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BA LCY RJ Fleet - Weekend Utilisation  
User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3759 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5008 times:

LCY closes 12Noon Saturday to 12Noon Sunday, what happens to the BA aircraft, do they park at their bases?

or is there an opportunity for them to do some W flights in the high season July-August period?

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User currently offlineSandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4898 times:
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Are the RJ's on LCY routes exclusive on that route?

I'm sure I remember talking to some cabin crew on a late flight back to EDI from LCY and they had done other legs on that aircraft that day??

Sandyb123



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User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4844 times:

If I remember rightly

6 x RJ100 and 1x RJ85 are parked up at there main EDI base.

2 x RJ100 stay at LCY or STN.

2 x RJ100 stay at GLA.

The Bae 146-200 that ops the DUB route belongs to flightline and I think returns to SEN.

BACF only operate from EDI/GLA/FRA/ZRH/WAW/BCN/MAD/AMS to LCY

In the Summer BACF operate From 14th June to 29th Sept 1 x RJ100 ops EDI/PMI/EDI on a Saturday.

In the Winter BACF operate from 21 December to 12th April 1 x RJ100 EDI/GVA/EDI on a Sunday am

I believe they also used to operate weekend charters ex BHX but not sure if they still do


User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4833 times:



Quoting Sandyb123 (Reply 1):
I'm sure I remember talking to some cabin crew on a late flight back to EDI from LCY and they had done other legs on that aircraft that day??

They used to but now they have a LCY Cabin Crew base.

I know they operate the following positioning sectors on a friday ex EDI

BA1901P 1910 1910 STN STN ....5.. AR1 0 04Apr 02May
BA1901P 2020 2020 LCY LCY ....5.. AR1 0 09May 24Oct


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7681 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4611 times:



Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 2):
The Bae 146-200 that ops the DUB route belongs to flightline and I think returns to SEN.

Here it is with at DUB with BA titles and the BA Speedmarque:

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But does anyone know why BA leased in this aircraft. Is it because one of the two RJ85s that they planned to add to their fleet has not yet been delivered? Or is it because even with the two RJ85s they had insufficient capacity to provide all the new services from LCY? And, if the latter, does anyone know how BA plan to address this shortage in capacity in the longer term?


User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4510 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 4):

But does anyone know why BA leased in this aircraft. Is it because one of the two RJ85s that they planned to add to their fleet has not yet been delivered? Or is it because even with the two RJ85s they had insufficient capacity to provide all the new services from LCY? And, if the latter, does anyone know how BA plan to address this shortage in capacity in the longer term?

The fleet of 10 RJ100 has been fully utilised wef of May this year. The two new RJ85's are now fully operational. One ops

MAD/LCY/MAD/LCY/MAD and the other

ZRH/LCY/AMS/ZRH/LCY/ZRH/LCY/ZRH.

BACF managed to get there hand on more slots and have leased the aircraft long term until they can find a replacement. Another Bae146 will enter into service in September to operate the extra EDI and Nce service this a/c will op

EDI/LCY/EDI/LCY/NCE/LCY/EDI.

They are currently looking to add more RJ85's however they are finding it difficult to find suitable a/c. Also the whole fleet is under review with a announcement likely either late 2008 early 2009. They are looking at replacing all the RJ aircraft with either Embrear 170/175 and Embrear 190 ( The 190/195 undergo's it's certification for LCY later this year) or the Dash8-400 .
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...on-all-change-at-ba-cityflyer.html

[Edited 2008-06-15 12:07:43]

[Edited 2008-06-15 12:08:44]

User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2526 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4408 times:



Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 5):
They are looking at replacing all the RJ aircraft with either Embrear 170/175 and Embrear 190 ( The 190/195 undergo's it's certification for LCY later this year) or the Dash8-400 .

Hope will they go with the E70, E75 and E90. The DH8s are a capacity downgrade compared to the ARJs.



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User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4355 times:



Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 6):
Hope will they go with the E70, E75 and E90. The DH8s are a capacity downgrade compared to the ARJs.

Agreed but the cost savings of the Dash8 to Ejets is quite big.

Also BACF struggle to fill routes like FRA, ZRH, GLA and AMS. The reason they survuve is that all the tickets sold have good yields as the majority of tickets are full fare tickets. The only routes they would struggle using the DH4 are MAD, BCN, NCE and WAW due to the length of sector and and on the lucrative EDI route where the first two flights ex EDI operate with a 90-95% load factor Monday to Friday and The last three ex LCY also operate with a high load factor 5 days a week

I personally think they will order.

15-17 E75's or 10 E70/75 a/c and 5-7 E90's


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7681 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4203 times:



Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 5):

Many thanks for your reply.


User currently offlineFreckles From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2007, 386 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3781 times:



Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 5):
ZRH/LCY/AMS/ZRH/LCY/ZRH/LCY/ZRH.

How come BA put it out to AMS, and then onto ZRH without returning?


User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3653 times:



Quoting Freckles (Reply 9):
How come BA put it out to AMS, and then onto ZRH without returning?

Doh!!!! Thanks for pointing it out. Should be

ZRH/LCY/AMS/LCY/ZRH/LCY/ZRH.

Sorry about that.

Have just chatted to a mate at BACF he says the

1st RJ85 ops
Mon-Fri MAD/LCY/MAD/LCY/MAD
Sat MAD/LCY/EDI
Sun EDI/LCY/MAD

2nd RJ85 ops

Mon-Fri ZRH/LCY/AMS/LCY/ZRH/LCY/ZRH.
Sat ZRH/LCY/EDI

However it's Sunday Schedule is a bit of a mystery

Flight operate EDI/LCY arriving at LCY 13:25 Then yesterday it operated the WAW 1hr 10 mins late (schedule is 12:45) Then the late ZRH.

However what it should operate is EDI/LCY/NCE/LCY/ZRH.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25843 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3064 times:



Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 7):
Also BACF struggle to fill routes like FRA, ZRH, GLA and AMS. The reason they survuve is that all the tickets sold have good yields as the majority of tickets are full fare tickets.

If not mistaken BA ARJs have very cramped 6-abreast seating. At least on LCY-ZRH, they'd probably fill more seats if they had the same much more spacious 5-abreast layout used by their competitor LX.

In my experience, 5-abreast ARJs/BAe146s like those operated by LX and SN are the most comfortable narrowbody jet of all, while those with 6-abreast seating are the worst. I go out of my way to avoid them and I expect many other passengers do too.


User currently offlineSandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3050 times:
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Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 11):
If not mistaken BA ARJs have very cramped 6-abreast seating

Yes, this is correct they are cramped 6 abreast seating except the final row on the starboard side which is 2 seats. I believe that BA fly their Avro's with the maximum 138 seats at 29 inch seat pitch. Tight.

Sandyb123



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User currently offlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1413 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3015 times:

Definitely not 138 in an Avro.

Regards

Mike


User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2892 times:



Quoting Sandyb123 (Reply 12):
Yes, this is correct they are cramped 6 abreast seating except the final row on the starboard side which is 2 seats. I believe that BA fly their Avro's with the maximum 138 seats at 29 inch seat pitch. Tight.

BA's RJ100 hold 110 pax don't know where you get 138 from unless they strap them to the wing it is still cramped with a 31-32 seat pitch


User currently offlineSandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2803 times:
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Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 14):
BA's RJ100 hold 110 pax don't know where you get 138 from unless they strap them to the wing it is still cramped with a 31-32 seat pitch

Sorry, I was quoting the A.net aircraft data for the ARJ 100 but got it 10 out. I thought that BA flew the Avro on maximum capacity:

RJ100 - Maximum seating of 128 passengers at six abreast and 74cm (29in) pitch.

Sandyb123



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User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4030 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2787 times:

Don't know where these figures are from, but the correct data as per CAA Type Certificate is:

AVRO 146
RJ 70 Number of persons, including crew is not to exceed 100
RJ 85 Number of persons, including crew is not to exceed 118
RJ 100 Number of persons, including crew is not to exceed 118
RJ 115 Number of persons, including crew is not to exceed 124


User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3759 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2636 times:



Quoting Sandyb123 (Reply 12):
except the final row on the starboard side which is 2 seats

I quite like those, plenty of elbow room.


User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2424 times:



Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 16):
RJ 85 Number of persons, including crew is not to exceed 118

Now that would be a tight squeeze the BA RJ85's are configured to 87.


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7681 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2265 times:



Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 14):
BA's RJ100 hold 110 pax don't know where you get 138 from unless they strap them to the wing it is still cramped with a 31-32 seat pitch

Are some of the seats on the RJ100 and RJ85 convertible from 6 abreast to 5 abreast to be used as Club Europe seats on international flights? And if so is the seat pitch different between the convertible and non-convertible rows (like 32" for the convertible rows and 31" for the unconvertible rows?

I guess on the RJ100 there are a total of 18 rows plus the 'short' 2-seat row on the right side of the aircraft at the back. What is the equivalent configuration for the RJ85s?


User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2192 times:



Quoting VV701 (Reply 19):
Are some of the seats on the RJ100 and RJ85 convertible from 6 abreast to 5 abreast to be used as Club Europe seats on international flights? And if so is the seat pitch different between the convertible and non-convertible rows (like 32" for the convertible rows and 31" for the unconvertible rows?

I believe it can carry a club load of up to 65.


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