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Turkish Airlines To Get B772ER  
User currently offlineTKfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 673 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9845 times:

According to the following article, http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/yazarlar/...3627.asp?yazarid=41&gid=61&sz=1175

Turkish Airlines is in search of more Longhaul A/C to expand its network. IAD, YYZ and GRU are planned for next season.
Some Leasing companies are offering Alitalias B772 as AZ wants to get rid of some longhaul A/C. Turkish Airlines would take up to five of these birds if there is an agreement.

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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2245 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9694 times:



Quoting TKfan (Thread starter):
Turkish Airlines would take up to five of these birds if there is an agreement.

TK livery on a 772 would look  cloudnine   hearts 



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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9354 times:

Now that is interesting.
First sign that anything is happening at Alitalia. The (according to EU law) illegal money injection can only help for the rest of the year, but probably has to be paid back before that date. How things are running at Alitalia (can only get worse at the current fuel-prices) the 300 millions are burnt by year-end anyway, the Italian taxpayer betrayed and Alitalia one day from bankruptcy again. This deal could happen quick.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9285 times:

I can't see this happening.
AZ's 777s are money making planes, why would they return them?
TK should/could get more 340s and crew and maintain them without adding yet another type to the fleet.
By the way, TK have no bilateral to fly to YYZ, no real need to fly to IAD (TK should go ORD daily first if they need a real Star hub), and no demand to fly IST-GRU (one stop in Africa planned, don't think even 772ERs can make it non stop west bound).


User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 6642 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9271 times:

I see I-DEID, one of AZ's 763s has gone to TAM. Was this planned or a result of financial troubles and the government loan to AZ?

User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 9200 times:



Quoting TK787 (Reply 3):
AZ's 777s are money making planes, why would they return them?

AZ is losing 1 million Euros in a day, and the 777 surely have their share in it.


User currently offlineEmrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 945 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 9196 times:

I hope this news is not just a rumour..

User currently offlineJanmnastami From Italy, joined Apr 2008, 828 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 9160 times:

AZ don't want to give back those planes.

Some rumours say that AZ has some problems in payment with Gecas, but it's only a rumour and it is not confirmed, so it could be false.

Quoting TKfan (Thread starter):
AZ wants to get rid of some longhaul A/C

This isn't true.

Quoting NA (Reply 5):
AZ is losing 1 million Euros in a day

AZ is losing more than 2 million euros every day.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26169 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 8835 times:

As TK787 has mentioned TK is actively looking for interim lift while it works on placing a long awaited 350/787 order.

The 777 along with more 340s(including -600) have been offered the to the carrier by both leasing companies and manufacturers. Just because TK currently is a 330/340 operator, I would not rule out the possibility of the 777 fleet.



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User currently offlineHummingBird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8308 times:
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I have doubts regarding the second JM 340.....Due to conflicts of interest, the aircraft is still parked in KIN........


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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7980 times:



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 12):
I have doubts regarding the second JM 340.....Due to conflicts of interest, the aircraft is still parked in KIN........

Thanks for the update.
As far as I know the first one (6Y-JMP cn 257), painted in TK colors and photographed last month at LFLX, and promised to join the fleet beginning of June, still M.I.A.


User currently offlineBahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1835 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6462 times:

THY is being too ambitious about the entire expansion when the oil is at $140/b.
Another type of aircraft will add a lot more to the cost of ... everything.. In addition, TK is not the only airline that needs additional 777 lift. There are existing operators and 787 ordered airlines that can use AZ's birds.. IF they are available.



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User currently offline1821 From Greece, joined Jul 2007, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6301 times:

About time. TK is a very good well managed airline and they deserve the best. I think the 777 will suite them much better than the A330'S even though i love Airbus


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User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 6642 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6218 times:

The Qatar A340-600s have not found new homes yet have they?

User currently offline1821 From Greece, joined Jul 2007, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5951 times:



Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 13):

I don't think they have. I do not see however y TK would not snap them up. I still think the 777 if far better for TK though.



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User currently offlineTKfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 673 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks ago) and read 4949 times:



Quoting Janmnastami (Reply 7):
AZ don't want to give back those planes.

Some rumours say that AZ has some problems in payment with Gecas, but it's only a rumour and it is not confirmed, so it could be false.



Quoting Janmnastami (Reply 7):
This isn't true.

I just made a little summary of the article, this is due to a fleet revision by Alitalia. It might be true as Alitalia cuts lots of longhaul flights out of Milan-Malpensa.
The weird thing is that the 777 are considered/mentioned and not the older 767 or MD11.

The Article says also the planes are offered by the Leasing Company, so it might be true that there are some problems with GECAS.

Quoting Bahadir (Reply 11):
THY is being too ambitious about the entire expansion when the oil is at $140/b.
Another type of aircraft will add a lot more to the cost of ... everything.. In addition, TK is not the only airline that needs additional 777 lift. There are existing operators and 787 ordered airlines that can use AZ's birds.. IF they are available.

Maybe thats the point, if the oil price continues to rise, it makes sense to use newer and fuel efficient planes. The fuel savings might also compensate additional costs occurred by a new fleet type.
I.e. the ex-Jamaican birds are manufactured in 1998/1999 and the current 772 of AZ in 2002/2003.


User currently offlineJanmnastami From Italy, joined Apr 2008, 828 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4775 times:



Quoting TKfan (Reply 15):
just made a little summary of the article, this is due to a fleet revision by Alitalia. It might be true as Alitalia cuts lots of longhaul flights out of Milan-Malpensa.
The weird thing is that the 777 are considered/mentioned and not the older 767 or MD11.

The Article says also the planes are offered by the Leasing Company, so it might be true that there are some problems with GECAS.

AZ has cut many long-haul routes from MXP, but those routes have been opened from FCO, so AZ can't give back the 777s. The only possible reason could be a problem with payment, but I think that AZ will do everything possible to keep the 777s.


User currently offlineTKfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 673 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4519 times:



Quoting Janmnastami (Reply 16):
AZ has cut many long-haul routes from MXP, but those routes have been opened from FCO, so AZ can't give back the 777s. The only possible reason could be a problem with payment, but I think that AZ will do everything possible to keep the 777s.

I dont think AZ made a 1:1 substitution of the flights, they cut a lot of flights and routes. I dont know all details but there is a significant decrease in Passenger numbers.
It is inevitable they have to cut some capacity.

Some AEA numbers:

April 2008
PAX: 1.555.700 -25.9%
ASK: 3.499m -16.7%
RSK 2.321m -27.3%

Jan-Apr 2008
Pax: 6.579.800 -13.4%
ASK: 15.166m -8.6%
RPK: 10.169m -14.3%


User currently offlineJanmnastami From Italy, joined Apr 2008, 828 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4352 times:

Quoting TKfan (Reply 17):
I dont think AZ made a 1:1 substitution of the flights, they cut a lot of flights and routes. I dont know all details but there is a significant decrease in Passenger numbers.
It is inevitable they have to cut some capacity.

The cuts were on short-haul routes; regarding to long-haul, some routes have been closed and the 767s used for those routes grounded (not the 777s).

At the moment, AZ can NOT give back the 777s.

[Edited 2008-06-18 14:24:19]

User currently offlineFrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1715 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4330 times:

Call me crazy if you like, but I suspect TK to be behind the UFO order of 35 789's and 10 77W's on Boeings website...  bouncy 


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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4219 times:



Quoting Frigatebird (Reply 19):

Though it might sound cool, 35 789s a bit too much for TK, even by 2015 on. We are talking about 35x, two class, 366 seat planes, not including the T7s. Maybe I am a bit short sighted.


User currently offlineFlyMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4199 times:

Would like to see the TK 777 in ORD someday!


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User currently offline1821 From Greece, joined Jul 2007, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4135 times:

The 777 makes more sense flying IST to JFK than most destinations i think.


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User currently offlineFrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1715 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4031 times:



Quoting TK787 (Reply 20):
Though it might sound cool, 35 789s a bit too much for TK, even by 2015 on. We are talking about 35x, two class, 366 seat planes, not including the T7s

I agree that it would be a huge expansion, but in an interview with a Dutch newspaper the TK CEO said that their growth in passenger numbers to the Middle East surprised even them. And as QR and EK (and now GF as well!) is anticipating on even more growth in air traffic to the ME, why shouldn't TK?

But I admit it's a bit of a long shot, just a wild guess by me  Smile

By the way, 366 passengers in a 2-class 789  crowded ? Don't let QF hear about that Wow! I guess you meant that number for the 77W  Wink



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User currently offlineTKfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 673 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3911 times:



Quoting Frigatebird (Reply 19):
Call me crazy if you like, but I suspect TK to be behind the UFO order of 35 789's and 10 77W's on Boeings website...

Its not crazy at all. When Boeing announced the UFO order, I thought (hoped) its from TK although its a different A/C type. If the price is OK, why not???

Quoting TK787 (Reply 20):
Though it might sound cool, 35 789s a bit too much for TK, even by 2015 on. We are talking about 35x, two class, 366 seat planes, not including the T7s. Maybe I am a bit short sighted.

Considering the first available 787-Slots are in 2015/2016 this is not too much. We talked in several threads about the ambitious growing plans of TK. If TK reach these targets than neither 45WB Aircraft are too much nor some A/C with 366 seats.

Quoting 1821 (Reply 22):
The 777 makes more sense flying IST to JFK than most destinations i think.

IST-JFK would be a waste of Range with a 777. Prefer double daily 332.


25 Stylo777 : actually I'm very sceptical when news came up including TK and a (new) longhaul-plane! just take a look, they couldn't manage to get two stored 343s i
26 BA319-131 : - I think this is still a while away yet, I hope it's true as she looks great in QR colours. M
27 TK787 : Sorry my mistake. I was looking at the high end of 350-900 numbers, 787-900 is more like 290 seats. So I take it back, 35 789s would be just fine to
28 Jacobin777 : Me too..
29 Kogge : What a "brilliant' comment..please keep on adding more intelligent posts to the board! As boring as the numerous "short" posts "What a beauty", "Way
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