Lambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2261 times:
Quoting FATFlyer (Thread starter): Allegiant has announced it will make permanent the summer suspensions of flights between Phoenix/Williams to Stockton, Fort Wayne, and Green Bay.
Didn't G4 also announce a number of cuts to its Florida operation as well?
Wonder if they are going to cool their upcoming Flight Attendant recruitment as well..
FATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5667 posts, RR: 17 Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2232 times:
Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 1): Didn't G4 also announce a number of cuts to its Florida operation as well?
Those were seasonal adjustments in Florida.
These 3 routes were announced as seasonal changes but are now permanent.
None of the IWA routes are shown for a return at this time so I assume the entire operation is getting a hard look to focus only on the profitable routes at projected fuel prices.
A few of the SFB routes that were announced as a seasonal cut still show no return date so they are probably also under review.
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5526 posts, RR: 5 Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2186 times:
If and when the environment improves, I'm sure we'll see a return to a lot of the markets that closed.
MtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2119 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2077 times:
I dont see any IWA flights that would be worthwhile. Should shutter the whole IWA operation. IMO. Too bad for SCK though. Having lived in Lodi I can attest to the carousel of operations and no operations that have rolled thru there in last 28 years.
Knope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2555 posts, RR: 31 Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2044 times:
Although Allegiant is first and foremost a scheduled-service airline, an increasing portion of their revenue is coming from ancillary sources...especially tour packages with hotels, car rentals, etc. Vegas is obviously a huge tour-package destination. Central Florida is another destination where package deals are not uncommon, although somewhat less than Vegas. Phoenix simply is not a package-tour destination, and ancillary revenues for their IWA flying are probably far lower than their flagship LAS service.
CALRAMPER From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 92 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2002 times:
Allegiant tends to go where there is a lot of desire to go to popular tourist destinations ie: LAS and SFB, for passengers who want cheap tickets and don't mind paying for everything that is not bolted to the airplane (seat selection, priority boarding, drinks including soda onboard, and luggage). It does seem that more of G4's buisness these days is shifting to package deals and charthers for Harrah's casinos.
MOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 5 Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1895 times:
Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 5): Although Allegiant is first and foremost a scheduled-service airline, an increasing portion of their revenue is coming from ancillary sources...especially tour packages with hotels, car rentals, etc. Vegas is obviously a huge tour-package destination. Central Florida is another destination where package deals are not uncommon, although somewhat less than Vegas. Phoenix simply is not a package-tour destination, and ancillary revenues for their IWA flying are probably far lower than their flagship LAS service.
Right. IIRC, the airline itself operates at a slight loss, but the ancillary revenue carries the airline to its 14% airline industry leading profit margin. In their early investor presentations, they pitched themselves as a "travel agency that happens to fly airplanes." (All thats coming from memory, feel free to correct me.)
BA744PHX From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 324 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1669 times:
Looks like PIA and RFD aren't returning from IWA/AZA as well.
Fort Wayne, IN ends June 28th
Green Bay, WI ends June 29th
Peoria, IL ends June 28th
Rockford, IL ends June 30th
Stockton, CA ends June 30th
So IWA/AZA is down to 7 routes
Bellingham, WA
Billings, MT
Cedar Rapids, IA
Fargo, ND
Missoula, MT
Rapid City, SD
Sioux Falls, SD
Azstar From United States of America, joined May 2005, 541 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1607 times:
Fargo will remain at 2 flights per week until November. According to their website, they will then increase to 5 weekly departures from FAR - IWA.
FlyPeoria From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 377 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1467 times:
Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 8): Looks like PIA and RFD aren't returning from IWA/AZA as well.
Fort Wayne, IN ends June 28th
Green Bay, WI ends June 29th
Peoria, IL ends June 28th
Rockford, IL ends June 30th
Stockton, CA ends June 30th
I've heard that PIA and RFD service is being suspended for the summer, but no announcement that it is permanent. Is there any confirmation on this?
BP1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 576 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1325 times:
These are sad cuts to see. Living so close to IWA, I have always had an eye on the Allegiant operation. Perhaps when the fuel prices come down and we are out of the summer season here in Arizona the interest in those flights will return and Allegiant will be able to produce a business model that works for those cities.
I hope there are no more cuts for IWA from Allegiant.
Cheers,
BP1
"First To Fly The A-380" / 26 October 2007 SYD-SIN Inaugural
KarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2925 posts, RR: 9 Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1210 times:
Quoting FlyPeoria (Reply 12): I've heard that PIA and RFD service is being suspended for the summer, but no announcement that it is permanent.
Courtesy: Business Rockford
Allegiant Flights To Phoenix Will Return To Rockford By Thanksgiving
"But Rockford and Peoria will get the popular flights back, even though the routes are more than 1,300 miles long."
Stapleton From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 270 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1189 times:
I wonder where and when they will be announcing the destinatinos these aircraft will be going to? I'd guess we won't have to wait too long since many of the changes are coming up in the next couple of months.
FlyAZA From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 35 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1134 times:
Disclosure: I work for IWA/AZA in business attaction (not passenger) and am just adding my two cent-worth personal thoughts with whatever general work info I can provide. It's great to see IWA/AZA discussions on A.net!
Quoting Azstar (Reply 10): Fargo will remain at 2 flights per week until November. According to their website, they will then increase to 5 weekly departures from FAR - IWA.
Cedar Rapids, Fargo, Missoula, and Sioux Falls all get an extra flight (3x week) Nov. 2 until Thanksgiving Week. Then they bump up flights significantly Thanksgiving Week:
Cedar Rapids 5x
Fargo 5x
Missoula 4x
Sioux Falls 5x.
After that, everything settles back to the regular 2x except for Fargo which goes to 3x, at least through their current last day of sales on their Web site.
I can provide two general things. Allegiant is definitely committed to IWZ/AZA and while they are adjusting their schedule for the summer the above info demonstrates their commitment, and those are just the existing destinations. Second, we are currently in the midst of planning a $20 million terminal expansion, adding a couple of more gates (3 currently), expanding hold rooms, concessions space, security processing, etc., and more parking. Construction should begin within the next few months.
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