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AA Cuts At DFW And ORD?  
User currently offlineAadfw From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 34 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6501 times:

Has anyone heard what routes AA will cut from DFW and ORD?

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User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6476 times:

I may be mistaken:

ORD-EZE/763
ORD-FCO/763
ORD-HNL/763


User currently offlineAadfw From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6453 times:

What about any of the Super 80 routes to be cut out of ORD and/or DFW?

User currently offlineAadfw From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6426 times:

It looks like ORD-HNL has been changed to Saturday only service -- and will not be discontinued completely

User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1076 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6398 times:



Quoting Aadfw (Reply 3):
It looks like ORD-HNL has been changed to Saturday only service -- and will not be discontinued completely

It will be discontinued completely in January 2009. From September until January it will operate only on peak demand days (mostly weekends).



Ryan / HKG
User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6399 times:



Quoting Aadfw (Reply 3):
It looks like ORD-HNL has been changed to Saturday only service -- and will not be discontinued completely

Interesting move ..

I guess this route could be maintained by tour operator contracts and flying once per week wouldnt cause to much of a financial burden to the airline.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6333 times:

Route cuts will likely be kept to a minimum. It frequencies that will be slashed.


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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6295 times:



Quoting Aadfw (Thread starter):
Has anyone heard what routes AA will cut from DFW and ORD?



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
Route cuts will likely be kept to a minimum. It frequencies that will be slashed.

Much to my chagrin, ORD-LHR is going down to 3x/daily (with 4x on Sat/Sun.) during the winter season. This is different from years prior when one was able to fly ORD-LHR 4x/daily.

Unfortunately,I have to thank LAXdude10123 for bring this bad up....

Of note, UA has already gone from 3x/B777 to 2x/B777 and 1x/B763...It will go down to 2x/B763 and 1X/B777 during the winter.

That is quite a drop in capacity from years prior, especially given Chicago-London is the third most traveled city to London after New York and Dubai.

BA isn't changing their winter schedule from last year however and I assume VS will stick will stick with the daily A343.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7814 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6256 times:



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 7):
Unfortunately,I have to thank LAXdude10123 for bring this bad up....

Arent you glad to have a friend like me!  Big grin

After I found out, you were the first on my list of people to call.  Wink

Quoting Aadfw (Reply 2):
What about any of the Super 80 routes to be cut out of ORD and/or DFW?

As Mark stated, I think what we will be dealing with is frequency cuts not route cuts.



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User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1076 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6210 times:



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 7):
Much to my chagrin, ORD-LHR is going down to 3x/daily (with 4x on Sat/Sun.) during the winter season. This is different from years prior when one was able to fly ORD-LHR 4x/daily.

This is completely a slot issue at LHR. AA managed to purchase 26 additional summer slots from Gulf Air and Iberia, but only 20 additional winter slots.

They already had 30 fewer winter slots than summer slots so every year they have to cut 1xLAX-LHR and 1xORD-LHR, as well as 1xweekly BOS-LHR.

This year they expect to be allocated 214 winter slots at Heathrow – one is required for every take-off and every landing. So they can fly a maximum of 15 daily flights and 2 extra weekly flights.

Actually, the last I heard, ORD was getting 3xdaily plus 3 extra weekly flights ThFrSa eastbound and FrSaSu westbound (AA66/67) because one BOS-LHR flight is only 6xweekly.

AA would definitely still have this at 4xdaily if they could – the cuts are certainly not because AA wants to cut it. They fully use every slot they have every single day.



Ryan / HKG
User currently offlineBartond From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 791 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6181 times:

What about the new DFW-LHR flights? Anyone think there will be potential cuts there or will they be 1x 772 and 1x 763?

User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7814 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5844 times:



Quoting Bartond (Reply 10):
Anyone think there will be potential cuts there or will they be 1x 772 and 1x 763?

I dont think so. DFW-LHR does pretty well even in the off peak times. I could see perhaps 1x 777 and 1x 767, but I think it will stay 2x 777.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5836 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 11):
I could see perhaps 1x 777 and 1x 767, but I think it will stay 2x 777.

It currently is 1x 763/772, and while it will be 2x 772 in July, I would not be surprised if it is 1x 763/2x 772 again by fall.

[Edited 2008-06-17 22:33:02]


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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5808 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 8):

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 7):
Unfortunately,I have to thank LAXdude10123 for bring this bad up....

Arent you glad to have a friend like me!  biggrin 

 rotfl ...Yah...well, with friends like you who needs enemies.. biggrin 

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 8):

After I found out, you were the first on my list of people to call.  Wink

You knew I was going to be in pain once I heard of it... Wink

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 9):

They already had 30 fewer winter slots than summer slots so every year they have to cut 1xLAX-LHR and 1xORD-LHR, as well as 1xweekly BOS-LHR.

Now that's quite interesting. Does the additional RDU/DFW flight affect this?

Also, the reduction of one flight out of LAX/ORD during the winter has been around for quite sometime. I don't know too much of the BOS-LHR market during the winter however. Looking at AA's schedule however, while ORD-LHR does have the frequency reduction, BOS-LHR doesn't..



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User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4065 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5770 times:
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Is there any word on when they might start changing the M80s from ORD-to the west coast to 738s? Will this be further down the road or will we see something in the not too far off future?

User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5741 times:



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 13):
Now that's quite interesting. Does the additional RDU/DFW flight affect this?

Also, the reduction of one flight out of LAX/ORD during the winter has been around for quite sometime. I don't know too much of the BOS-LHR market during the winter however. Looking at AA's schedule however, while ORD-LHR does have the frequency reduction, BOS-LHR doesn't..

Year round demand between Boston and London is strong, of course April-October is the strongest period.


User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5713 times:

Did I not read somewhere that AA would be running some routes into LHR again with the 763 on a permanent basis? I of course could be wrong.
UA are now running ORD-LHR with 2x763 and 1x777, with one of the 763 in the new config which gets my vote.


User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1076 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5607 times:



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 13):
Also, the reduction of one flight out of LAX/ORD during the winter has been around for quite sometime. I don't know too much of the BOS-LHR market during the winter however. Looking at AA's schedule however, while ORD-LHR does have the frequency reduction, BOS-LHR doesn't..

It’s already loaded into AA.com so you should be able to see it. The daylight BOS-LHR (AA156) will not run on Saturdays throughout the winter, so will be 6xweekly, which is the same as it has been every winter for the past few years.

Just to emphasise, I did say that they cut one DAILY flight from ORD/LAX but only one WEEKLY flight from BOS. AA will still serve BOS-LHR twice daily this winter, except Saturdays when it will be once daily.



Ryan / HKG
User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1076 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5590 times:



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 13):
Now that's quite interesting. Does the additional RDU/DFW flight affect this?

Yes, the additional RDU/DFW flights do affect AA’s ability to maintain the same schedule as previous winters in their traditional Heathrow markets.

They did not get enough extra winter slots to run two extra daily flights. Therefore, they must make some cuts to existing routes in order to maintain a daily frequency for their RDU and DFW flights. This is why ORD-LHR will be a lower frequency this winter than previous winters.



Ryan / HKG
User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5411 times:



Quoting B752OS (Reply 15):
Year round demand between Boston and London is strong, of course April-October is the strongest period.

I've seen BOS go down to 1x/777 and 1x/763 during the winter. Staying at 2x/777 (at least 6 days/week) is a good sign.

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 18):

Yes, the additional RDU/DFW flights do affect AA’s ability to maintain the same schedule as previous winters in their traditional Heathrow markets.

Ok..got it.. thumbsup 

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 18):
They did not get enough extra winter slots to run two extra daily flights. Therefore, they must make some cuts to existing routes in order to maintain a daily frequency for their RDU and DFW flights. This is why ORD-LHR will be a lower frequency this winter than previous winters.

Ok..got it again.. thumbsup ..thanks.. Smile



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5402 times:



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 19):
I've seen BOS go down to 1x/777 and 1x/763 during the winter. Staying at 2x/777 (at least 6 days/week) is a good sign.

Winter schedule has not been loaded. If MIA-GRU goes 3x 772 again, BOS will go 1x772/1x 763 again, most likely.



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5394 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 20):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 19):
I've seen BOS go down to 1x/777 and 1x/763 during the winter. Staying at 2x/777 (at least 6 days/week) is a good sign.

Winter schedule has not been loaded. If MIA-GRU goes 3x 772 again, BOS will go 1x772/1x 763 again, most likely.

Interesting, I thought it was already loaded. I was a bit surprised to see BOS stay at 2x/777 during the winter, especially given the price of Jet-A and the economy.



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8513 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4829 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
It currently is 1x 763/772, and while it will be 2x 772 in July, I would not be surprised if it is 1x 763/2x 772 again by fall.

Can you see Arpey cutting back DFW to LHR to any 767 flight from 777. The Texas good ole boys would never hear of it, they want to go to LHR on a 777. Texas has had to endure the indignity of Gatwick for all these decades since Braniff went to LGW, a 767 to them would be an insult.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7814 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4778 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 22):
Can you see Arpey cutting back DFW to LHR to any 767 flight from 777. The Texas good ole boys would never hear of it, they want to go to LHR on a 777. Texas has had to endure the indignity of Gatwick for all these decades since Braniff went to LGW, a 767 to them would be an insult.

Plainly put, you are absolutely incorrect and thats a stupid statement. The flights are there becuase its what the market can support, not because Arpey wants to fly on a 777 to London or because Texas is full of "good ol boys." The flights preform very well.



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User currently offlineDFW13L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4294 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 22):
Can you see Arpey cutting back DFW to LHR to any 767 flight from 777. The Texas good ole boys would never hear of it, they want to go to LHR on a 777. Texas has had to endure the indignity of Gatwick for all these decades since Braniff went to LGW, a 767 to them would be an insult.

Did you hear they wanted to put in Saddle Class on the 777s? Fort Worth wanted it, but Dallas outvoted them and put in a mojito bar.


25 MAH4546 : Looks like MIA-LHR is going 10x weekly this winter. The second frequency will operate on Thursdays, Fridays, and Saturdays.
26 DFWEagle : I am guessing they decided to move the 3 extra weekly slots from ORD, which was supposed to be getting 3xdaily, plus an extra frequency on ThFrSa. Do
27 LAXdude1023 : Its probably the following: AA 182 MIALHR 605P 730A+ 777 AA 113 LHRMIA 1125A 420P 777
28 MAH4546 : AA 182 MIA 1630-0555 LHR 772 Th AA 182 MIA 1805-0730 LHR 772 FrSa AA 113 LHR 1125-1620 MIA 772 ThFrSa
29 DFWEagle : Thanks, they are definitely the LHR slots, that were originally planned for extra ORD frequencies. Unless AA manages/managed to buy more slots, I gue
30 LAXdude1023 : No new slots. ORD has been changed from 24x weekly to 3x daily for the winter. I think this is a good move for AA. The news just gets worse for Jacob
31 Jacobin777 : You're getting a phone call soon..
32 FXramper : Seasonal; to return 04/09.
33 Northwestair : I got a question I pulled up the schedule for 3Sep OKC-DFW and it shows just 1 flight at 0840. Is this true did AA get rid of the rest of the MD80 dep
34 Atrude777 : AA is making the changes right now. I looked and saw 1 daily STL-DFW and 2 daily STL-ORD which we know is not right LMAO. Keep checking back. Alex
35 ERJ170 : Holy crap shut up.. I am not sure when it starts but.. RDU-DFW goes from 7x MD80 to 5x MD80, 2x 738 (at least checking Oct 29th)
36 ERJ170 : Sorry to double post.. saw some other changes.. RDU-MCI on AA changes from 2x Eagle to 1x MD80, 1x ERJ RDU-JAX/SDF/CMH drops to 1x daily Eagle RDU-LHR
37 LAXdude1023 : It looks like the downgrade to the 763 is just for one week. It goes back to a 777 after that. The second DFW-LHR flight does the same for that week
38 ERJ170 : Hmm.. looks like AA wants to christen the new terminal international gate with the 763 instead of the 777.. oh well.. that's good news though!!! only
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