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Emirates Hikes A380 Fares?  
User currently offlineSInGAPORE_AIR From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7217 times:

I thought I read that Emirates would not impose an A380 surcharge? I'll try and get the quote but a quick preliminary Google search hasn't come up with the quote from Tim Clark.



Emirates raises A380 fares sharply
By Nadia Saleem, Staff Reporter

Fares have increased drastically for the first Emirates A380 flight from Dubai to New York since bookings began in January, figures show. The service is scheduled to begin on August 1.

Currently, a business class return fare on the plane is priced at Dh23,310, while earlier this year it was about Dh15,570.

"The prices that Emirates charges for its tickets are continually reviewed and adjusted whenever necessary, to reflect changes in the industry's environment and enable us to invest in top-quality service and products," a spokesperson from the airline told Gulf News in an e-mailed statement.

"It's not just the cost of fuel. There are a lot of other costs that will increase such as those related to operations, staff and investment," he said.

More at Gulf News




Found it:

"Emirates will not put a premium on tickets sold for A380 services, says Flanagan."

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[Edited 2008-06-13 15:18:58]


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User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7210 times:

Isn't Moby supposed to be the cheapest seat-mile around? The A380 should then be cheaper than anything else in their fleet. This smacks of a "prestige tax".


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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4690 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7154 times:



Quoting SInGAPORE_AIR (Thread starter):
Fares have increased drastically for the first Emirates A380 flight from Dubai to New York since bookings began in January, figures show. The service is scheduled to begin on August 1.

Supply and demand? Maybe people really want to fly on the A380. Would be a good signal for EK then.



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User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8578 posts, RR: 54
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7133 times:
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I almost booked a seat on the first flight to JFK, however decided against as I'd be setting a trend for myself - the first having being SQ380 SIN-SYD - this trend would get too $$!

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User currently offlineKhobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7106 times:

Prestige tax? It's oft repeated here that people can't tell one plane from another, so the notion of a prestige tax doesn't fly. I think this is simple reality - regardless of whether the A380 is more efficient than other aircraft, it is a huge amount of airplane to fly around, and that takes fuel, lots of fuel.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27245 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7070 times:



Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 3):
I almost booked a seat on the first flight to JFK, however decided against as I'd be setting a trend for myself - the first having being SQ380 SIN-SYD - this trend would get too $$!

Arr you should have booked it. You would have given us a great TR !!!


User currently offlineDougbr2006 From Brazil, joined Oct 2006, 396 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6992 times:

Is it just EK and the A380

I was booking a flight for my wife from Sao Paulo with Lufthansa and had a large variation in price just by changing the day by one day. The original was R$ 3,240 and by changing to the day before on the outbound leg I got the ticket for R$2,110. Thats a big difference for just one day !


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11687 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6959 times:



Quoting SInGAPORE_AIR (Thread starter):
Currently, a business class return fare on the plane is priced at Dh23,310, while earlier this year it was about Dh15,570.

To me it just seems that the first fare quoted earlier in the year was in the lowest price bracket and that all of those have now been sold, so the cheapest fare available now has moved up to a higher price bracket. Such a huge increase could not just be caused by increasing fuel and service prices.



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User currently offlineRonerone From Jordan, joined Aug 2004, 1675 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6934 times:



Quote:
Unlike SIA, Emirates will not put a premium on tickets sold for A380 services, says Flanagan. SIA typically charges around 15% more for its A380 fares compared with those for the Boeing 747-400 across all its cabins.

EK isn't charging a premium (so far) for its A380 service. The increase in fares only reflect the economic situation of the market, and this applies not only to the A380 routes, but all of EK's routes. This is normal, and all airlines follow the same pattern.

When EK first announced that regular scheduled flights to JFK on the A380 would commence on 1 October, the flight sold out within days. Similarly, the August 1 flight sold out just as quick, at least in F and C. So with demand as sharp as that, prices are bound to progressively increase.

The premium that SQ charges on its 77W and A380 routes, and the one which is being discussed here, is a separate issue.

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 3):
I almost booked a seat on the first flight to JFK

Oh bugger! U should have booked!


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6915 times:



Quoting A342 (Reply 2):
Supply and demand? Maybe people really want to fly on the A380. Would be a good signal for EK then.

Of course it will be a novelty at first for everyone. And then, if the premium product is superior to what they install on other aircraft, it could maintain a premium like SQ does with R class. Can't imagine the Y fare would command a premium for very long though, even though compared to the cramped 17" seats of their 777s, the A380 Y seat is like Y+ (though with Y pitch).



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User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6908 times:

Well, it sounds like an LCC philosophy imposed. As departure date is getting closer and closer, tickets are more and more expensive.


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User currently offlineAntskip From Australia, joined Jan 2006, 936 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6669 times:



Quoting Khobar (Reply 4):
simple reality - regardless of whether the A380 is more efficient than other aircraft, it is a huge amount of airplane to fly around, and that takes fuel, lots of fuel.

I would have thought "efficiency" means mostly how much fuel it uses per passenger. As the A380 is very efficient compared to everything else flying now, actually it "takes less fuel, so much less fuel" (smile).

As for changing ticket prices, it is done all the time by the major airlines. Minute to minute in fact...


User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8578 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6431 times:
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Quoting OA260 (Reply 5):
Arr you should have booked it. You would have given us a great TR !!!



Quoting Ronerone (Reply 8):
Oh bugger! U should have booked!

Thanks guy's, Roni will provide a fab report!  Smile

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User currently offlineRivet42 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 818 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6105 times:



Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 10):
Well, it sounds like an LCC philosophy imposed. As departure date is getting closer and closer, tickets are more and more expensive.

Where have you been since the start of commercial aviation? That's always been the case! Obviously the cheapest seats sell out first, then the next cheapest, and so on, until you are left with only the full-fare unrestricted seats as you approach the date of travel... As far as I can recall the 'legacy' airlines have always sold in that way.

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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12801 posts, RR: 46
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6073 times:
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Come on guys, this isn't rocket science and it certainly isn't a conspiracy.

It's called yield management. All airlines practice it.



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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13438 posts, RR: 100
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5822 times:
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Quoting Scbriml (Reply 14):

It's called yield management. All airlines practice it.

And that should be what is discussed. EK is going to outfit the A380 with a competitive F and J class product. They'll be doing what they can to maintain yield during this tough economic climate.

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User currently offlineManfredj From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5691 times:



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 14):
Come on guys, this isn't rocket science and it certainly isn't a conspiracy.

It's called yield management. All airlines practice it.

Yup, standard procedure.



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User currently offlineAg92 From India, joined Jul 2006, 1317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5127 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 5):



Quoting Ronerone (Reply 8):

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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 9202 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4524 times:



Quoting SInGAPORE_AIR (Thread starter):
Currently, a business class return fare on the plane is priced at Dh23,310, while earlier this year it was about Dh15,570.

What does that amount to when converted to US dollars?



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User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3846 times:



Quoting Rivet42 (Reply 13):
Where have you been since the start of commercial aviation?

Good question, but don't know the answer  Wink



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User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3825 times:



Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 1):
Isn't Moby supposed to be the cheapest seat-mile around? The A380 should then be cheaper than anything else in their fleet. This smacks of a "prestige tax".

No this smacks of Emirates actually increasing their fares due to fuel costs rather than adding 15 different surcharges.. in other words, they are doing what every other business (outside of airlines) does.



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User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5861 posts, RR: 39
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3808 times:



Quoting SInGAPORE_AIR (Thread starter):
I thought I read that Emirates would not impose an A380 surcharge? I'll try and get the quote but a quick preliminary Google search hasn't come up with the quote from Tim Clark.

I did a dummy booking the other day for EK doing PER-DXB-ZRH-LHR-DXB-PER and the fare was around $400 more in economy when I selected EK 2 on the LHR-DXB sector, it worked out to be around $2500 return with A380 flight, $2100 or so non A380 flight.

SQ still came out $300+ cheaper.



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User currently offlineNZA320 From New Zealand, joined May 2007, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3780 times:



Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 18):
What does that amount to when converted to US dollars?

Dh23,310 = US$6,346.14
Dh15,570 = US$4,238.93



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31250 posts, RR: 85
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3723 times:
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I agree it's likely a case of the discounted Business Class fares selling out vs. EK trying to grab some more cash because it's an A380.

When I flew F on SQ's A380 between SIN and SYD back in March, the cost differential one-way was $500 between the A388 and 744 flights, so even the A388 can be had for not much more then the 744 (though the return was much higher and the R/T was even more pronounced, so I took the 744 back and was praying they'd sub a 77W).


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3430 times:

What novelty?
It was us on the first A380 flights, the charity flights to Sydney and back to Singapore.
Then the first flights to London and Narita I was on them too.

Lots of A380s flying now. 4 of them, all Singapore Airlines. Nothing new about flying on the A380 anymore. Emirates is one Big Bus too late!

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 9):
Of course it will be a novelty at first for everyone.


For those who asked:

Sunday, June 15, 2008
23,310 Utd. Arab Emir. Dirham = 6,347.87 US Dollar
15,570. Utd. Arab Emir. Dirham = 4,240.08 US Dollar
Interbank rate

http://www.oanda.com/convert/classic

[Edited 2008-06-15 08:02:05]


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25 Emirates773ER : Its novelty alright, we are talking about EK here who have been known to spend big bucks on their interiors and I would not be surprised if they show
26 MadameConcorde : I wonder why they are taking so long to unveil their A380 interiors... SQ has unveiled "Travel in a New Light" long before the Sydney flights and QF h
27 AirNZ : How do you see that as an LCC philosophy.....it is applicable on any airline that ticket prices rise as departure date becomes closer? Yes, exactly!
28 Ronerone : From the way i see it, its a marketing stunt similar to what SQ did with 'Travel in a New Light' just using different mechanisms. SQ unveiled their F
29 Singapore_Air : The Singapore Airlines Suites (R) were unveiled 10 days before the first flight on 15 October 2008 at Toulouse, France.
30 Post contains links MadameConcorde : I will not be on board EK 3801. I am a true First to Fly the A380 passenger unlike those who will be on the Emirates A380 to JFK. I have decided on an
31 Ronerone : I didn't say that SQ isn't about the media either In fact, if anything, it is EK that is following SQ and not the other way around. All the best in y
32 MadameConcorde : I am sure you will have a great time especially if you are booked on the first flight to JFK. No doubt EK will do everything to make the flight a grea
33 Rivet42 : ... that's nothing to do with the type of aircraft - there are usually quite big fare differences between the different departures from London to Dub
34 BA319-131 : - Not wanting to pour cold water and no disrespect, but you flew SYD-SIN, so second to fly as it were. The EK3801 is the first to fly for EK, so some
35 Ronerone : Come on Mark! ... Book! Regards, Roni
36 OA260 : Very true Mark. Each inaugural is a special moment. I would love to be on the EK JFK one myself.
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