SInGAPORE_AIR From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13754 posts, RR: 18 Posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7603 times:
I thought I read that Emirates would not impose an A380 surcharge? I'll try and get the quote but a quick preliminary Google search hasn't come up with the quote from Tim Clark.
Emirates raises A380 fares sharply
By Nadia Saleem, Staff Reporter
Fares have increased drastically for the first Emirates A380 flight from Dubai to New York since bookings began in January, figures show. The service is scheduled to begin on August 1.
Currently, a business class return fare on the plane is priced at Dh23,310, while earlier this year it was about Dh15,570.
"The prices that Emirates charges for its tickets are continually reviewed and adjusted whenever necessary, to reflect changes in the industry's environment and enable us to invest in top-quality service and products," a spokesperson from the airline told Gulf News in an e-mailed statement.
"It's not just the cost of fuel. There are a lot of other costs that will increase such as those related to operations, staff and investment," he said.
A342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4922 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7540 times:
Quoting SInGAPORE_AIR (Thread starter): Fares have increased drastically for the first Emirates A380 flight from Dubai to New York since bookings began in January, figures show. The service is scheduled to begin on August 1.
Supply and demand? Maybe people really want to fly on the A380. Would be a good signal for EK then.
Khobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7492 times:
Prestige tax? It's oft repeated here that people can't tell one plane from another, so the notion of a prestige tax doesn't fly. I think this is simple reality - regardless of whether the A380 is more efficient than other aircraft, it is a huge amount of airplane to fly around, and that takes fuel, lots of fuel.
OA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 29270 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7456 times:
Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 3): I almost booked a seat on the first flight to JFK, however decided against as I'd be setting a trend for myself - the first having being SQ380 SIN-SYD - this trend would get too $$!
Arr you should have booked it. You would have given us a great TR !!!
Dougbr2006 From Brazil, joined Oct 2006, 410 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7378 times:
Is it just EK and the A380
I was booking a flight for my wife from Sao Paulo with Lufthansa and had a large variation in price just by changing the day by one day. The original was R$ 3,240 and by changing to the day before on the outbound leg I got the ticket for R$2,110. Thats a big difference for just one day !
PlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 12042 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7345 times:
Quoting SInGAPORE_AIR (Thread starter): Currently, a business class return fare on the plane is priced at Dh23,310, while earlier this year it was about Dh15,570.
To me it just seems that the first fare quoted earlier in the year was in the lowest price bracket and that all of those have now been sold, so the cheapest fare available now has moved up to a higher price bracket. Such a huge increase could not just be caused by increasing fuel and service prices.
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Ronerone From Jordan, joined Aug 2004, 1684 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7320 times:
Quote: Unlike SIA, Emirates will not put a premium on tickets sold for A380 services, says Flanagan. SIA typically charges around 15% more for its A380 fares compared with those for the Boeing 747-400 across all its cabins.
EK isn't charging a premium (so far) for its A380 service. The increase in fares only reflect the economic situation of the market, and this applies not only to the A380 routes, but all of EK's routes. This is normal, and all airlines follow the same pattern.
When EK first announced that regular scheduled flights to JFK on the A380 would commence on 1 October, the flight sold out within days. Similarly, the August 1 flight sold out just as quick, at least in F and C. So with demand as sharp as that, prices are bound to progressively increase.
The premium that SQ charges on its 77W and A380 routes, and the one which is being discussed here, is a separate issue.
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 22001 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7301 times:
Quoting A342 (Reply 2): Supply and demand? Maybe people really want to fly on the A380. Would be a good signal for EK then.
Of course it will be a novelty at first for everyone. And then, if the premium product is superior to what they install on other aircraft, it could maintain a premium like SQ does with R class. Can't imagine the Y fare would command a premium for very long though, even though compared to the cramped 17" seats of their 777s, the A380 Y seat is like Y+ (though with Y pitch).
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Antskip From Australia, joined Jan 2006, 944 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7055 times:
Quoting Khobar (Reply 4): simple reality - regardless of whether the A380 is more efficient than other aircraft, it is a huge amount of airplane to fly around, and that takes fuel, lots of fuel.
I would have thought "efficiency" means mostly how much fuel it uses per passenger. As the A380 is very efficient compared to everything else flying now, actually it "takes less fuel, so much less fuel" (smile).
As for changing ticket prices, it is done all the time by the major airlines. Minute to minute in fact...
Rivet42 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 908 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6491 times:
Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 10): Well, it sounds like an LCC philosophy imposed. As departure date is getting closer and closer, tickets are more and more expensive.
Where have you been since the start of commercial aviation? That's always been the case! Obviously the cheapest seats sell out first, then the next cheapest, and so on, until you are left with only the full-fare unrestricted seats as you approach the date of travel... As far as I can recall the 'legacy' airlines have always sold in that way.
Osiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3260 posts, RR: 26
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4211 times:
Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 1): Isn't Moby supposed to be the cheapest seat-mile around? The A380 should then be cheaper than anything else in their fleet. This smacks of a "prestige tax".
No this smacks of Emirates actually increasing their fares due to fuel costs rather than adding 15 different surcharges.. in other words, they are doing what every other business (outside of airlines) does.
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QANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5919 posts, RR: 36
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4194 times:
Quoting SInGAPORE_AIR (Thread starter): I thought I read that Emirates would not impose an A380 surcharge? I'll try and get the quote but a quick preliminary Google search hasn't come up with the quote from Tim Clark.
I did a dummy booking the other day for EK doing PER-DXB-ZRH-LHR-DXB-PER and the fare was around $400 more in economy when I selected EK 2 on the LHR-DXB sector, it worked out to be around $2500 return with A380 flight, $2100 or so non A380 flight.
SQ still came out $300+ cheaper.
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Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 33445 posts, RR: 85
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4109 times:
I agree it's likely a case of the discounted Business Class fares selling out vs. EK trying to grab some more cash because it's an A380.
When I flew F on SQ's A380 between SIN and SYD back in March, the cost differential one-way was $500 between the A388 and 744 flights, so even the A388 can be had for not much more then the 744 (though the return was much higher and the R/T was even more pronounced, so I took the 744 back and was praying they'd sub a 77W).