Nwarooster From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 849 posts, RR: 3 Posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 11520 times:
N697CA which was the last passenger 727 built was just put into storage after Champion Air shut down May 31, 2008. It was originally built for Iraqi Airways but was not delivered due the Iraqi militants storming the US embassy in Tehran. The plane was delivered to US Airways on April 6, 1983. It then flew for Sterling Airlines before being Delivered to Champion Air on November 12, 1997. Does anyone know of any possible future uses for this aircraft or if it may be put into a museum?
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16261 posts, RR: 52 Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 11526 times:
Quoting Nwarooster (Thread starter): It was originally built for Iraqi Airways but was not delivered due the Iraqi militants storming the US embassy in Tehran
Nwarooster From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 849 posts, RR: 3 Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 11498 times:
Quoting Nwarooster (Thread starter):
It was originally built for Iraqi Airways but was not delivered due the Iraqi militants storming the US embassy in Tehran
Flynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 11467 times:
Quoting Nwarooster (Thread starter): Does anyone know of any possible future uses for this aircraft or if it may be put into a museum?
More than likely it will be scrapped. The future for 727s as freighters isn't good whne you take into account the recent surge in 757 and 767 freighter conversions.
CodyKDiamond From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 537 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 11182 times:
This is very sad news. I flew 697 just under a year ago on 7/5/07 and then went to see the Dreamliner rollout. I hope she doesn't get scrapped. Which boneyard is she in? Thanks for posting this.
MSYPI7185 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 699 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11072 times:
Quoting Nwarooster (Thread starter):
It was originally built for Iraqi Airways but was not delivered due the Iraqi militants storming the US embassy in Tehran
Do you mean Iran?
Yes, you are correct.
Both are correct as it was the US Embassy in Tehran, Iran that the militants stormed and took the hostages.
My guess is this aircraft gets scrapped, exp with fuel where it is now.
TwinOtter4Ever From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 213 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11032 times:
Quoting CodyKDiamond (Reply 4): This is very sad news. I flew 697 just under a year ago on 7/5/07 and then went to see the Dreamliner rollout. I hope she doesn't get scrapped. Which boneyard is she in? Thanks for posting this.
You may kick your self, but you were within a mile or two of the first 727 when you say the 787 in 07' They are currently restoring it to flyable...
see here.... http://www.rbogash.com/ual727tx.htm it si found over a the museum restoration centre at the other end of PAE field....they have a Comet 4c too...nifty website that one...they should have an ex AC Connie coming to town later this year...
BeechNut From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 708 posts, RR: 9 Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 10100 times:
Ah, the 727. Many hours riding in the back of those. Great aircraft. Geez it seems like not so long ago that, when flying on business, I'd be saying "oh no, not another 727" (in the hopes of getting on board something a bit more exotic... like an L1011). Now, if I walked up to the gate and saw a 727 waiting for me, I'd be as excited as a small kid.
Most memorable 727 flight: a LADECO 727-100 from Santiago to Concepcion in Chile, and back again. Especially the southbound flight, at sunset, sitting on the left side, with the sun shining against the Andes. This was in the early '90s, when even a -100 series was getting rare. The plane looked beautifully maintained, like someone had painstakingly restored a '64 Chevy with enormous pride.
Also flew the 727-233ADV many times from YUL to YVR and back. Those flights were right on the limit of the range, and invariably were at MGTOW and quite exciting, with a very long takeoff roll, and seeming to just stagger into the sky.
I can still hear the sounds of the engines in back, the jackscrews actuating the flaps, etc.
But my favourite remains the DC-9 and you can still cop a ride on those!
MEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4117 posts, RR: 37 Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9922 times:
I was on tour at the LAB premises in Cochabamba, Bolivia last month, and while the airline isn't active now, they are doing overhauls on 727s and they told about a dozen of Champion 727s would head for Bolivia, some to be taken by LAB and some to be sold onwards, so there might be a few years of life left in this particular aircraft.
nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11711 posts, RR: 52 Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5117 times:
Perhaps she can continue flying in South America, SE Asia, or Africa?
WN700Driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5053 times:
Quote: Geez it seems like not so long ago that, when flying on business, I'd be saying "oh no, not another 727" (in the hopes of getting on board something a bit more exotic... like an L1011). Now, if I walked up to the gate and saw a 727 waiting for me, I'd be as excited as a small kid.
I had almost the exact same thought the other day. And then I thought to myself how long it would be before I felt the same way about the 733s & 734s we have. I don't usually work on those, but I sure do fly on them a lot. I always wish I was on something else too, well almost always. . . But that's just right now. 10 more years, when it is only 73NG & A32#s out there (in the mid range market) how cool might it be to see a 733 or Super 80?
Max Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3290 posts, RR: 19 Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4361 times:
Truly a great aircraft,
In my opinion the best Handling Boeing narrow body they ever made,
The 707 was a great and revolutionary aircraft but it was like driving a truck with the power steering off, and with an engine failure the required rudder forces were so high you could just about run out of leg strength !
The 737 is a good aircraft but doesn't compare in the handling department, and it yaws all over the place with a bad ride in turbulence.
The 757 is a nice machine with lots of power and great performance but does not come close to the control authority available in the magnificent 727.
Everything was oversized for the job on the 727, 4 Ailerons, a massive vertical fin and horizontal stab, along with a brilliant high lift, flap / slat system allowing for operation on fairly short fields if necessary.
A beautiful 35 degree swept wing with lots of flexilbility made for a very fast but smooth riding aircraft, it used to just cut through turbulence with minimal fuss, while, if you looked outside that wing would be just flapping away, soaking it all up.
Could be a little unforgiving on landing if you did not pay attention, but the challenge made it even more enjoyable, the first jet I ever flew and what a privilege it was..
The best contribution to safety is a competent Pilot.
FalconBird From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1262 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4296 times:
It's really sad to see the 727-200 models slowing/rapidly fading away. The were obsolutely one of the best aircraft ever made, bar-none. What a work horse!
Legend11 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 107 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3054 times:
What a great machine- one of the best flights I ever had was on a NW B727 from BOS-DTW. Flight was sched as an Airbus A320, which would have been my first airbus ride, and so was somewhat disappointed to find a B727, but what a great ride back to DTW,
Also had to fly from DTW-IND once for a funeral. Had a NWA DC9 DTW-IND (definitely not one of my favorite aircraft) and a NWA B727 back to DTW. The DTW flight was late arriving IND, but did a complete turn in less than 20 minutes, and then an extremely fast taxi from terminal to 05L for departure. We had to do some holding due to a power failiure at DTW, but the Captain announced his ETA into DTW and hit it dead on.
I also had the opportunity to jump seat during my time at BAX Global, and the best rides were always sitting behind the captain in the first jump seat. Great view, not to mention the fun of being able to ride in the cockpit. Best of those rides was in a B727-100QC that BAX owned, and operated by AJT. We had asked that particular crew to run and extra section TOL-MKE-TOL, and the Captain, who was a friend, asked me to ride along. We ferried to MKE empty, and that take off was like riding a rocket ship. Got up to FL 250 in a real hurry, and block to block TOL-MKE was like 23 minutes, which was faster than I could get from my home in TOL to the airport. We had about an 11 minute turn, loading up 7 cans of freight, and then about another 22 minutes MKE-TOL. This particular Captain was real big on fuel economy, and liked to stay high until cleared to approach. He then proceeded to fly the approach into TOL with little power, landed and made the first taxiway to the Bax ramp using brakes only, and no reverse thrust. Very impressive ride,,,,
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21495 posts, RR: 24 Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2719 times:
Quoting TwinOtter4Ever (Reply 6): You may kick yourself, but you were within a mile or two of the first 727 when you saw the 787 in 07' They are currently restoring it to flyable...
The first 737 and 747 off the line also survive at the SEA Museum of Flight. As mentioned,the first 727 (donated by UA) is now being restored at Everett.
EXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2611 times:
Quoting Nwarooster (Thread starter): originally built for Iraqi Airways but was not delivered due the Iraqi militants storming the US embassy in Tehran.
I really hope that wasnt the reason the aircraft wasnt delivered to Iraqi Airways
Quoting BeechNut (Reply 7): Also flew the 727-233ADV many times from YUL to YVR and back.
I think AC 129 was the westbound flght number,sometimes it was a DC-8 then a 767
AC 155 was another cross country 72S. YYT-YHZ-YUL-YYC-YVR with AC 144 being the east bound portion
BeechNut From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 708 posts, RR: 9 Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2473 times:
Yep, AC 129; rode that one many times, though too late for the DC-8 (flew those on CP Air though). Mostly flew it with a 727, maybe once or twice with a 767, and definitely frequently with an A320.
747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3301 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2172 times:
I could afford it, I would turn it in to my own VIP jet. The 727 was built better than these 737 and A320 we have today. I would even say it was built better than an A330 or 767. It sad that Champion went under, now all those great 727 are likely to go to the desert.
Max Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3290 posts, RR: 19 Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1738 times:
It WAS better built, the designers did not have access to computer aided design and known stress tolerances so they just overbuilt it,' like a tank' is an understatement.
Of course, fuel was cheap..
The best contribution to safety is a competent Pilot.
N14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2314 posts, RR: 25 Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1614 times:
Quoting Nwarooster (Thread starter): The plane was delivered to US Airways on April 6, 1983. It then flew for Sterling Airlines before being Delivered to Champion Air on November 12, 1997
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