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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3055 times:

I do remember about a month or two ago (maybe three) news was put out that a plan was underway for Delta and the New York/New Jersey Port Authority to invest in terminals 2 & 3. What ever came out of this? I thought it was suppose to be some sort of multi-million/billion dollar project involving possibly scrapping both terminals.

Can anyone shed light on this? Any DL or N.Y. employees have any updates on this?


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User currently offlineCokePopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1184 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2961 times:

I believe they (port authority) are in the planning stage. The PANYNJ are spending around 20 million just on a study and should be concluded at the end of the year.

User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16867 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2960 times:

The Port Authority agreed to do a study about the Terminals, the results of which will be known at the end of the year.


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User currently offlineLGAUAOK From United States of America, joined May 2008, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2895 times:

I was at the Delta International arivals at JFK in December waiting to pick up a friend coming in from AMS. I had to go to the bathroom, but I could not find it..... There was a sign for the bathroom, but no door. I finally asked a security/sky porter who told me I would have to exit the terminal and go into a different area of the termal to use the bathroom. I have never seen anything like it...... The funny thing was as I waited for my friend to clear customs, I watch about 100 people walking around in circles trying to find the bathroom!


The one other thing I was really upset about at the JFK International Arrivals were all these weird tax/limo drivers basically forcing the international flyers into their car services for the trip to Manahattan. Welcome to America now be attacked by taxi drivers. Crazy! And the drivers themselves would get in fights over who was driving who. (Dear pax just a note but when you arrive @ JFK just go outside a catch a yellow cab or take the AirTrain.)


User currently offlineMillwallSean From Singapore, joined Apr 2008, 1245 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2767 times:



Quoting LGAUAOK (Reply 3):
The one other thing I was really upset about at the JFK International Arrivals were all these weird tax/limo drivers basically forcing the international flyers into their car services for the trip to Manahattan. Welcome to America now be attacked by taxi drivers. Crazy! And the drivers themselves would get in fights over who was driving who. (Dear pax just a note but when you arrive @ JFK just go outside a catch a yellow cab or take the AirTrain.)

JFK the new Don Muang...

Seriously JFK is not that bad.



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User currently offlineAAJFKSJUBKLYN From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2738 times:

The non-yellow cab situation outside JFK is SICKENING. Whether AA, DL of B6 or any of the terminals, its a sad state of affairs, and quite honestly driven by GREED. Dont ever get in one...they will bring you to the car, put you and your stuff in it, and tell you they will be right back. They go bring more customers and charge them the same price and fill car to hilt. You could simply take a cab and be on your way. The lines are long at times, but honestly, there are another 1000 cabs waiting in the holding lot just down the road so it moves.

User currently offlineJumbojet From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2628 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 2):
Port Authority agreed to do a study about the Terminals, the results of which will be known at the end of the year

And that is just the 'study' that will be done at the end of the year. By the time they get around to actually implementing a plan, begin construction and finishing it, we could be looking at the year 2013 and maybe later?


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21530 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2612 times:



Quoting AAJFKSJUBKLYN (Reply 5):
The non-yellow cab situation outside JFK is SICKENING.

And illegal. Why the police don't stop them only Bloomberg knows. It wasn't nearly that bad when the previous administration was running NYC. The Gypsy Cab drivers were much, much sneakier. They had to be.



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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4910 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2536 times:
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Quoting LGAUAOK (Reply 3):
I was at the Delta International arivals at JFK in December waiting to pick up a friend coming in from AMS. I had to go to the bathroom, but I could not find it..... There was a sign for the bathroom, but no door. I finally asked a security/sky porter who told me I would have to exit the terminal and go into a different area of the termal to use the bathroom. I have never seen anything like it...... The funny thing was as I waited for my friend to clear customs, I watch about 100 people walking around in circles trying to find the bathroom!

The reason for that is that there was some construction/refurbishing going on in that area, hence the detour for the bathroom.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2294 times:

So we most likely won't see anything start until say 2010 at the earliest...

I must say though, the ATL project came out quite well.



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User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16867 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2237 times:



Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 9):
So we most likely won't see anything start until say 2010 at the earliest

That might be optimistic, many large and very important construction projects that are or should be under way right now in the NYC are falling apart because of weak a financial community, soaring construction costs amongst other items.



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User currently offlineA380US From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2128 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):

And illegal. Why the police don't stop them only Bloomberg knows. It wasn't nearly that bad when the previous administration was running NYC. The Gypsy Cab drivers were much, much sneakier. They had to be.

All the police do is chase them away and then when the police leave they come back. They dont even give them a ticket.



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User currently offlineAAJFKSJUBKLYN From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2068 times:



Quoting A380US (Reply 11):
All the police do is chase them away and then when the police leave they come back. They dont even give them a ticket.

Very illegal, PA cops are not exactly 'go getters' unless they are driving in their cars and on the horn telling you the terminal is a no-standing zone. About all they are good for.

Now, back to DL terminal's at JFK, I worked on a proposal back 1998 when they first attempted to do this, and as well take over some of the gates in the IAB. Based on the logistics involved, DL would loose a substantial amount of gates to go forward with the plan they originally had and would have had to hard stand tons of planes, and take some gates from IAB.

Anyone have insite to who is designing this..


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21530 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2017 times:



Quoting A380US (Reply 11):
All the police do is chase them away and then when the police leave they come back. They dont even give them a ticket.

All I know is that the problem, from a passenger POV, is getting worse, so they must be doing something differently in enforcement.



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User currently offlineA380US From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2009 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 13):

All I know is that the problem, from a passenger POV, is getting worse, so they must be doing something differently in enforcement.

I mean people should be careful and also in all terminals at baggage claim areas there are lots of signs and also announcments about it



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User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2724 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1977 times:

And to think that at its height it was the most modern, sophisticated, and biggest airport terminal ever seen:

http://www.everythingpanam.com/Web_PA_Years.html


 Smile LatinPlane


User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16867 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1935 times:



Quoting AAJFKSJUBKLYN (Reply 12):
Now, back to DL terminals at JFK, I worked on a proposal back 1998 when they first attempted to do this, and as well take over some of the gates in the IAB. Based on the logistics involved, DL would loose a substantial amount of gates to go forward with the plan they originally had and would have had to hard stand tons of planes, and take some gates from IAB.

Anyone have insite to who is designing this..

I have a PowerPoint from the Port Authority's Capital Projects Aviation department, it's from November and provided an overview and some basic renderings of what they are planning for the following projects:

EWR:

Terminal B renovation (underway)

Terminal A renovation and expansion ($1.2 Billion Project, new concourse 20 additional gates)

New hotel development at P1 Airtrain Station, with two parking garages (one automated) and a shopping mall.

LGA:

New Central terminal building and concourses ($1.1 Billion), built on land between CTB and US Airways Terminal. Connected to the US Airways terminal.

JFK:

T2/T3 redevelopment, it's complicated plan and a long walk from one end to the other.

Basically the plan calls for the following;

T-2 gone, replace by a new concourse off of T-1. T-1 connected to T-3 which keeps the Oval, and renovates the outer parts of T-3 that were added to the original oval terminal. The gates that are currently attached to the Oval section would no longer be used, from the Oval to T-4 would be a new Ticketing/baggage hall with roadways etc.. Finally T-4's West Concourse expanded with DL taking over the entire West Concourse, the airlines currently housed in the West concourse of T-4 would move to an expanded East concourse of T-4.

It would give DL three concourses in three different terminals (T1, T3, T4), from my estimates looking at the rendering it' looks like this;

New T1 concourse (8 gates?), T-3 (12 gates), T-4 (20 gates?)

Total gates (my estimate looking at renderings).



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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5274 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1905 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 16):
have a PowerPoint from the Port Authority's Capital Projects Aviation department, it's from November and provided an overview and some basic renderings of what they are planning for the following projects:

Where can I find a link on the Port Authority website? I'd love to see the renderings.

[Edited 2008-06-20 12:59:30]


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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4750 posts, RR: 44
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1897 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 16):
I have a PowerPoint from the Port Authority's Capital Projects Aviation department, it's from November and provided an overview and some basic renderings of what they are planning for the following projects:

Why not share if you keep mentioning it for those who do not have access?

I think this is the third time "powerpoint" has come up.



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User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16867 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1889 times:



Quoting OA412 (Reply 17):
Where can I find a link on the Port Authority website?

It's not on the website , it was from a presentation (in Europe of all places).

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 18):
Why not share if you keep mentioning it for those who do not have access?

I think this is the third time "powerpoint" has come up.

Sorry, I'm waiting on the right time.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21530 posts, RR: 59
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1873 times:



Quoting A380US (Reply 14):
I mean people should be careful and also in all terminals at baggage claim areas there are lots of signs and also announcments about it

Totally. But I grew up in the area and used all three airports and I never remember it being like it is now. And Gypsy cabs have always been around, so something is going on.



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User currently offlineJetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 3297 posts, RR: 35
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1846 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 16):

JFK:

T2/T3 redevelopment, it's complicated plan and a long walk from one end to the other.

Basically the plan calls for the following;

T-2 gone, replace by a new concourse off of T-1. T-1 connected to T-3 which keeps the Oval, and renovates the outer parts of T-3 that were added to the original oval terminal. The gates that are currently attached to the Oval section would no longer be used, from the Oval to T-4 would be a new Ticketing/baggage hall with roadways etc.. Finally T-4's West Concourse expanded with DL taking over the entire West Concourse, the airlines currently housed in the West concourse of T-4 would move to an expanded East concourse of T-4.

It would give DL three concourses in three different terminals (T1, T3, T4), from my estimates looking at the rendering it' looks like this;

New T1 concourse (8 gates?), T-3 (12 gates), T-4 (20 gates?)

Total gates (my estimate looking at renderings).

I'm actually not sure if this is still the current plan. I've heard something different.

The fact is, however, that $20 million is going to determine the real end plan.


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4750 posts, RR: 44
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1814 times:



Quoting Jetlanta (Reply 21):
I'm actually not sure if this is still the current plan. I've heard something different.

Exactly Jetlanta - which is why I've been interested in seeing the plan STT757 is talking about.



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User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16867 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1721 times:



Quoting Jetlanta (Reply 21):
I'm actually not sure if this is still the current plan. I've heard something different.

The fact is, however, that $20 million is going to determine the real end plan.

The Port Authority Aviation Department are the folks who are doing the $20 Million Dollar planning study (paying for it), that's who put together the presented the PowerPoint presentation. They are doing a study to figure out how the plan "roughly" outlined in the presentation would cost, a feasibility study.

btw..

I'm going to post it in a couple minutes in a new thread about EWR, JFK and LGA, apparently some of it is available online.



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User currently offlineDiscoverCSG From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 832 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1719 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 16):
It would give DL three concourses in three different terminals (T1, T3, T4), from my estimates looking at the rendering it' looks like this;

Are you saying that after spending all that time and money, DL would be in 3 different terminals?


25 STT757 : Three concourse, three terminals. All connected airside though.
26 Jrlander : It also appears that they would have one lobby - sort of between the T3 Oval and T4. Another benefit would be that Delta would also be able to easily
27 Ikramerica : Not that different than being in 6 concourses in ATL, is it?
28 DeltaL1011man : I'm sorry they are in only one terminal in Atlanta. Not the 3 that this plan calls for. I Love how AA and B6 get the own terminals but Delta gets stu
29 Commavia : Delta made a tactical decision after 9/11 to continue with the Boston project and put JFK on hold, while AA made the opposite choice - they put the b
30 DeltaL1011man : I have been saying for years that Leo was a dummy. Plus the fact that the 2000 plan sucked (alot like this one) I kind-of happy DL went on with BOS b
31 Mir : Only one check-in area, so it comes to the same thing. You check in at one place and then could board your flight from any one of three concourses. N
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