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AA To Increase MIA Capacity This Winter  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33041 posts, RR: 71
Posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7707 times:

As construction cost continue to rise, at a presentation today, American Airlines confirmed that, despite slashing domestic capacity, they expect that capacity at MIA will increase in the fourth quarter of 2008 compared to fourth quater 2007. No details were announced, outside of the two already announced new routes Antigua and Grenada starting in November. It is safe to assume that the capacity increases will largely be international, and AA has a lot of 763 capacity freeing up in September. Miami is now AA's second largest hub in terms of passengers, having eclipsed O'Hare this year.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/miam.../news/miami_dade/story/568437.html


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User currently offlineMastaHanky From United States of America, joined May 2006, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7689 times:

Doesn't surprise me in the least. South America seems to be weathering the current economic storm fairly well so far, and AA is in a great place to take advantage of it.

Do you think we'll see a MIA-GEO? I wonder of DL's entrance into GEO will prod AA along to starting service themselves.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33041 posts, RR: 71
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7675 times:

Some executives from AA were recently in Georgetown. They are seriously considering Guyana this winter.


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7640 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):

They will do well in GEO! Can we expect any new European routes out of MIA?


User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7598 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 3):
They will do well in GEO! Can we expect any new European routes out of MIA?

With Alitalia's pullout from the Milan-Miami route, American is has been rumored to be looking at starting that route with their own metal.

Miami-Barcelona also seems resonable, as would a Miami-Cordoba/Fortaleza/Salvador/Belo Horizonte (the latter three would require additional Brazil frequencies.

If American could secure additional 777s, which they aren't in the near term (the 2 777s coming next year are going to Chicago-Beijing), they'd better look at Miami-Cape Town.

Closer to home, Miami-Roatan, Miami-Merida and Miami-Monterrey would also make sense, especially because they could be flown by 737s and 757s. Merida is close enough to be flown by an ATR.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7688 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7575 times:



Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 4):
With Alitalia's pullout from the Milan-Miami route, American is has been rumored to be looking at starting that route with their own metal.



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 3):
They will do well in GEO! Can we expect any new European routes out of MIA?

Ive often said that the next two routes that need to come from AA to Europe are MIA-MXP and DFW-MAD. Those two would almost certainly bring in the cash. MIA-BCN would be a good one, but I think it might be at least a couple of years until we see that one.



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User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3332 posts, RR: 45
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7558 times:

Please God let this mean AUS. I've been waiting for a long time for that route...I guess for the time being, I'll keep waiting.

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7558 times:
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Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 4):

Yes, I predict that AA will fly MIA-BCN (codeshare with IB), and MIA-MXP and or FCO. And also look for ASU to come back; and maybe MIA-COR (3 or 4 x weekly). CFN has been asking AA to resume service repeatedly; however, as you stated, AA lacks Brazilian frequencies; unless they shuffle around some, which I doubt, but it may happen.


User currently offlineAirJamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2545 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7511 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 5):
Ive often said that the next two routes that need to come from AA to Europe are MIA-MXP and DFW-MAD.

AA flew DFW-MAD in the past but it didn't work and was discontinued.



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User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2386 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7443 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
Some executives from AA were recently in Georgetown. They are seriously considering Guyana this winter.

Let's just hope that the Guyanese give AA authority to operate the route this time around. They were rejected a couple years back.

The route would be a gold mine, and would allow connections to MIA and beyond. Especially connections to NYC.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7413 times:
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Quoting AA767400 (Reply 9):
Let's just hope that the Guyanese give AA authority to operate the route this time around.

Yes, AA will definately receive the route authority from the Guyanese Gov't (if they haven't already).


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7688 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7359 times:



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 8):
AA flew DFW-MAD in the past but it didn't work and was discontinued.

Its been a LOOOONG time and alot has changed since then. If they did it this time around it would work.



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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2933 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7348 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 11):
Its been a LOOOONG time and alot has changed since then. If they did it this time around it would work.

The first time AA operated this route, did they have the code-share with IB?


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7335 times:
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Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 11):

An AA MIA-BCN winter service would be a gold mine for AA; especially given the strong O&D between MIA and Spain.


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7241 times:



Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 4):
Miami-Monterrey

that was a stinker back when they flew it


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7234 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Miami is now AA's second largest hub in terms of passengers, having eclipsed O'Hare this year.

can someone please post the number of pax for both hubs plus Eagle and mainline daily departures


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4520 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7213 times:

And what about the daylight MIA-LHR flight?

(Fingers crossed!)  Smile


User currently offlineAlbird87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7144 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 7):
Yes, I predict that AA will fly MIA-BCN (codeshare with IB),

Im pretty sure tho that IB flights from MIA are continuation flights to BCN both ways. However an AA 763 on that route would do well, also upgrade MIA-MAD to 777!
AA need to also get a 2nd Daily LHR-MIA flight up and running!

Also AA are going to be cutting our 3rd flight into GCM for the winter. Its going to be on for some of the summer it seems but then cut for our busy season! WHY AA!


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7688 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7141 times:



Quoting N62NA (Reply 16):
And what about the daylight MIA-LHR flight?

That would be hard to accomplish. But...

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 17):
AA need to also get a 2nd Daily LHR-MIA flight up and running!


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I kinda wonder why AA hasnt decided to start one yet. They should cut one of the ORD frequencies in the winter and shift it to MIA.



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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6793 posts, RR: 32
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7118 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
American Airlines confirmed that, despite slashing domestic capacity, they expect that capacity at MIA will increase in the fourth quarter of 2008 compared to fourth quater 2007.

I would expect that a good portion of the growth at MIA would stem from redirecting traffic that had been flowing via SJU, which is to be dramatically downsized. I still, however, remain in awe of what a ginormous cluster-f the whole North Terminal project has become. I'm not surprised, given it's Miami -- just in awe.


User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1143 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7084 times:

MIA-MKE PLEASE!!! So many people have talked about it in the past, and it's been a while...


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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4549 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7079 times:



Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 4):
Closer to home, Miami-Roatan

The market really exists due to the existence of TA SAL-RTB-MIA and back.
Nevertheless, if AA also wishes to start services to RTB in the future, probably would operate only a few days during the week, since the mentioned schedule of the Central American airline is available exclusively on Sundays.

Regards.



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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6222 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6987 times:

An RON ATR in addition to the 2X738 to BZE would be great.....would allow for same day Euro connections both ways.

CZM already gets ATRS....not much further to BZE.



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User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6946 times:



Quoting Albird87 (Reply 17):
AA need to also get a 2nd Daily LHR-MIA flight up and running!



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 18):
I kinda wonder why AA hasnt decided to start one yet. They should cut one of the ORD frequencies in the winter and shift it to MIA.

Just one reason – slot constraints at Heathrow.

AA will be really short on LHR slots this winter time – unfortunately they were not as successful at buying winter slots as they were at buying summer slots.

They managed to purchase 26 additional summer slots from Gulf Air and Iberia, but only 20 additional winter slots.

Also, don’t forget, they already have 30 fewer winter slots than summer slots so always must cut a daily flight from LAX and ORD, as well as one weekly flight from BOS.

This year they must cut ORD-LHR even more, as low as 3 per day (plus extra 3 weekly) for the winter. If they decided to do what you were proposing, they would have to cut ORD-LHR as low as 2 per day on some days. Since one slot pair must used for a morning departure from ORD because of their times, that would leave only one evening flight for 4 days of the week. That is just not competitive with United and BA and AA would surely lose some of their best business passengers.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6827 times:



Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 6):
Please God let this mean AUS.

It'll be interesting to see if there's some modest domestic expansion. AUS is a definite possibility, as is MCI.

Quoting MKE22 (Reply 20):
MIA-MKE PLEASE!!!

AA doesn't have the right aircraft in MIA for MIA-MKE.



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25 Jfk777 : Adding Miami with AA is always god for MIA. More LHR, Europe and Argentina would be good.
26 MAH4546 : Here are my thoughts on potential expansion. Re: Europe AA will have some 763 capacity freeing up this winter. In addition to ending JFK-STN, many Eur
27 TAN FLYR : So, True. At a number of locations,a E70/90 flight could offset maybe 2 ERJ flights and reduce costs and airport congestion. I sure hope that the lab
28 MIASkies : Very interesting as usual MAH... w/ all this E70/90 talk; is AA really looking to contract a "Regional" to do some routes for them? If so would they b
29 LAXdude1023 : If AA can pull that off, I think it would replace alot of MD80 flying out of DFW and ORD.
30 MAH4546 : First step is modifying the contract clause with pilots, which they asked to do this week. Step two would searching for a partner, or having MQ order
31 ERJ170 : On a slight off-topic but relevant question.. Would AA allow a carrier to perform at-risk flights using E70/E75 much like XJ is doing for DL? Or does
32 MAH4546 : I'm pretty sure it is prohibited currently.
33 SCL767 : I expected AA would be hesitant to start MIA-BCN and MIA-MXP because of this; however, an MIA-BCN would be great for MIA. Interesting development, as
34 MAH4546 : I doubt it. I would expect 4-5x weekly.
35 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Some extra B763's...maybe they should give these routes a toot... MIA-LOS-JNB and MIA-DKR-JNB have some very good profit potential. The feed out of MI
36 MAH4546 : Peter Dolara and others at MIA have been pushing for Africa for a while now, Dallas doesn't want to listen. Hopefully they will one day. Miami-South
37 Jacobin777 : God forbid they try something so potentially lucrative... This is definitely one place where I "blast" AA mangement. They have no "balls" when it com
38 MAH4546 : I think a daily MIA-LOS-JNB and a 3x weekly MIA-DKR-CPT is a recipe for a goldmine.
39 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Profit potential is simply amazing...and that's just United States-Africa...add Central/South America-Africa and I can't see how those routes wouldn'
40 SCL767 : True, since South African Airways left MIA years ago.
41 2travel2know : Too many people against JNB via Brazil here, with a wide array of different arguments, no matter if DL, CO or AA. I'm thinking via REC because it mig
42 SKYYBLUE : Do you think AA mainline would ever operate the E-190s like US/B6/AC?[Edited 2008-06-13 22:03:49]
43 B6fll : You already have AUS to South Florida...B6 flys AUS-FLL and WN as well...
44 Longhornmaniac : Very true, and when I want to go to South Florida, I may very well have to consider B6; I've never flown them, but I'd love to try them. FLL doesn't
45 Lexy : Okay, let me ask you something. Do you forsee AA getting into the market for the E-Jet's? I too, think they would do wonders for a hub like MIA.
46 FXramper : Still waiting on AUS-MIA also. Why hasn't AA added more to Europe from MIA?
47 PVD757 : I'd add that PVD would fit well in the E70/90 scenario (maybe even better than some on that list). There is a large GUA, Dominican, and Colombian pop
48 Jacobin777 : I was just giving a bunch of examples..of course some routes would perform better than others, but I think the concept is very valid. C'mon AA...lets
49 Wedgetail737 : I would love to see a daytime SEA-MIA flight from either AA or AS, but probably not likely in this environment.
50 797 : Very interesting thread, I wonder if those free 767s will go to Venezuela as the movement between MIA and CCS are absloutely full... Mark, I've been b
51 MAH4546 : S3 cannot fly MIA-VLN. They need DOT permission, and they only have DOT permission for MIA-CCS, MIA-MAR, FLL-CCS, and FLL-MAR. DOT will not approve S
52 PRAirbus : I doubt AA would fly MIA-BCN since IB announced they would fly that as soon as the new international terminal expansion is completed at El Prat (BCN).
53 MAH4546 : "Promises" are free. The route could easily fill a 772 and the premium demand is there. If any two AA Europe routes get 772 upgrades in the future, t
54 SCL767 : I think your forgetting about the cAArgo carried on that route. That's a good one.
55 PRAirbus : The MIA route as an example, if IB discontinued F/C apparently because the demand wasn't there. IB Business Plus is great and I think even better than
56 MAH4546 : It's not an example. Iberia discontinued the F-class on every route. You cannot make the determination that the Miami route had no F-class demand jus
57 Jfk777 : IBeria phased out First Class because they had too many upgraded passengers. With an upgraded Business Class, and no First Class, IB takes several com
58 PRAirbus : MIA-Europe routes with the exception of LHR and perhaps FRA are mostly leisure markets; KL lost the battle to MP. I think AA does not add more Europe
59 Janmnastami : From MXP, MIA could be an interesting destination.
60 LAXdude1023 : Now youve done it! Youve just given Mark the open door to give you a thousand reasons on why MIA-Anywhere would work and why the yeilds will be super
61 SCL767 : Miami is the second most important city for the Fashion Industry in the US; just like Milan is in Europe. Not to mention the strong O&D between these
62 LAXdude1023 : I dont think so. Miami isnt more important than NYC or LA in fashion.
63 SCL767 : I said second (NYC is of course the most important), LA and Miami are debatable.
64 Hiflyer : Before someone starts lining up the fire trucks at MIA to waterspray the first 170 understand that APA's position on this has been constant....their m
65 MAH4546 : Wrong. Frankfurt is pure leisure, there is little to no business traffic to Germany. Madrid has significant business demand. So does Milan (and Italy
66 LAXdude1023 : I wont argue that Miami is an easy number three in the fashion world for the USA, but I would definately say LA is number two. I work part time as a
67 MAH4546 : I would agree with you. The people who wouldn't are, not surprisingly, most likely people in the Latin American fashion industry and those in Spain.
68 N62NA : I thought Martinair was owned (partly or in full) by KLM, no?
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