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User currently offlineANCsupercub From United States of America, joined May 2007, 139 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2279 times:

With concourse C and A done and B well on its way are there any plans to update the north terminal? I was just in there for the first time in a while and couldn't help but notice how dated it looked.

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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5913 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2221 times:

Yeah, it does look kinda dated.
Having worked in the north terminal until two weeks ago, I can tell you that, as of May 31, there were no OFFICIAL plans to update it. We all kinda suspect it will happen, though.
Word has it that after A and B are finished, US, CO, and DL will be moved over there (makes sense, domestic carriers at domestic terminals). That, however, will leave N very vacant... just the multiple Cathay birds, China 11/12, Eva's 777-300ER at night, and an Asiana bird. Oh, Condor two times a week.

So I don't know why they'd spend much money on an upgrade to a facility that on handles a handful of flights per week, the vast majority of which the passengers stay onboard for.


User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2190 times:

I believe they are starting work this summer on a connector walkway between Concourse C and the North Terminal, which would be a long overdue addition.

I'd say it would be nice to have N for extra gate space, but with UA shafting us again there's going to be plenty of open space in A and B.  Sad

Oh well. If AS ever launches Asian or Russian flights from ANC, at least they'll have plenty of space to do it in.

Personally, I have to wonder if at some point in the future (10-20 years from now) it would help the airport to upgrade A or B to handle multiple heavies and put FIS in the South Terminal and just tear down the North Terminal. Our days as an international connecting passenger hub are long gone, and we don't have the year-round O&D here to support a dedicated international terminal with 8 passenger gates. The fact that the North Terminal isn't part of the airport overhaul tells me that the airport officials aren't expecting much out of the facility in the coming years.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2184 times:



Quoting Chugach (Reply 2):

I believe they are starting work this summer on a connector walkway between Concourse C and the North Terminal, which would be a long overdue addition.

Agreed. I remember 15 years ago when I was bagging for AS that they would use N for the cruise ship passengers to check in because it was that much less crowded. I kind of wish they would go back to that. And that was before they added that bag claim on the end.

Quoting Chugach (Reply 2):
Our days as an international connecting passenger hub are long gone, and we don't have the year-round O&D here to support a dedicated international terminal with 8 passenger gates. The fact that the North Terminal isn't part of the airport overhaul tells me that the airport officials aren't expecting much out of the facility in the coming years.

I am not so sure.

You are assuming that Jet A derived from petrolum will still be used. I wonder if Anchorage, Gander and Shannon will have a new life if they are forced to switch over to a lower energy fuel source like ethanol to power aircraft.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2184 times:

HEY..THERE IS HOPE FOR ANC

Mort Plumb just resigned.

Good now maybe somebody that doesn't lead with cronies will take over.

http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/anchorage/story/435945.html



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User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2172 times:



Quoting L-188 (Reply 4):

Mort Plumb just resigned.

I wonder if that runway fiasco a few weeks ago had anything to do with it.

Here's to hoping they can get somebody in there who can attract some new service up here.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2159 times:



Quoting Chugach (Reply 2):
If AS ever launches Asian or Russian flights from ANC....

I highly doubt AS would go that far with that. The last time AS flew to Russia, they were not making money plus the Russian currency was failing at the time AND M83's were being used.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2139 times:



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 6):
The last time AS flew to Russia, they were not making money plus the Russian currency was failing at the time AND M83's were being used.

They wheren't making money because they where flying MD-83's with extra tanks and no cargo capacity.

Reeve did ok with their operating their 727-100 in a 44 or 48 seat 4 pallet combi.



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User currently offlineRyDawg82 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 868 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1998 times:



Quoting Chugach (Reply 5):
I wonder if that runway fiasco a few weeks ago had anything to do with it.

What happened? Just curious...

Ryan



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1989 times:



Quoting RyDawg82 (Reply 8):
What happened? Just curious...

Short story,

4 plans for a new N/S runway where released.

All of them would involve re-routing the coastal trail so all the trail users showed up to bitch.

And then the airline tenants association showed up and read a statement saying they where also against the project at this time.

The plan ended up being shelved. I think the latter letter is what did it.



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User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1981 times:



Quoting L-188 (Reply 9):
All of them would involve re-routing the coastal trail

Just to clarify, the plan called for extending a parallel N/S runway out into Cook Inlet. It was unnecessary, in my own opinion.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 9):
The plan ended up being shelved. I think the latter letter is what did it.

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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1916 times:



Quoting Chugach (Reply 2):
I believe they are starting work this summer on a connector walkway between Concourse C and the North Terminal, which would be a long overdue addition.

I was at ANC yesterday picking up my daughter . . . she came into C9 . . . construction of the walkway has begun.

Quoting Chugach (Reply 10):
Just to clarify, the plan called for extending a parallel N/S runway out into Cook Inlet. It was unnecessary, in my own opinion.

Absolutely unnecessary. The things already 11000 feet plus . . .


User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2480 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1891 times:
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Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 11):
Quoting Chugach (Reply 10):
Just to clarify, the plan called for extending a parallel N/S runway out into Cook Inlet. It was unnecessary, in my own opinion.

Absolutely unnecessary. The things already 11000 feet plus . . .

There is only one N/S runway. There are two parallel E/W runways though.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1881 times:



Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 12):
There is only one N/S runway. There are two parallel E/W runways though.

That is the thing, they want to add another to the west of the existant one. It would be west of the existant one.

I wish the story that was in the ADN wasn't archived now, it had the diagrams.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1845 times:



Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 12):
There is only one N/S runway. There are two parallel E/W runways though.

Yeah, I rather know that, I live off the end of the 7s . . .

I guess I missed the apostrophe when I typed "things", meaning thing is, needing to have type thing's . . .  sarcastic 

Quoting L-188 (Reply 13):

They don't need it, really.


User currently offlineGRRTVC From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1790 times:

Don't hope for any North Terminal renovations. DL, CO, and US moving back over to the South Terminal isn't rumor its the plan and should happen fall/winter 2009. The A-Concourse hasn't been updated yet. That's the next concourse after B is done.

Its been said the North Terminal has about 10 years of life left before systems (mechanical and electrical) will need to be upgraded.

GRRTVC


User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1760 times:



Quoting GRRTVC (Reply 15):
The A-Concourse hasn't been updated yet. That's the next concourse after B is done.

Yes it has...it was closed from late 2006 to early 2008 for renovations. South Terminal renovations are done after B opens up in 2009.



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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5913 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1752 times:



Quoting GRRTVC (Reply 15):
The A-Concourse hasn't been updated yet.

Um, yeah, actually it was.
Shared Services Aviation was moved into Charlie, and Continental was sent up to N terminal.
Now, Shared is back, and United (the airport's most indecisive carrier) is at CO's old gates. As is Air Canada, handled by United staff.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1743 times:



Quoting GRRTVC (Reply 15):
The A-Concourse hasn't been updated yet. That's the next concourse after B is done.



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 17):
Um, yeah, actually it was.

Nevermind . . .

Answer given.

A Terminal done a while back. Not that no one notices . . . .

Curious to see what happens with B . . . it was completely dismantled . . . only thing left was the Octoagon at the end . . .


User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1730 times:



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 18):
Curious to see what happens with B

Also curious to see who winds up where after renovation is complete. Obviously with UA flipping Alaskans the bird, that leaves A wide open through the winter, save for the Shared Services flights.

Before renovations began, AS used 12 gates: C1-C9, and B3, B4, and B6. Stands to reason that they would return to 12 gates, the only question being which 12 gates. I don't know if NW was permanently moved to C8 and C9, but they sure look permanent over there. The airport even put up new jetways for them.

So, hypothetically, gate utilization could look something like this:

AS: C1-C7, plus an additional 5 gates in the B concourse
NW: C8-C9
DL: Concourse B (2 gates); makes sense to have AS, NW, and DL all fairly close together.
US and SY: Concourse B (1 gate); DL does ground handling for both airlines anyway.

Under that scenario, and assuming that B concourse re-opens with 9 gates as it had before, that leaves 1 open gate in B. Provided that happens, I could easily see AS snapping up the extra gate, and possibly even using it for the AA flight that currently parks at A6 due to lack of space elsewhere.

This would mean that CO would return to its old stomping grounds in the A concourse. The A concourse would then include CO, F9, AC, and Shared Services, plus one or two overflow gates for any seasonal increases.

Speculation rules...



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1726 times:



Quoting Chugach (Reply 19):
A wide open through the winter, save for the Shared Services flights

Wasn't shared services also supposed to end up in C under the original plan?

Quoting Chugach (Reply 19):
Under that scenario, and assuming that B concourse re-opens with 9 gates as it had before, that leaves 1 open gate in B.

Are you counting B-1?

I don't see that gate reopening. It it too close to the new C wing. I remember it being a hell of a tight fit when I worked for AS in 94. It was a pain in the ass when an MD-80 parked on it.



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User currently offlineGRRTVC From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1711 times:



Quoting Chugach (Reply 16):
Yes it has...it was closed from late 2006 to early 2008 for renovations. South Terminal renovations are done after B opens up in 2009.



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 17):
Um, yeah, actually it was.
Shared Services Aviation was moved into Charlie, and Continental was sent up to N terminal.
Now, Shared is back, and United (the airport's most indecisive carrier) is at CO's old gates. As is Air Canada, handled by United staff.

Sorry guys... you're both wrong. The plan for A, if there is enough money leftover from the B-Concourse remodel, is to upgrade it as well. Yes some minor things were done to accommodate UA, F9, AA, and Shared Services, like making the bathrooms a bit larger, but the real work will begin after B is done and the jet carriers move back to B.

Quoting Chugach (Reply 19):
Before renovations began, AS used 12 gates: C1-C9, and B3, B4, and B6. Stands to reason that they would return to 12 gates, the only question being which 12 gates. I don't know if NW was permanently moved to C8 and C9, but they sure look permanent over there. The airport even put up new jetways for them.

Don't be too disappointed when NW is back on B.

Quoting Chugach (Reply 19):

This would mean that CO would return to its old stomping grounds in the A concourse. The A concourse would then include CO, F9, AC, and Shared Services, plus one or two overflow gates for any seasonal increases.

Again, don't be too disappointed when CO, F9, AC, and Shared Services are on B.

Speculation  Wink but considering the industry AS won't be taking 12 gates.


User currently offlineANCsupercub From United States of America, joined May 2007, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1678 times:



Quote:
Sorry guys... you're both wrong. The plan for A, if there is enough money leftover from the B-Concourse remodel, is to upgrade it as well. Yes some minor things were done to accommodate UA, F9, AA, and Shared Services, like making the bathrooms a bit larger, but the real work will begin after B is done and the jet carriers move back to B.

I could be wrong, but by the looks of the building it has already undergone an extensive remodel. It looks nice and new, but I'm not sure how much work was done. Besides bathrooms, what other work would be done? How many gates are in A? I've never had a flight out of there.


User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1630 times:



Quoting L-188 (Reply 20):
Are you counting B-1?

I don't see that gate reopening. It it too close to the new C wing. I remember it being a hell of a tight fit when I worked for AS in 94. It was a pain in the ass when an MD-80 parked on it.

Nope, I'm assuming the old B1 and B2 are gone to history. Although I think you're confusing B1 with B2...B2 was the gate that had to be taken out to make room for C.

Quoting GRRTVC (Reply 21):
Sorry guys... you're both wrong. The plan for A, if there is enough money leftover from the B-Concourse remodel, is to upgrade it as well. Yes some minor things were done to accommodate UA, F9, AA, and Shared Services, like making the bathrooms a bit larger, but the real work will begin after B is done and the jet carriers move back to B.

Where the heck are you getting your information from? There is nothing on the ANC website that corresponds with what you are saying. Every article I've seen says that the South Terminal renovation is done in 2009 when B opens back up.

Quoting GRRTVC (Reply 21):
Don't be too disappointed when NW is back on B.

I could care less where NW has their gates at...I was just pointing out that NW appears to be right at home at the end of C. They even have a brand new check-in area next to AS.

Quoting GRRTVC (Reply 21):
Again, don't be too disappointed when CO, F9, AC, and Shared Services are on B.

They could have AS take over the North Terminal and I wouldn't care so long as the Board Room went with them.

Quoting GRRTVC (Reply 21):
Speculation Wink but considering the industry AS won't be taking 12 gates.

AS had 12 gates before, and they haven't been dropping ANC flights.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1622 times:



Quoting Chugach (Reply 23):
Quoting L-188 (Reply 20):
Are you counting B-1?

I don't see that gate reopening. It it too close to the new C wing. I remember it being a hell of a tight fit when I worked for AS in 94. It was a pain in the ass when an MD-80 parked on it.


Nope, I'm assuming the old B1 and B2 are gone to history. Although I think you're confusing B1 with B2...B2 was the gate that had to be taken out to make room for

Damm that is right. I am on the wrong side of the terminal.

Gate B1 was the one that those Alaska Airlines mechanics taxied the 727 into abou 1988. Burned up the airplane and would have burned up the terminal too if a couple of quick thinking rampers hadn't pushed it off the terminal.

For years you could see the concrete mounting pad for the jetway on the pavement.



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25 Alaska737 : Will you actually be able to go from the B and C gates to the A gates without going in and out of security?
26 Chugach : I believe so, yes. Also, the B/C checkpoint is apparently going to be re-done (a good thing, in my opinion). The article that I read stated that the
27 L-188 : Which in the summer means every day that Princess or Holland America have a boat in Whittier. I remember last August one of my co-workers faked being
28 GRRTVC : The original plan was to start the renovation work on A-Concourse. But when got into design we realized it was better to start with B because of all
29 Chugach : Interesting. Who winds up in A then?
30 L-188 : God I remember when they had a real outdoor observation deck. You used to go up a flight of stairs over by the barbershop and bar. Yeah you guys are
31 AirframeAS : But also, at the time, the Russian currency value was in the toilet. That is a small reason why AS stopped flying to Russia.
32 L-188 : That's a factor too. And the fact that you didn't have the oil exploration activities going to high speed around Shakalin Island at the time either.
33 GRRTVC : There's a good chance there may not be any jet carriers on A. May do some reorganization with the regionals. Can't disagree...probably should have ju
34 Alaska737 : yep great view....speaking of which and not to go off topic, can someone please tell me where Markair used to have their gates? If I remember correct
35 L-188 : Mostly on A but they did use some of the lower gates. A lot of their combi's would unload to the lower A level just like Reeve would.
36 Chugach : Along the lines of removing TSA and putting Era and Penair in A? Also, just out of curiosity, are there plans to re-number the gates at ANC? Doesn't
37 L-188 : Don't know.
38 GRRTVC : There has been some discussions but the challenge is how do you handle upper level versus lower level gates. Certainly if there isn't any boarding fr
39 ANCFlyer : No, really, it doesn't . . . L1 and L2 . . . People have gotten used to it . . . no TSA idiots to worry with, go to the gate, get on the plane, adios
40 Alaska737 : Im not the only one who has seen firearms and hunting knives being brought on those planes right? Thanks I figured you or ANCFlyer would know
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