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User currently offlineNwarooster From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1127 posts, RR: 3
Posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 12600 times:
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N697CA which was the last passenger 727 built was just put into storage after Champion Air shut down May 31, 2008. It was originally built for Iraqi Airways but was not delivered due the Iraqi militants storming the US embassy in Tehran. The plane was delivered to US Airways on April 6, 1983. It then flew for Sterling Airlines before being Delivered to Champion Air on November 12, 1997. Does anyone know of any possible future uses for this aircraft or if it may be put into a museum?

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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16892 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 12606 times:



Quoting Nwarooster (Thread starter):
It was originally built for Iraqi Airways but was not delivered due the Iraqi militants storming the US embassy in Tehran

Do you mean Iran?



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User currently offlineNwarooster From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1127 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 12578 times:
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Quoting STT757 (Reply 1):


Quoting Nwarooster (Thread starter):
It was originally built for Iraqi Airways but was not delivered due the Iraqi militants storming the US embassy in Tehran

Do you mean Iran?

Yes, you are correct.


User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 12547 times:



Quoting Nwarooster (Thread starter):
Does anyone know of any possible future uses for this aircraft or if it may be put into a museum?

More than likely it will be scrapped. The future for 727s as freighters isn't good whne you take into account the recent surge in 757 and 767 freighter conversions.

The first 767 ended up in the desert too.


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IMO, the first aircraft of a specific type are more noteworthy.


User currently offlineCodyKDiamond From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 537 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12262 times:

This is very sad news. I flew 697 just under a year ago on 7/5/07 and then went to see the Dreamliner rollout. I hope she doesn't get scrapped. Which boneyard is she in? Thanks for posting this.

User currently offlineMSYPI7185 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 12152 times:



Quoting Nwarooster (Reply 2):
Quoting STT757 (Reply 1):


Quoting Nwarooster (Thread starter):
It was originally built for Iraqi Airways but was not delivered due the Iraqi militants storming the US embassy in Tehran

Do you mean Iran?

Yes, you are correct.

Both are correct as it was the US Embassy in Tehran, Iran that the militants stormed and took the hostages.

My guess is this aircraft gets scrapped, exp with fuel where it is now.

Later MD


User currently offlineTwinOtter4Ever From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 12112 times:



Quoting CodyKDiamond (Reply 4):
This is very sad news. I flew 697 just under a year ago on 7/5/07 and then went to see the Dreamliner rollout. I hope she doesn't get scrapped. Which boneyard is she in? Thanks for posting this.

You may kick your self, but you were within a mile or two of the first 727 when you say the 787 in 07' They are currently restoring it to flyable...

see here.... http://www.rbogash.com/ual727tx.htm it si found over a the museum restoration centre at the other end of PAE field....they have a Comet 4c too...nifty website that one...they should have an ex AC Connie coming to town later this year...


User currently offlineBeechNut From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 727 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11180 times:

Ah, the 727. Many hours riding in the back of those. Great aircraft. Geez it seems like not so long ago that, when flying on business, I'd be saying "oh no, not another 727" (in the hopes of getting on board something a bit more exotic... like an L1011). Now, if I walked up to the gate and saw a 727 waiting for me, I'd be as excited as a small kid.

Most memorable 727 flight: a LADECO 727-100 from Santiago to Concepcion in Chile, and back again. Especially the southbound flight, at sunset, sitting on the left side, with the sun shining against the Andes. This was in the early '90s, when even a -100 series was getting rare. The plane looked beautifully maintained, like someone had painstakingly restored a '64 Chevy with enormous pride.

Also flew the 727-233ADV many times from YUL to YVR and back. Those flights were right on the limit of the range, and invariably were at MGTOW and quite exciting, with a very long takeoff roll, and seeming to just stagger into the sky.

I can still hear the sounds of the engines in back, the jackscrews actuating the flaps, etc.

But my favourite remains the DC-9 and you can still cop a ride on those!

Beech


User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4353 posts, RR: 35
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11002 times:

I was on tour at the LAB premises in Cochabamba, Bolivia last month, and while the airline isn't active now, they are doing overhauls on 727s and they told about a dozen of Champion 727s would head for Bolivia, some to be taken by LAB and some to be sold onwards, so there might be a few years of life left in this particular aircraft.


nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
User currently offlineDBCooper From Brazil, joined Jun 2004, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6999 times:

I flew on N697CA on 9May OKC>LAS. I thought the aircraft was still in pretty good shape.

I came back on N681CA 11May - also in good shape.

Both flights were 100% full - apparently Worry Free Vacations knows how to fill their charters!

It was fantastic to ride on these classics. I sure hope they, and the crew that operated these flights, find good homes soon.

The WFV service is now contracted out to Allegiant.


- DBC


User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6962 times:



Quoting DBCooper (Reply 9):
I flew on N697CA on 9May OKC>LAS. I thought the aircraft was still in pretty good shape.

I came back on N681CA 11May - also in good shape.

Well, I'm glad you didn't decide to leap out of the aft exit this time, DB!  bouncy 


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12171 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6197 times:

Perhaps she can continue flying in South America, SE Asia, or Africa?

User currently offlineWN700Driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6133 times:



Quote:
Geez it seems like not so long ago that, when flying on business, I'd be saying "oh no, not another 727" (in the hopes of getting on board something a bit more exotic... like an L1011). Now, if I walked up to the gate and saw a 727 waiting for me, I'd be as excited as a small kid.

I had almost the exact same thought the other day. And then I thought to myself how long it would be before I felt the same way about the 733s & 734s we have. I don't usually work on those, but I sure do fly on them a lot. I always wish I was on something else too, well almost always. . . But that's just right now. 10 more years, when it is only 73NG & A32#s out there (in the mid range market) how cool might it be to see a 733 or Super 80?


User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4743 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5441 times:

Truly a great aircraft,

In my opinion the best Handling Boeing narrow body they ever made,

The 707 was a great and revolutionary aircraft but it was like driving a truck with the power steering off, and with an engine failure the required rudder forces were so high you could just about run out of leg strength !

The 737 is a good aircraft but doesn't compare in the handling department, and it yaws all over the place with a bad ride in turbulence.

The 757 is a nice machine with lots of power and great performance but does not come close to the control authority available in the magnificent 727.

Everything was oversized for the job on the 727, 4 Ailerons, a massive vertical fin and horizontal stab, along with a brilliant high lift, flap / slat system allowing for operation on fairly short fields if necessary.

A beautiful 35 degree swept wing with lots of flexilbility made for a very fast but smooth riding aircraft, it used to just cut through turbulence with minimal fuss, while, if you looked outside that wing would be just flapping away, soaking it all up.

Could be a little unforgiving on landing if you did not pay attention, but the challenge made it even more enjoyable, the first jet I ever flew and what a privilege it was..



The best contribution to safety is a competent Pilot.
User currently offlineFalconBird From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1262 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5376 times:

It's really sad to see the 727-200 models slowing/rapidly fading away. The were obsolutely one of the best aircraft ever made, bar-none. What a work horse!


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User currently offlineLegend11 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 107 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4134 times:

What a great machine- one of the best flights I ever had was on a NW B727 from BOS-DTW. Flight was sched as an Airbus A320, which would have been my first airbus ride, and so was somewhat disappointed to find a B727, but what a great ride back to DTW,

Also had to fly from DTW-IND once for a funeral. Had a NWA DC9 DTW-IND (definitely not one of my favorite aircraft) and a NWA B727 back to DTW. The DTW flight was late arriving IND, but did a complete turn in less than 20 minutes, and then an extremely fast taxi from terminal to 05L for departure. We had to do some holding due to a power failiure at DTW, but the Captain announced his ETA into DTW and hit it dead on.

I also had the opportunity to jump seat during my time at BAX Global, and the best rides were always sitting behind the captain in the first jump seat. Great view, not to mention the fun of being able to ride in the cockpit. Best of those rides was in a B727-100QC that BAX owned, and operated by AJT. We had asked that particular crew to run and extra section TOL-MKE-TOL, and the Captain, who was a friend, asked me to ride along. We ferried to MKE empty, and that take off was like riding a rocket ship. Got up to FL 250 in a real hurry, and block to block TOL-MKE was like 23 minutes, which was faster than I could get from my home in TOL to the airport. We had about an 11 minute turn, loading up 7 cans of freight, and then about another 22 minutes MKE-TOL. This particular Captain was real big on fuel economy, and liked to stay high until cleared to approach. He then proceeded to fly the approach into TOL with little power, landed and made the first taxiway to the Bax ramp using brakes only, and no reverse thrust. Very impressive ride,,,,


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25843 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 3799 times:



Quoting TwinOtter4Ever (Reply 6):
You may kick yourself, but you were within a mile or two of the first 727 when you saw the 787 in 07' They are currently restoring it to flyable...

The first 737 and 747 off the line also survive at the SEA Museum of Flight. As mentioned,the first 727 (donated by UA) is now being restored at Everett.


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The first 757 and 777 are still flying -- the 757 as a testbed for the F-22 program.


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Unfortunately the first production 707 hit a mountain on Montserrat in the Caribbean in 1965 while with Pan Am, killing all 30 aboard.


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3691 times:



Quoting Nwarooster (Thread starter):
originally built for Iraqi Airways but was not delivered due the Iraqi militants storming the US embassy in Tehran.

I really hope that wasnt the reason the aircraft wasnt delivered to Iraqi Airways

Quoting BeechNut (Reply 7):
Also flew the 727-233ADV many times from YUL to YVR and back.

I think AC 129 was the westbound flght number,sometimes it was a DC-8 then a 767

AC 155 was another cross country 72S. YYT-YHZ-YUL-YYC-YVR with AC 144 being the east bound portion


User currently offlineBeechNut From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 727 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3553 times:

Yep, AC 129; rode that one many times, though too late for the DC-8 (flew those on CP Air though). Mostly flew it with a 727, maybe once or twice with a 767, and definitely frequently with an A320.

Beech


User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3725 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3252 times:

I could afford it, I would turn it in to my own VIP jet. The 727 was built better than these 737 and A320 we have today. I would even say it was built better than an A330 or 767. It sad that Champion went under, now all those great 727 are likely to go to the desert.  Sad

User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4743 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2818 times:

It WAS better built, the designers did not have access to computer aided design and known stress tolerances so they just overbuilt it,' like a tank' is an understatement.

Of course, fuel was cheap..



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User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2780 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2694 times:



Quoting Nwarooster (Thread starter):
The plane was delivered to US Airways on April 6, 1983. It then flew for Sterling Airlines before being Delivered to Champion Air on November 12, 1997


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It also flew for Air Columbus and for the Sterling European Airlines after Sterling Airways went bankrupt


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