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QF 744 Return To LHR, 0020hrs UK Time, 18Jun  
User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8733 times:

A QF 747-400 went past my window, landing on 27R, at 12:20am. (30 mins ago). I found nothing on QF or BAA's websites. Anyone know anything? It's not a late arrival. I suspect QF2 returning due to mechanical/medical?

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User currently offlineLu From China, joined Aug 1999, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8706 times:

Definitely, it is true that you are FBI agent.

User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8686 times:



Quoting Lu (Reply 1):
Definitely, it is true that you are FBI agent.

Huh???!!!


User currently offlineFlyboyOz From Australia, joined Nov 2000, 1985 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8553 times:

He means that you're smart. All the information is correct and you know that already. It's due mechanical and there are not enough aircraft due to the engineering strike.


The Spirit of AustraliAN - Longreach
User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8515 times:



Quoting FlyboyOz (Reply 3):
All the information is correct and you know that already. It's due mechanical and there are not enough aircraft due to the engineering strike.

I had no clue it was correct, but thanks for confirming my suspicion. Any idea what the problem is? The engines were absolutely screaming when it went past my flat. My wife looked out the window and said "that doesn't sound right!"


User currently offlineFlyboyOz From Australia, joined Nov 2000, 1985 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8459 times:

Wow...QF aircraft have lots of mechanical problems lately... That's no good. QF management refuses to pay rise (to 5%) for the engineers and they are not happy with it. Long story...

[Edited 2008-06-17 18:51:10]


The Spirit of AustraliAN - Longreach
User currently offlineSkytroll From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2008, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8345 times:

its concerning that a billion dollar profit airline chooses to ignore and not reward those very people who have ensured the profitability of the carrier. makes you think how long before one of there birds have a very serious incident? I have choosen not fly fly Qantas again as I have heard about the treatment of there cabin staff, engineers and ground staff and honestly believe they are totally out of touch of there market


"Oh the glamour"
User currently offlineSYDAircargo From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8152 times:

I think its not that QF ignores these people its just a flexing of the muscle on both sides. specially the Unions. Since Labour is back in Office we see more and more industrial actions, that was not happening for the last 10 years. Unions think now they are back in business.

User currently offlineFlyingroo From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7958 times:



Quoting SYDAircargo (Reply 7):
Since Labour is back in Office we see more and more industrial actions, that was not happening for the last 10 years. Unions think now they are back in business.

The Australian Labor Party has nothing to do with QF's engineers industrial action.


User currently offlineEnginebird From United States of America, joined May 2007, 341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7794 times:

It's on the QANTAS website:

estimated arrival of QF02 in Bangkok about 14 hours late (20:00hrs)


User currently offlineMal787 From Australia, joined Jul 2007, 687 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7676 times:



Quoting Flyingroo (Reply 8):
The Australian Labor Party has nothing to do with QF's engineers industrial action.

Agreed
But with the ALP being a strong union based party.The unions are on a better footing with them as opposed to the Coalition. Lets hope they continue with the way they are going and not get involved in what is a prime Union Big Buiseness negotiation.

mal787



Flying cant get enough of it
User currently offlineAustrianSimon From Austria, joined May 2008, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7498 times:



Quoting LHR777 (Thread starter):
I suspect QF2 returning due to mechanical/medical?

It's been QF2 indeed, fumes in cabin. More info at:

http://avherald.com/h?article=40867c34

Servus, Simon


User currently offlineToptravel From Italy, joined Oct 2005, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7464 times:

Maybe mr Dixon will get a kick in the butt, considering his salary increase, they are at a 1% difference with the engineers, taking into account that inflation is running at 3.9%, I don't think 5% is out of line at all if you are to get ahead. This is not big time ALP/Union stuff this is small stuff and the amount of money it has cost QF so far outweights the 1%.

As a stockholder of QF I would personal like to kick Dixon and his mates in the butt.


User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7461 times:



Quoting AustrianSimon (Reply 11):
It's been QF2 indeed, fumes in cabin. More info at:

http://avherald.com/h?article=40867c34

If that article is accurate then 76 is a poor load..


User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7395 times:



Quoting Swiftski (Reply 13):
If that article is accurate then 76 is a poor load..

their curfew information is wrong too - it starts at 2330LCL, not 2300Z, which would be midnight local time.

I know this, because I had a crew delay at the weekend, and the new departure time was 2336LCL. Due to curfew, the aircraft had to night-stop and departed at 0700LCL the next day.


User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7393 times:



Quoting LHR777 (Reply 14):
I know this, because I had a crew delay at the weekend, and the new departure time was 2336LCL

Oops. Which flight? They must have been miffed.


User currently offlineAustrianSimon From Austria, joined May 2008, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7310 times:



Quoting LHR777 (Reply 14):
their curfew information is wrong too - it starts at 2330LCL,

You are right, I just rechecked and changed the text.

The load was very low - that's why we queried that number twice with Qantas ...

Servus, Simon
http://avherald.com


User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7274 times:

Flight departed London to Bangkok 925min lates according to flightstats.


Next destinations, Suarabaya, beirut, paris, Accra
User currently offlineSparklehorse12 From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 884 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6411 times:



Quoting SYDAircargo (Reply 7):
Since Labour is back in Office we see more and more industrial actions, that was not happening for the last 10 years. Unions think now they are back in business.

That is an extremely long bow to draw and irresponsible in my personal opinon

Quoting Mal787 (Reply 10):
But with the ALP being a strong union based party.The unions are on a better footing with them as opposed to the Coalition. Lets hope they continue with the way they are going and not get involved in what is a prime Union Big Buiseness negotiation.

Isn' t it nice they can strike if they want, rolling over and taking it from QF management never got them much either except for a wage freeze...meanwhile QF management taking bonuses...go figure



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User currently offlineREALDEAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6307 times:



Quoting Skytroll (Reply 6):
its concerning that a billion dollar profit airline chooses to ignore and not reward those very people who have ensured the profitability of the carrier. makes you think how long before one of there birds have a very serious incident? I have choosen not fly fly Qantas again as I have heard about the treatment of there cabin staff, engineers and ground staff and honestly believe they are totally out of touch of there market

they QF have to cut costs.

Silly engineers were offered 3% & insisted on 5% so some will probably lose their jobs as a result.

Airlines are folding all over the world.

An airline can make a profit 1 minute & go out of business the next in the current market.

We do have a huge recession coming with fares rising & demand falling. Not good for airlines at all.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5692 times:



Quoting Swiftski (Reply 13):
Quoting AustrianSimon (Reply 11):
It's been QF2 indeed, fumes in cabin. More info at:

http://avherald.com/h?article=40867c34

If that article is accurate then 76 is a poor load..

If true then that's really bad, especially considering SQ is having a 95% load factor on its A380's to LHR....



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlinePawsleykat From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1978 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5449 times:

Ooh, bad time for Qantas... let's hope it's nothing too serious

Quote:
with 76 passengers

Any reason as to why it was operating with so few passengers though... that seems an awful small number for a 744 on this route...

JG  Smile



First Class passengers are my favourites. They can't get any further forward without an ATPL.
User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2176 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4776 times:



Quoting REALDEAL (Reply 19):
Airlines are folding all over the world.

Mostly in N America though.

Quoting REALDEAL (Reply 19):
We do have a huge recession coming with fares rising & demand falling. Not good for airlines at all.

That really depends where. Being based in Australia, QF already is in the right hemispehere (the Asia-Pacific one...)

Quoting REALDEAL (Reply 19):
An airline can make a profit 1 minute & go out of business the next in the current market.

Except that QF has been profitable for years, and is in a really good financial situation right now, about to introduce the A380 (and likely to kill UA on the LAX route) and the 787.

An aircraft turns around. Sure, it has to be because the unions and the Labour Party! Are you guys sure it's not because of the kangaroos and the Pope in Rome instead?
Guys, you're crazy......



When I doubt... go running!
User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4621 posts, RR: 23
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4719 times:



Quoting Pawsleykat (Reply 21):
Any reason as to why it was operating with so few passengers though... that seems an awful small number for a 744 on this route...

Good point...



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineTheginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4689 times:

Would the 76 passengers be on the late running flight when it got to the Far East, ie the remaining passengers were dispersed at Heathrow on other carriers with the 76 the ones that were not??

25 Singapore_Air : Wouldn't seem so as it left the gate more or less on time (for a departing Heathrow flight at least).
26 Airbear : Thank you, SYDAircargo !!! It's about time somebody came out and stated the obvious. And sure, the engineers dispute had been on the radar quite a wh
27 QFYMML : Yeah. Me too. For ummm, delivering healthy profits and a reliable dividend on my shares....oh wait.....
28 Post contains links Qantasguy : Y'all may have already seen this, but for those who haven't..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvlPBr3j2qs I love Qantas as much as the next guy, but
29 Toptravel : Sometimes counting the beans to closely will deliver a very bad case of intergestion...
30 Theginge : I wouldn't call Singapore Airlines Engineering unsafe though. But then it is up to QF to keep its contractors to very high standards![Edited 2008-06-1
31 Airbear : Yeah... this is all old, old news - unless of course, you haven't heard/seen it before The famous "stapled wiring" incident aside, to suggest that al
32 QFYMML : More bean-counting, less bean-eating
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