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Rumours About UAL Ordering B 777s With GE Engines  
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Posted (13 years 5 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1943 times:

Hey everyone!

I am sure some of you have heard rumours about UAL planning to get the B 777LRs with GE Engines. And they might start retiring the B 747-400s. Do you guys think it is true?

Of course I don't want this to happen as I love UAL's B 747-400s.

I personally don't think its anything valid. Why? Coz they are better off sticking with Pratt And Whitney Engines. Besides, their Pratt and Whitney B 777-200ERs serve them very well. It is costly to maintain two types of different engines.

Besides, United LOVES their B 747-400s and I strongly believe that they are going to stick with this product. Many of UAL's routes require the capacity of a B 747-400 rather than a B 777-200LR or even a B 777-300LR. For example: SFO-HKG, LAX-HKG, JFK-NRT etc etc. They need the B 747-400s. Some of you may argue that they need an aircraft with longer range. The B 747-400LR or the B 747X Stretch should be ideal for them.

Besides, their B 747-400s are pretty new. Their oldest B 747-400 is about 11 years old and I don't see them leaving anytime soon.

What do you guys think? Do you guys think the B 747-400s will be leaving anytime soon? Also, do you guys think UAL will be ordering B 777s with GE Engines?

All ideas are welcome.  Smile



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User currently offlineILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (13 years 5 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1878 times:

The 747s will not be leaving anytime soon. That is given. Regarding the rumor. I've heard it. It makes a lot off sence too. Why? This way UA would be one step closer to ordering the 772LR and the 773ER. They will not be re-engining their 777s. Thats for sure. PW are great engines, but GE makes good engines as well.

GE also offers a lot with their engines. UA would not be dissapointed if they go to GE.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (13 years 5 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1864 times:

I am sure UAL loves their B 747-400s. However, will they eventually be replaced by B777-200LRs or the B 777-300ER?

I don't think these two products can replace the B 747-400s as many of UAL's B 747-400s are full from time to time. I guess new B 747-400s, B 747-400LRs or even the B 747X Stretch will be used to replace their oldest B 747-400s in about 10 to 15 years time.

Just my two cents.

What do you guys think?  Smile


User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 5 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1850 times:

United will not order the GE90 777-200LR &300ER. They will order the new 747X with P&W 4000 series engines like the rest of their wide-body fleet. After what happened at Sioux City (Flt 232), with one of their GE CF6 powered DC-10s they are sticking with P&W from now on.

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (13 years 5 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1844 times:

I don't think they need the B 747X as it is only about 25 to 50 seats more than the current B 747-400.

Perhaps the B 747X Stretch with P&W 4000 series engines.


User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2735 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (13 years 5 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1821 times:

Either way they are going to have to order a G.E. engine. Either they order the 777LR aircraft, with the GE 90, or they order the 747X/S with the GP7200, unless they choose the Trent 600 for this aircraft. You can't get the PW 4000 on the 747X (only the 747-400ER). In all likelihood, they will end up with both.

Hamlet69



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User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 5 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1809 times:

If they are forced with getting the GE90 on the 777-200LR, they will continue instead of ordering more 777-200ERs with P&W 4000 series engines.

User currently offlineAFa340-300E From France, joined May 1999, 2084 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (13 years 5 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1798 times:

Hello Hamlet69,

TEDSKI is 100% sure about what he says... We are much less.

Best regards,
Alain Mengus


User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 31
Reply 8, posted (13 years 5 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1778 times:

Perhaps UAL is concentrating on the B772/B773 just to add the A380 at the top end of their fleet. This would make much sense.

Regards
Gerardo



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User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7993 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (13 years 5 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1755 times:

UA may not be adverse to buying the 777-200LR and 777-300ER with the GE90 engines.

The reason is simple: GE may be offering a warranty package on the GE90-110B/115B engines where GE will provide their own technicians on-site to help service the engines and also defray much of the costs of engine maintainance.

This is actually fairly normal GE practice: when the Burlington Northern Santa Fe (BNSF) railroad started ordering Dash 9-44CW locomotives from GE Transportation Systems, GE sent technicians to several BNSF locomotive service facilities to work full-time with BNSF's own locomotive maintainance force.

I won't be surprised that UA places an order for 20 772LR's and 15-20 773ER's some time in 2001.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (13 years 5 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1752 times:

Why isn't P&W making engines for these planes?

User currently offlineChiawei From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 942 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (13 years 5 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1736 times:

United is big enough to force boeing to develop a new version of 777LR. Perhaps a 777-400LR with PW engines if United really wants PW engines.



User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 5 months 6 days ago) and read 1719 times:

I am sure that Boeing can build a 777-400LR with P&W 4000 series engines for United and other P&W 777 operators if they want to so that airlines don't go for Airbus.

User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 31
Reply 13, posted (13 years 5 months 6 days ago) and read 1709 times:

And who will pay for those engines? Remember, that GE has an exclusivity contract with Boeing for the B777X-Versions. I don't know, if any of the engine manufacturers made money with the 777 programm, as their competition was fierce.

Boeing can't offer a new long range 777 with PW engines, as they would break the agreement with GE.

So, chances are getting big, that UAL might get GE engines.

Regards
Gerardo



dominguez(dash)online(dot)ch ... Pushing the limits of my equipment
User currently offlineChiawei From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 942 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (13 years 5 months 6 days ago) and read 1716 times:

777x-has been changed to 777-220LR and -300ER.

What is stopping boeing to develop a 777-y,z.....
and called it a 777-400?

Or even better why not a 787 designation? If united wants PW, chances are boeing will kneel down and give united that option.

regards


User currently offlineRed Panda From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2000, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (13 years 5 months 6 days ago) and read 1702 times:

I thought UAL is using GE engine for their 744 and 772. UAL's 744 engines look a bit diff. from NWA's 744 engines. I know that NWA 744 use PW Engines.

Is GE engines exclusively used on 772/773LR?

regards
r panda


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