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User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5413 posts, RR: 7
Posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5567 times:

There's a good update on LH's L-1649A restoration project in Monday's Wall Street Journal. Target flight date is sometime in 2010.

Apparently they are extensively updating the cockpit - you might call it a semi-glass. Pax cabin will be original.

[Edited 2008-06-15 21:39:31]


I love long German words like 'Freundschaftsbezeigungen'.
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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7062 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5507 times:

Would be great if the aircraft will be at the ILA 2010.

Interesting news about the cockpit I guess they plan to use the aircraft not only for sightseeing flights like the Ju but also for longer routes and charter flights.



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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8996 posts, RR: 76
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5483 times:
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Quoting MasseyBrown (Thread starter):

Hi there,

I know a few people who rebuild this L-1649 and they have to do quite a bit to make her fly again. Plan is summer 2009 that she is able to fly.
The cockpit has to be rebuilt as well. but not with the original instruments. There are a lot of requirements by the German LBA (German FAA) that it is allowed to fly in Germany and other countries. So that needs to be done as well.
But she will be a beauty once she is done...

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User currently offlineHypercott From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5470 times:

Here is a link to the article.

Oh man, I would love to fly on that bird...


User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5413 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5447 times:



Quoting Hypercott (Reply 3):
Oh man, I would love to fly on that bird...

It sounds as if you will get your chance. I know where I'll be going for a vacation in 2010.  Smile



I love long German words like 'Freundschaftsbezeigungen'.
User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13999 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5363 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 2):
The cockpit has to be rebuilt as well. but not with the original instruments. There are a lot of requirements by the German LBA (German FAA) that it is allowed to fly in Germany and other countries. So that needs to be done as well.

IMO, this is bullsh*t, similar to the Ju-52. I prefer the way the South Africans restored their fleet of DC-3s and DC-4s, mostly original avionics (even the old vacuum valve ones), but a modern GPS receiver, two modern radios, an ATC transponder and a reporting altimeter hidden away in conspicious places.

Jan


User currently offlineCptRegionalJet From Germany, joined Oct 2007, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5268 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 2):
The cockpit has to be rebuilt as well. but not with the original instruments.

That's a shame,but understandable.
So we are talking about a TCAS,MNPS,RVSM,GPS equiped Connie.
 Big grin  Big grin  Big grin


User currently offlineVC10 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1408 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5251 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 2):
Plan is summer 2009 that she is able to fly.

Not impossible given enough manpower and money, however the 1649 is a completely diffferent aircraft to the 1049. However I understand that the flexible hanger has yet not been built , which would be a must for working on her during the winter.

Crews both ground and air with sufficent experience are going to be hard to find, but again not impossible.

The legislation both European and American [this has changed dramtically over the past few years with regard to these old aircraft] is a huge obstacle, however I wish them all the best and would like to see her fly.

Like MD11 comment I too would think it a shame if they replaced the original instruementation with modern stuff. The required modern stuff could be fitted where it is hardly noticeable so leaving the panles almost original

PS ;- One problem she will face is narrrow taxi ways as her main landing gears are 50 ft apart compared to those on the 1049 of 32 ft. No problem on large airports,but could be a problem on smaller airfields


littlevc10


User currently offlinePhilb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5204 times:



Quoting VC10 (Reply 7):
One problem she will face is narrrow taxi ways as her main landing gears are 50 ft apart compared to those on the 1049 of 32 ft

Not according to Lockheed's own drawings. The distance, centre to centre between bogies is 38 feet 4 and 3/16th inches on the Starliner and 32 feet 2 and 3/4 inches on the 1049.

The major problem will be the turbo compound engines. Never known for reliability even when new, fifty years on with few genuine spares around, they could become a nightmare, even for an organisation as big and as technically geared up as Lufthansa.


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5182 times:

Nice initiative. In the Netherlands there is als a restored Connie. Cost seem prohibitive to upgrade / utilize it as Lufthansa hopes to do. Anyway another "operator" in car range always helps..



User currently offlineVC10 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1408 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5012 times:



Quoting Philb (Reply 8):

Not according to Lockheed's own drawings. The distance, centre to centre between bogies is 38 feet 4 and 3/16th inches on the Starliner and 32 feet 2 and 3/4 inches on the 1049.

I have just looked up my connie book and you are absolutely CORRECT even down to the
3/16 inch. That 50 ft figure has been in my head now for years and I now wonder where the hell I picked it up. blush 

I would agree with you about the engine, especially if they intend to operate the aircraft far from their base.

Quoting Keesje (Reply 9):
In the Netherlands there is als a restored Connie

It is only when you realize the state this aircraft was in when they took on the restoration that you realize what a big task it was and what a good job they made of it especially as their crew was mainly volunteers. The following site has a picture of what it looked like at Avra valley prior to restoration with it's long nose aswell

http://www.conniesurvivors.com/N749NL.htm

littlevc10


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7062 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4980 times:



Quoting CptRegionalJet (Reply 6):
That's a shame,but understandable.
So we are talking about a TCAS,MNPS,RVSM,GPS equiped Connie.



Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 5):
IMO, this is bullsh*t, similar to the Ju-52. I prefer the way the South Africans restored their fleet of DC-3s and DC-4s, mostly original avionics (even the old vacuum valve ones), but a modern GPS receiver, two modern radios, an ATC transponder and a reporting altimeter hidden away in conspicious places.



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 2):
The cockpit has to be rebuilt as well. but not with the original instruments. There are a lot of requirements by the German LBA (German FAA) that it is allowed to fly in Germany and other countries. So that needs to be done as well.
But she will be a beauty once she is done...

I believe we can argue all day about if it would have been better to keep the aircraft in its orginal shape or not. Since only a few people will have the honor to sit in the cockpit (I hope you applied, too, Wilco737  Smile ) it is not on us to decide. If it helps to get the plane in the sky and makes it safer to fly in all kind of weather conditions I absolutely support the new avionics. As I said I don' t believe that aircraft will only be used for short flights as the Ju 52. With the Super Star LH Berlin Stiftung will have lots of more options. I would love to fly HAM-JFK for example.



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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8996 posts, RR: 76
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4942 times:
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Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 2):
Plan is summer 2009 that she is able to fly.

I have to correct myself: 2010 is the year... Hopefully for the summer season 2010.

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 5):

IMO, this is bullsh*t, similar to the Ju-52. I prefer the way the South Africans restored their fleet of DC-3s and DC-4s, mostly original avionics (even the old vacuum valve ones), but a modern GPS receiver, two modern radios, an ATC transponder and a reporting altimeter hidden away in conspicious places.

maybe it is BS, but it's the regulation from the LBA. Same for the JU-52. If you see her cockpit it looks like a cessna... Still different though, but not nearly as in 1936.

Quoting Columba (Reply 11):
(I hope you applied, too, Wilco737 Smile )

I'd love to, but they prefer people who have studied which I didn't. But I'D LOVE to fly her for sure  cloudnine 

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User currently offlineVC10 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1408 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4888 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 12):
I'd love to, but they prefer people who have studied which I didn't. But I'D LOVE to fly her for sure

Go on and apply because as somebody once said to me you never know unless you ask. I think you would love it but you have to remember not to touch the throttles unless you wish to feel the F/E anger  biting 

littlevc10


User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8996 posts, RR: 76
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4872 times:
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Quoting VC10 (Reply 13):
Go on and apply because as somebody once said to me you never know unless you ask. I think you would love it but you have to remember not to touch the throttles unless you wish to feel the F/E anger biting

Oh you bet I will apply for it! I will try it for sure.
And I won't touch the throttles... I don't need the anger of the F/E Big grin

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User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4869 times:



Quoting Philb (Reply 8):
The major problem will be the turbo compound engines. Never known for reliability even when new, fifty years on with few genuine spares around, they could become a nightmare, even for an organisation as big and as technically geared up as Lufthansa.

Agreed, but if anyone can do it I have faith the Lufthansa boys (and girls) can. Nice to see the odd airline actually taking care of history here and there though.. (with appropriate evil glares at BA and AF for not keeping one Concorde each in the air).



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User currently offlineVC10 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1408 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4748 times:

Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 15):
Agreed, but if anyone can do it I have faith the Lufthansa boys (and girls) can.

There are still 3 L1049 Constellations flying with 3350 compound engines. One in Switzerland, one in Australia and some times one in the USA, so operating the 3350 on restored Connies has already been done, but you have to be careful.

littlevc10

[Edited 2008-06-16 10:09:46]

User currently offlineXtoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4716 times:

I think it would be pretty cool to see modern avionics in a classic. Maybe it does take something out of the classic of it, but it's just me, I like seeing new meeting old. Stupid question, though, why did they get rid of the elongated nose?


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User currently offlineNycbjr From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4513 times:

Well it will be very neat to see how they accomplish that. Any one have pics of the Junkers flightdeck changes?

Quoting Xtoler (Reply 17):
I think it would be pretty cool to see modern avionics in a classic



User currently offlineNycbjr From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4377 times:

no those are def new.. a google image search turned up these..

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Junkers_Ju-52_3m_cockpit.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/icholakov/image/70314853

very clean looking.. the germans def knew what they were doing!


User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2530 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3802 times:
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When I lived in south Florida back in the late '80's, I used to go over and watch the work Roundy's crew was doing to get that old windmill up and running. I think that was 1988. Anyway, back in the day we used to think those Starliners (and -7C's) were big airplanes, but nowadays those old birds seem so small.

As I walked around the ramp looking up at it I often thought of the many places it had been. The most outstanding visable feature to me was the new wing, exclusive to the Starliner series.
I am glad to know it will be restored, no matter what it takes. As long as oil can be purchased by the barrel, it won't be too much trouble to keep those 3350's going.
So many hurdles to jump not the least being the insurance. Oh, and the cost of the avgas!

 bigthumbsup 



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User currently offlinePWM2TXLHopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1324 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks ago) and read 3118 times:

I've grown up and live about 20 miles from the Lewiston-Auburn airport where two of these aircraft have sat grounded for the last twenty years. I did some of my PPL training at that airfield and have always admired the two Constellations that have graced the field for many years.... As far back as I can remember. Never thought one would ever take to the skies again!

I was just wondering where this plane will be based in Germany? Will it be in Berlin with the Junkers? I'm moving to Berlin at the end of August for a few years and think it'd be a great coincidence if it happened to be based at THF or SXF, thousands of miles away from where it's sat here in Maine for most of my life, just a short drive up the road! Will it be based in Berlin? Anybody know?

Too bad there were no photos included in the Wall Street Journal Article. Here are a few of the aircraft here in Maine.


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[Edited 2008-06-16 19:11:47]

User currently offlineTwinOtter4Ever From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2932 times:

too bad you cant get the 130 octane avgas for the old 3350 anymore. Would make for a great ride....I'm sure the Martin Mars would love a little higher octane as well.  flamed 

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