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United Airlines To Scrap RDU-Denver Flight  
User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2311 posts, RR: 4
Posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5536 times:

It was a matter of time especially since WN started the route.....

http://triangle.bizjournals.com/tria...le/stories/2008/06/02/daily23.html


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User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4433 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5286 times:
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No surprise I guess.

WN has this market to themselves now, and is pulling very good loads.

Tomorrows DEN-RDU non-stop on Southwest is sold out, along with the flight on Monday.

The RDU-DEN return on Sunday is sold out as well.


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5178 times:

not a good message to send to WN, but UAL has too many other problems than to fight WN

User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3217 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5117 times:



Quoting Iowaman (Reply 1):
The RDU-DEN return on Sunday is sold out as well.

Not all that impressive really considering DEN-RDU was one of the most consistently-high LF routes out of DEN on UA, other than the expected DEN-ORD or DEN-SFO.


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6789 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4897 times:

What's the likelyhood of Southwest adding a second flight? One way or another things are gonna have to start turning around for RDU sooner or later. 21 flights in 6 months is not a good sign... and the American Eagle potential cuts have not even been hinted at yet which could be another disaster..


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User currently offlineRdukid From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4688 times:

Something tells me the fate of RDU is in Southwest's hands...

I know there is possibly some significant Eagle cuts looming on the horizon but I truly hope that RDU's main legacy carriers such as Delta and American will remain strong at RDU.



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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3135 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4652 times:

I don't think WN has anything to do with it. For RDU pax, DEN is redundant with IAD and ORD for the vast majority of flights. UA is simply reducing a redundant service.

I have a feeling we're going to be seeing more of the same - when cities have connections to multiple hubs, the further away hubs will see cuts and pax will instead go through the closer hub.


User currently offlineNcflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 494 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4552 times:

ERJ170, every airport in America is getting slammed, not just RDU. TIme for us all to get used to it I'm afraid, as far as flight cutting is concerned. After reviewing CO's specific cuts, it's becoming crystal clear that airlines can't make money on long haul regional jet flights, no matter how full they are. CO cut some very full flights out of CLE to SAT and AUS. Seems like you have to turn around those fuel burning CRJs and ERJs very quickly if you want to make money with them.

User currently offlineCasInterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4792 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4481 times:

The RDU cut by UA is directly attibutable to the retiring of the 737's, and the fuel hedges of WN. UA just won't have the plane to do it anymore, regardless of whether it is profitable or not. With WN competing on the route, it is painfully clear that UA can't go head to head and get the profit they will now require. WN has the fuel hedges and profitability to make UA's life miserable in DEN for this RDU-DEN flight.

RDU will be loosing many flights, but so will many other airports. I think RDU may still come out better than many other airports due to growth in the area. However I still stand by my prediction that by next year. there will be 25-35% less flights across the board, unless oil immediatly starts falling.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4462 times:

I'm a little bit surprised that DEN-RDU could not support 2 airlines... 3 would have been a definite stretch, but 2 seemed reasonable.

If nothing else, this change increases the chance of F9 opening RDU if they weather the current storm, and I would say that's probably a net positive.



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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4387 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 3):
Not all that impressive really considering DEN-RDU was one of the most consistently-high LF routes out of DEN on UA,

RDU-SLC on DL was like that too..consistenly 90% or higher


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4356 times:



Quoting CasInterest (Reply 8):

RDU will be loosing many flights, but so will many other airports. I think RDU may still come out better than many other airports due to growth in the area.

RDU is already one of the hardest hit large/medium-sized airports in the country, having lost roughly 11% of it's capacity. Few airports have lost more.



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4328 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 10):
RDU-SLC on DL was like that too..consistenly 90% or higher

That one is still operating.


User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2311 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4022 times:



Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 12):
That one is still operating.

thank God......



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4717 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3950 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
RDU is already one of the hardest hit large/medium-sized airports in the country, having lost roughly 11% of it's capacity. Few airports have lost more.

Probably only going to get worse once AA uploads their schedule changes too im guessing.



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6789 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3846 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
RDU is already one of the hardest hit large/medium-sized airports in the country, having lost roughly 11% of it's capacity. Few airports have lost more.

Correct. And with the convention center opening soon, flights are gonna be even harder to come by as convention center attendees will be snagging up flights too..

I understand fuel is a b-----, but some sort of easement is going to have to happen.



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7564 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3803 times:



Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 12):
That one is still operating.

yep,

RDU-SLC
DL 1885 Dep:0750 Arr: 1018 Boeing 737-800 4hrs 28min

SLC-RDU
DL 992 Dep: 1635 Arr: 2247 Boeing 737-800 4hrs 12min

NW seems to have reduced RDU

MSP is now just 2x A320's, DTW is 2x D95 and 2x A320, MEM used to have mainline on it a while ago is 3x CR2's, and IND is 2x CR2



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6789 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3803 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 16):
MSP is now just 2x A320's, DTW is 2x D95 and 2x A320, MEM used to have mainline on it a while ago is 3x CR2's, and IND is 2x CR2

Nah.. it's been that way for at least the past 2 years.. MSP was dropped from 3x a long time ago.. it's unfortunate, but I guess it was something they had to do.. I wish MEM could get upgraded to CR7 or E75 though.. but oh well.. consistent service is better than dropped service so oh well..



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User currently offlineCasInterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4792 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3699 times:



Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 15):
Correct. And with the convention center opening soon, flights are gonna be even harder to come by as convention center attendees will be snagging up flights too..

I understand fuel is a b-----, but some sort of easement is going to have to happen.

The current market is kind of crazy.

My prediction for 25-35% capacity loss across all airlines by next year still holds(assuming oil is at or above the current level).

There will be correction, under correction, over correction, and recorrection within the routes at RDU.

The Airline industry just can't survive with the low airfares, and the public can't afford the higher rates. Somewhere in between will be the final settling of prices and traffic.

RDU is going to weather this tranistion better than most areas, hopefully, due to the credit criss/housing crisis not being quite as significant here. Add to that, the relatively low prices of housing, and continued growth, and RDU will be doing fairly well.


The Airline industry is now being forced into significant reallignment that will leave some holes in service that will have to be filled. Perhaps another airline will start routes that are canceled, or bigger planes will be used. Efficiency is the key, and the longer Oil holds at these levels, the more efficient the market will have to be.

There is going to be a lot of pain, and I still think the US will go into a recession starting in October, but a lot still remains to be seen.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3553 times:



Quoting CasInterest (Reply 18):

RDU is going to weather this tranistion better than most areas, hopefully, due to the credit criss/housing crisis not being quite as significant here. Add to that, the relatively low prices of housing, and continued growth, and RDU will be doing fairly well.

They already aren't weathering it better than most airports.

RDU is the same situation as many other mid-size (and in some case large) airports with a significant amount of point-to-point service. P2P routes are seeing the axe everywhere you look, from Boston, L.A., Raleigh, Orlando, Fort Lauderdale, Austin, etc., etc.



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User currently offlinePlatinumfoota From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3546 times:

This video says it best

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User currently offlineCasInterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4792 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day ago) and read 3428 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19):
RDU is the same situation as many other mid-size (and in some case large) airports with a significant amount of point-to-point service. P2P routes are seeing the axe everywhere you look, from Boston, L.A., Raleigh, Orlando, Fort Lauderdale, Austin, etc., etc.

P2P is going to get cut, however at some point it stops making sense to cut them.

Right now it makes sense because most of the legacy's are hacking away without much consideration for competion, and future load issues. Consolidating and using Hubs makes sense in every case , except where the Direct flight is cheaper, due to load factor and less competition on the route.

It is going to be interesting to see what happens as we move through next year. I do predict massive cuts industry wide of 25-35 %, but I think RDU will see at most a 20% cut, just do to the amount of busineess travel.

I could be wrong, but I think by March United declares bankruptcy.



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User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 18 hours ago) and read 3346 times:



Quoting Ncflyer (Reply 7):
CO cut some very full flights out of CLE to SAT and AUS. Seems like you have to turn around those fuel burning CRJs and ERJs very quickly if you want to make money with them.

I am flying IAH -- RDU in Sept on CO, and was happy to see I'd be on a 737-500 (according to the current info on the CO website).

Then I'm going to RDU -- Newark on the Q400, which I must admit I'm looking forward to. This would seem to be more efficient for this route (and help the Newark congestion perhaps as well?).

What is the "optimal" flight time for the CRJs and ERJs for fuel/profit margin?

What I wonder is how long CO will run 5 nonstops a day IAH -- MKE using the ERJ 145s. It is about a 2 1/2 hr (or so) flight. I will say, however, on all the routes I've been on the flights are full. But with the length, I could see them moving to a couple 737s a day, especially as CO currently is in the same gate area as NW, and CO is leaving Skyteam......perhaps they will go where DL is now, and DL will move to NW's area?

Oh well.....time will tell.

Dave



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