BALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3967 times:
Quoting Sandyb123 (Reply 1): I'm sure I remember talking to some cabin crew on a late flight back to EDI from LCY and they had done other legs on that aircraft that day??
They used to but now they have a LCY Cabin Crew base.
I know they operate the following positioning sectors on a friday ex EDI
But does anyone know why BA leased in this aircraft. Is it because one of the two RJ85s that they planned to add to their fleet has not yet been delivered? Or is it because even with the two RJ85s they had insufficient capacity to provide all the new services from LCY? And, if the latter, does anyone know how BA plan to address this shortage in capacity in the longer term?
BALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3644 times:
Quoting VV701 (Reply 4):
But does anyone know why BA leased in this aircraft. Is it because one of the two RJ85s that they planned to add to their fleet has not yet been delivered? Or is it because even with the two RJ85s they had insufficient capacity to provide all the new services from LCY? And, if the latter, does anyone know how BA plan to address this shortage in capacity in the longer term?
The fleet of 10 RJ100 has been fully utilised wef of May this year. The two new RJ85's are now fully operational. One ops
MAD/LCY/MAD/LCY/MAD and the other
ZRH/LCY/AMS/ZRH/LCY/ZRH/LCY/ZRH.
BACF managed to get there hand on more slots and have leased the aircraft long term until they can find a replacement. Another Bae146 will enter into service in September to operate the extra EDI and Nce service this a/c will op
EDI/LCY/EDI/LCY/NCE/LCY/EDI.
They are currently looking to add more RJ85's however they are finding it difficult to find suitable a/c. Also the whole fleet is under review with a announcement likely either late 2008 early 2009. They are looking at replacing all the RJ aircraft with either Embrear 170/175 and Embrear 190 ( The 190/195 undergo's it's certification for LCY later this year) or the Dash8-400 . http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...on-all-change-at-ba-cityflyer.html
AIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2364 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3542 times:
Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 5): They are looking at replacing all the RJ aircraft with either Embrear 170/175 and Embrear 190 ( The 190/195 undergo's it's certification for LCY later this year) or the Dash8-400 .
Hope will they go with the E70, E75 and E90. The DH8s are a capacity downgrade compared to the ARJs.
BALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3489 times:
Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 6): Hope will they go with the E70, E75 and E90. The DH8s are a capacity downgrade compared to the ARJs.
Agreed but the cost savings of the Dash8 to Ejets is quite big.
Also BACF struggle to fill routes like FRA, ZRH, GLA and AMS. The reason they survuve is that all the tickets sold have good yields as the majority of tickets are full fare tickets. The only routes they would struggle using the DH4 are MAD, BCN, NCE and WAW due to the length of sector and and on the lucrative EDI route where the first two flights ex EDI operate with a 90-95% load factor Monday to Friday and The last three ex LCY also operate with a high load factor 5 days a week
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21465 posts, RR: 24 Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2198 times:
Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 7): Also BACF struggle to fill routes like FRA, ZRH, GLA and AMS. The reason they survuve is that all the tickets sold have good yields as the majority of tickets are full fare tickets.
If not mistaken BA ARJs have very cramped 6-abreast seating. At least on LCY-ZRH, they'd probably fill more seats if they had the same much more spacious 5-abreast layout used by their competitor LX.
In my experience, 5-abreast ARJs/BAe146s like those operated by LX and SN are the most comfortable narrowbody jet of all, while those with 6-abreast seating are the worst. I go out of my way to avoid them and I expect many other passengers do too.
Sandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 867 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2184 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 11): If not mistaken BA ARJs have very cramped 6-abreast seating
Yes, this is correct they are cramped 6 abreast seating except the final row on the starboard side which is 2 seats. I believe that BA fly their Avro's with the maximum 138 seats at 29 inch seat pitch. Tight.
BALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2026 times:
Quoting Sandyb123 (Reply 12): Yes, this is correct they are cramped 6 abreast seating except the final row on the starboard side which is 2 seats. I believe that BA fly their Avro's with the maximum 138 seats at 29 inch seat pitch. Tight.
BA's RJ100 hold 110 pax don't know where you get 138 from unless they strap them to the wing it is still cramped with a 31-32 seat pitch
Sandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 867 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1937 times:
Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 14): BA's RJ100 hold 110 pax don't know where you get 138 from unless they strap them to the wing it is still cramped with a 31-32 seat pitch
Sorry, I was quoting the A.net aircraft data for the ARJ 100 but got it 10 out. I thought that BA flew the Avro on maximum capacity:
RJ100 - Maximum seating of 128 passengers at six abreast and 74cm (29in) pitch.
Vfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3591 posts, RR: 5 Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1921 times:
Don't know where these figures are from, but the correct data as per CAA Type Certificate is:
AVRO 146
RJ 70 Number of persons, including crew is not to exceed 100
RJ 85 Number of persons, including crew is not to exceed 118
RJ 100 Number of persons, including crew is not to exceed 118
RJ 115 Number of persons, including crew is not to exceed 124
VV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 6620 posts, RR: 17 Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1399 times:
Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 14): BA's RJ100 hold 110 pax don't know where you get 138 from unless they strap them to the wing it is still cramped with a 31-32 seat pitch
Are some of the seats on the RJ100 and RJ85 convertible from 6 abreast to 5 abreast to be used as Club Europe seats on international flights? And if so is the seat pitch different between the convertible and non-convertible rows (like 32" for the convertible rows and 31" for the unconvertible rows?
I guess on the RJ100 there are a total of 18 rows plus the 'short' 2-seat row on the right side of the aircraft at the back. What is the equivalent configuration for the RJ85s?
BALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1326 times:
Quoting VV701 (Reply 19): Are some of the seats on the RJ100 and RJ85 convertible from 6 abreast to 5 abreast to be used as Club Europe seats on international flights? And if so is the seat pitch different between the convertible and non-convertible rows (like 32" for the convertible rows and 31" for the unconvertible rows?
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