: Is LH upgrading DUS-EWR to mainline a factor in this? Or are CGN and DUS far enough apart to be regarded as separate markets to NYC
70 STT757: Glad to see EWR got off reasonably easy, sorry to see CGN go.
71 CMHSRQ: Dude just ask for a status match, buddy of mine just did it coming from US http://statusmatcher.com/company.php?name=Delta
72 Joeljack: It started in March. I always just checked lowest fare available. For example..here are some random dates I choose a few weeks out: Wed 6/25/08-Fri 6
73 Jkarp2112: So now only 1 red-eye from SJC to the New York area on Jet Blue.
74 Imapilotaz: More importantly, either you are divulging incredibly sensitive information on advanced bookings, or you are using "seats maps" on websites to look.
75 LAXdude1023: It still amazes me. You need access to Apollo, Sabre, Amadeaus, etc. to look at availibility and loads, but seat maps are increadably inaccurate.
76 STT757: I wonder if CO's Alliance Decision which the news states as imminent is already made known in this announcement, for example; 1.) Would CO drop IAD-CL
77 SANFan: Or, looking at it another way, SFO has seen all kinds of new (inc LCC) service recently making the trip across the Bay for cheaper fares unnecessary.
78 PlanesNTrains: As another poster mentioned as well, the connecting revenue may be playing a role here as well. Who knows. -Dave
79 Ota1: Yes, why not? Could just mean reducing capacity while keeping access to that market through UA. At least that makes more sense to me then giving up m
80 1337Delta764: I still personally think the route would work better if it were timed right for international connections. This can't be said of CO's ABQ-EWR redeye
81 FATFlyer: Either way, lower yields at OAK are taking their toll on service. I guess this may also bode well for places like FAT, we've had higher fares already
82 JRodriguez136: Also confirmed that CO will be closing completely its Santiago, Dominican Republic, (STI) destination. So starting Sept. no more EWR-STI nonstop fligh
83 Avek00: First things first -- CO's entry into either global alliance will invariably be predicated upon the implementation of a bilateral or trilateral ATI a
84 ABQ747: Is that supposed to be an insult? ABQ, TUS, and SLC are some of the fastest growing cities in the country. These cuts are a stupid move by CO.
85 Ikramerica: They don't generally do it for CO, IIRC. Won't poach from skyteam and codeshare partner like that. That list shows two suggestions, but no verificati
86 1337Delta764: As I stated before, the main flaw with CO's ABQ-EWR route is that it catered entirely to O&D passengers, as it wasn't timed for transatlantic connect
87 Joeljack: Wow, obviously you don't know very much about seat maps either. If you did, you would know that on an ERJ-145, there are 5 seats automatically blocke
88 Lincoln: Not really -- in a 1-class cabin (ERJ), all available seats in all fare buckets reference the same physical seats, but they may not start with 9+ in
89 Ikramerica: From Continental after I emailed them about SRQ. I explained that I understood the nature of the cuts, but that they are now losing a loyal customer b
90 CALMSP: we are losing money on these routes. why should we keep them???
91 Joeljack: Not really true. If you book a Y ticket, it will also pull out out of every lower fare bucket. For example...on an empty ERJ, there are 52 Y seats fo
92 Ncflyer: Cleveland took it pretty hard. CO executives always said feed from smaller midwestern cities would make flights to Paris and London more attractive. N
93 WesternA318: I thought EWR-SLC was going 2x daily for summer?
94 Jimbobjoe: Harder than New York and Houston, yes. But not necessarily by much. "The carrier says it is slashing 13 percent of available seats in Cleveland and n
95 HPAEAA: Just remeber CO still can codeshare with NW and DL on the CVG and DTW routes.. might make sense since they have almost nothing but Beaches running th
96 Skibum9: IIRC, when the DOJ reviewed the codeshare agreement back when NW, DL and CO hooked up, they were forced to keep the competing hub to hub rouites for
97 MAH4546: So what? There isn't significant New Mexico-Europe traffic, period. Ended a few days ago.
98 WesternA318: or Asian/Carib traffic for that matter..
99 Nycaross: First TUS looses B6 to JFK and now we loose CO to EWR. That means nothing nonstop from TUS to the New York Metropolitan area. UA started TUS-IAD in Fe
100 SANFan: A factoid regarding your comment, '764. When DL started both SAN-JFK and PDX-JFK, the first service was red-eye (e/b) and within a few months became
101 Jfk777: IAH to Cali, Colombia is a surprise. CAL has operated the route for a few years now, how can Colombia not make $$$.
103 1337Delta764: Do you have any sources to back up these claims?
104 Crownvic: Does anyone know what effect the cuts will have on the maintenance operations at Orlando MCO ???
105 AirTranTUS: Common sense? Think about it. ABQ is served by AA, CO, DL, UA, and US. God forbid anyone would ever want to fly UA or US trans-Atlantic (they could),
106 ABQopsHP: Got an email from an ABQ CO friend. She advised me that the head count will be adjusted for the loss of the EWR flight. She believes she will have to
107 CALMSP: our cargo that we are shipping does not contain drugs!!!
108 AJMIA: What will happen to these CO frequencies? It will be an interesting cat fight to see who gets to pick them up... AA, DL, B6 or NK?? I am thinking AA
109 ABQ747: Those flights aren't all that convenient for O&D passengers either. For the westbound flight, you depart EWR late and get into ABQ even later. For th
110 Aeroman62: "Poor OAK is going to be a ghost town. Have any airlines announced service increases to make up for some of the capacity being lost?" CO at best had t
111 Ikramerica: B6 flies to OAK too, let's not forget. BOS, JFK, IAD and LGB. That's something, right? But unfortunately for OAK, if there is a lower yield area of th
112 Tommy767: AA put out a press release for the suspension of it's SJU operations. CO is no better than the rest of the airlines making cuts. Each airline is cutt
113 MasseyBrown: CLE-LGW flights will apparently end Sep 2 instead of Sep 30. What may be "good" news is that the flight does show in the May 09 schedules ... so far.[
114 Ikramerica: This makes no sense. If they just keep going like everything is fine, then 100% of the people will lose their jobs instead of 10%. Which is better?
115 MAH4546: The cutbacks from ATA, Skybus, Aloha, AA, and CO leave OAK with approcimately 24% less capacity this fall than they had in October 2007.
116 CALPSAFltSkeds: I haven't seen anyone speak of the 21.5% ASM cut at GUM. According to the release, only DPS, which has two 738 roundtrips per week was cut. There must
117 LACA773: I was thinking the same thing. At the same time, I was hoping CO might move the redeye to a morning departure for feed to the TATL flights as well as
118 MAH4546: It already had become seasonal. PSP is gone permanently. The market is hurting for everybody. There is absolutely no need for other airlines to come
119 SANFan: The only problem is WN is also decreasing service at OAK as they gradually ramp up op's across the Bay; OAK-LA and OAK-SD alone have seen about 8 fli
120 Cgnnrw: Just read in this morning's Koelner Stadt-Anzeiger that CO will cut its EWR-CGN flights on Sept 3. No surprise the reason is the current oil price sit
121 UAL777UK: I have been "out of the loop" for the last few days. I there any news on CO and what alliance they are likely to join?
123 ANITIX87: I can't believe somewhere like OAK is getting closed down, and a station like ABE is maintaining 4 dailies to CVG. Are these flights really doing that
124 Kcrwflyer: Size doesnt equate to yields and profits. There may be more people, but how much are they willing to pay vs the people in ABE?
125 Contrails: A radio station news announcer this morning said CO was eliminating DCA service to IAH and CLE. Is this true?
126 CALMSP: actually, we're adding a 4th frequency. 737-800. absolutely false. We would never close DCA. He probably mispoke, and meant IAD-IAH service is being
127 STT757: Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 112): I'm genuinely surprised that more COEX routes were not axed from EWR. Especially since there aren't nearly enough Q400s
128 Conti764: How where the loads and yields on the CGN rotation? Maybe BRU can profit a little of it, even a chance CO could bring back the T7 to BRU?
129 PagoFlyer: It appears my non-rev days out of TOL are about finished....unless NW stays?
130 DTWAGENT: They have already cut the flights in TOL and SRQ. Even though they are still in the system. Their is not seat/space for sale on any of these flights.
131 FATFlyer: Reno's passenger counts have been off for the last few years. I'd say they are seeing more of a capacity adjustment to relect the current size of the
132 Greenair727: . In the timetable on continental.com, I typed in 10/16/08 and DTW-CLE, and six flights showed up--4 Continental Connection/CommutAir, 1 Pinnacle, an
133 Avek00: Completely piss poor loads in Y, decent traffic up front, and weak yields.
134 SJOtoLIR: In spite of the upcoming demise of CO in Cali and Guayaquil, both CM GYE-PTY and CM/P5 CLO-PTY are properly matched with CO PTY-IAH and vice versa. T
135 Summa767: In the case of CLO, connections with AeroRepublica will also be better -to CLO and other cities in Colombia- given CO's introduction of a 2nd daily I
136 Jgarrido: The local newspaper is reporting that Guam to Hong Kong is getting the ax too. Also getting cut is Saipan to Manila (surprising to me).
137 Drerx7: Any word on domestic aircraft shuffling, like 737s replacing ERJs in some routes - or 737NGs replacing classics or maybe even some domestic 757 flying
138 MOBflyer: Its unfortunate for our friends in MGM and BHM, but I'm glad MOB was spared. We are keeping our 6x MOB-IAH service. So far, we're only expected to hav
139 Justapassenger: I am curious about the huge cut in Guam too. Since much of the traffic is leisure, does the cut reflect the normal reduction in fall leisure traffic?
140 Crownvic: Maybe my question was overlooked above, does anyone with Continental on this forum know if these cuts will affect the Orlando MCO maintenance operatio
141 CALMSP: I'd be more concerned with the HOU base. MCO generally is all NG a/c.
142 DeltAirlines: The folks over at FlyerTalk are saying a huge chunk of the GUM cuts are the discontinuation of the GUM-NGO 767-400 flights.
143 BNinMSY: ATH is going seasonal evidently, as the flights are zeroed out sometime around October, but back in late April for sale.
144 WorldTraveler: Sorry to be the realist here but you all remember all the hype just six months ago about building up CLE and now it is all coming off again. The reali
145 Ikramerica: Yes it did, yes it did, yes it did! What are you talking about? Oil is 33% higher than 3 months ago, 50% higher than 6 months ago, and 100% higher th
146 Lambert747: Something tells me that Continental Airlines will do just fine with the closing of stations like Oakland, Reno, and Palm Springs. There is no need to
147 WorldTraveler: thank you for proving my point. I said that fuel did not just start going up in the last few months and you highlight the point with enough data for
148 Lambert747: There is a topic in the forum about Delta Air Lines getting some 4000 employees to take part in an early out package. We have yet to see what routes
149 CALMSP: we dont fly the 764 b/t GUM-NGO. True.
150 Klwright69: Thats seems an exaggeration. No one else will be rushing in to add more capacity in the "key markets" of CLE-OKC, IAH-PSP, CLE-OMA. Honestly, some of
151 MasseyBrown: In the better-late-than-never category, CO now has substantial fuel hedges according to their investor update of June 11. They are now 20% hedged for
152 CALRAMPER: Amen to that. Since we all agree that CO is losing money, I would rather that they trim their route structure and eliminate routes that are not makin
153 CODC10: In the hypothetical event Delta comes out tomorrow morning with an announcement that a handful of destinations are being cut, how would you spin it?
154 MAH4546: They have been. They have dumped over 60 routes this year, and more cuts are on the way.
155 N593HA: I'm really disappointed that CGN is being axed. I flew this route once and really liked the service offered on board. I was at CGN airport on the day
156 PlanesNTrains: Why does it matter? I guess I can see how you could spin this regardless of what they do or when they do it. In the end, they're making cuts that are
157 BestWestern: Houston will see a 7.9% decrease in capacity Newark will see a 3.2% decrease in capacity Cleveland will see a 13.1% decrease in capacity Guam will see
158 STT757: Your joking right, this is an airline who committed to installing winglets in all 737-700s, 737-800s, 737-900s and 757-200s years before AA, DL, NWA,
159 WorldTraveler: again.... they made these cuts VOLUNTARILY and they planned these cuts MONTHS before CO started thinking about it. No one said that fuel doesn't affe
160 STT757: That's one, how many International routes have DL dropped, announced they are dropping, or canceled the launch of recently in comparison? JFK-LGW, JF
161 WorldTraveler: and how many of those are cities that DL has removed from their route map? and while you are at it, why don't you list the number of new cities and ro
162 MasseyBrown: Actually, it isn't very dramatic at all, unless you work at CLE. The CO cuts are about the same in terms of RPM's as those announced by their competi
164 WorldTraveler: outperform simply means stock market prices relative to other carriers. It doesn't say that the company will be strong - just in one analyst's percept
166 MasseyBrown: I believe CO is closing 15 cities, not the "couple dozen" you erroneously claim. You are like the Weather Channel that can't see a thunderstorm witho
167 MAH4546: They haven't "announced" anything, but the cuts are there, they just didn't put out specific PRs like AA and CO did. Delta has ended over 60 routes a
168 Ikramerica: Also, some were JUST ADDED, so they can be chalked up to "didn't work out" which, last time I checked, happens at every airline. After contacting CO
169 WorldTraveler: and opened alot more... do tell us the list of stations that DL has closed, please. kinda like the cities DL has closed/will close like OTP. so, shal
170 Yellowstone: I was rather disappointed to hear that CO is cutting the EWR to SJC route. I've pretty much switched over to SkyTeam as my preferred alliance, and I'v
171 MAH4546: Since September 2007... Domestic: Bellingham Binghamton Corpus Christi Erie, Penn. Fargo Islip Macon, Ga. Marathon, Fla. McAllen Monterrey, Calif. Na
172 Hohd: CO and other airlines have ceded OAK to WN. With SJC and SFO nearby, the OAK cuts will not be missed much. I am surprised at CLE-San Diego.
173 Lambert747: I can hear it now from the Delta Air Lines fans: - "Delta planned to make all of these cuts long before any of the other airlines did" - "Delta is th
175 PlanesNTrains: Why does a thread about Continental have to end up as a comparison with Delta or anyone else? Seriously, why does it even matter? It really just ends
176 Mike89406: CO axes RNO however more possible cuts to RNO. http://rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article.../20080614/BIZ/806140369/0/CAROUSEL[Edited 2008-06-14 18:18:06]
177 STT757: Add to that list Atlantic City and Trenton New Jersey.
178 MAH4546: It's WT we're talking about. If Delta had announced all their route cuts in one PR and CO had spread them out over time, he would talk about how CO w
179 FlyPNS1: Add Tupelo, MS. DL has also tried to dump MEI, but EAS won't allow it yet.
180 MOBflyer: DL is (against their will) providing EAS service. The first chance they get out of the contract is the second they are gone.
181 PSU.DTW.SCE: Ironically, it will probably be NW who cuts the least number of stations out of this whole round of capacity reduction and contraction. Simply, they
182 CALRAMPER: As a CO employee I have to admit that as hard as it is to accept the fact that there will be layoffs and station closures, I would rather see what wa
183 CODC10: I did a mental review based on several other threads, and you're right. DL has a much more impressive list of new routes. Their list of route closure
184 PlanesNTrains: What's so frustrating about it is that he is like several posters on here who would appear to be in a great position to lead a conversation on some o
186 Tommy767: ...And was not my point at all. My point was to show how CO isn't a class act by launching out press releases that say they are cutting routes and se
187 STT757: Actually to the contrary, the press has picked up on DL's sneakiness with regards to cuts. They are trying to hide them so as not to infer to Congres
188 TSS: If Macon's runway is (or could soon be) big enough to land a fully-loaded 737-700 on, I suspect there might be another carrier willing to set up shop
189 Toxtethogrady: I think all the rich oilmen in Houston should put together a pot of money to bring Avianca, COPA and Virgin America to town. The cutbacks in the city
190 MAH4546: Trans-Atlantic traffic is at near record levels.
191 Ssides: I work for some of these "rich oilmen," and I can pretty much guarantee that not many people are shedding a tear over the loss of the Chattanooga fli
192 Lambert747: Continental Airlines is making cuts and those cuts have been addressed in the opening for this topic. Why do we need to take yet another one of your
193 Toxtethogrady: CO's own forward-looking predictions show a 2-point load factor drop across the pond. They're making money, but LatAm still seems to be stronger...
194 MAH4546: Which could be a result of the fact that the growth is largely coming from visitors to America, rather than Americans traveling, and they are more in
195 LACA773: Will CO keep LAX-HNL around mainly for flights connecting onto CO Micronesia? I know they do well out of HNL.
196 Yellowtail: I am not in oil...nor am I rich...but I did shed a tear! ChattaNoWhere / Noogaville was an old hometown of mine.
197 DiscoverCSG: Just a small point: Isn't the IAH operation larger than the EWR operation for CO?
198 OA412: How exactly does issuing a press release several months ago (prior to your competitors) stating that you will be making cuts equate to sneakiness on
199 Lambert747: He was referring to Delta Air Lines pretty much saying that the flying would remain in tact, as of last count there are: Source: http://www.airliners
200 OA412: No he wasn't. He was referring to the cuts currently being made by DL. DL expressly stated that there would be cuts in capacity. The claim that all h
201 Ssides: Maybe Houston is bigger in terms of flight operations, but maybe Newark is bigger in terms of passengers? I'm not sure, both are pretty big ...
202 MAH4546: CO at IAH is the third largest hub operation in the country after DL/ATL and AA/DFW.
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