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Zoom Flirting With Insolvency?  
User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4901 posts, RR: 15
Posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3959 times:

**DISCLAIMER**
I'm not attempting to start any rumors I'm just posting to try and find out what's going on.

A couple of my friends booked with Zoom to fly YYZ-LGW return in September. Then a third friend decided to join them on the trip and called up a travel agency to do so. The agent suggested against flying with Zoom because he "wasn't sure if they'll even be flying then"

This obviously sent my other two friends into a bit of a panic, acute panic in this case because one of them was left hanging by JetsGo back in the day. So they called around to a few places and got similar warnings including from flight centre.

As far as I know they are well capitalized by RBS so I'm not sure where this is all coming from.

My 2c says agents are avoiding Zoom because of poor/no commisions but that's just my inner cycnic. Does anyone have any info on this?

YOWza


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User currently offlineYWG747 From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 251 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3927 times:

I read this in my local paper (winnipeg free press) a week or two ago

Quote:
The international insurance firm that placed Zoom Airlines on its list of airlines it wouldn't cover in the event of a failure says this is normal business.

In an e-mail to the Free Press on Thursday, British-based International Passenger Protection said a financial review of Zoom Airlines is taking place because the air carrier's exposure to insurers has increased.

"This is quite normal and is often due to an airline's success in increasing sales," the e-mail said.

"Zoom has been extremely co-operative during this standard."

On Wednesday, local travel agent Max Johnson, president and CEO of the Great Canadian Travel Company, said he was so concerned about the designation he would not be booking his customers on Zoom because of IPP's designation of the airline.

Johnson said at the time the designation "is usually not a good thing... as a tour operator, you see that and you stop booking for them."

But David Clements, vice-president, sales and marketing, for Zoom called the designation a misunderstanding created when two groups of British tour travellers booked flights and asked for insurance in the same week.

Clements said normally IPP would get one or two insurance requests a year from Zoom travellers.


User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3913 times:

Considering the state of the industry and personal experience;where there is smoke,there is fire!

User currently offlineYXXMIKE From Canada, joined Apr 2008, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3675 times:

Rather interesting statement to make but yes if there is smoke there is likely a fire! My mum flies YVR-BFS a few times a year and she has always mentioned how that flight is always full even during the shoulder season.

I would hope that they decide to cut capacity rather than go bankrupt all together. All airlines should be looking at chopping unprofitable routes currently as it will likely be the only way to survive.


User currently offlineZuluTime From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3642 times:

There was a whole thread about this two weeks ago (http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/4013796) but they're still here two weeks later.

[Edited 2008-06-18 15:41:31]

User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4998 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3179 times:

FYI.

Zoom has nothing loaded for next summer. This may be insignificant.


User currently offlineGoldcrest From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3050 times:

FLYYUL,

EasyJet have yet to release this coming Winters Schedule....Zooms Summer 2009 will be released later in the year.


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3050 times:

Zoom Canada are to offer Winnipeg-LGW by inserting a YWG stop into a LGW-YYC flight

Zoom UK are routing all FLL flights via BDA and cutting JFK from 5 to 3 times a week

Info from airline flight news blog



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4696 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3031 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 7):
cutting JFK from 5 to 3 times a week

Is this for the winter or for summer 2009?

Also on the general front, how is UK tourism to the US doing? Yea the economy is slow everywhere, but is the weak dollar keeping US bound tourism strong?

[Edited 2008-06-19 08:49:22]


Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2988 times:



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 8):
Quoting Humberside (Reply 7):
cutting JFK from 5 to 3 times a week

Is this for the winter or for summer 2009?

This summer it would appear

http://airlineroute.blogspot.com/200.../zoom-reduce-ny-london-flight.html



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4696 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2968 times:

Probably tough for them to compete in the London-JFK market with the influx of capacity. Hopefully they can get a foothold on the LCC Transatlantic market.


Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlineFly2YYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1046 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2858 times:



Quoting Humberside (Reply 7):
Zoom Canada are to offer Winnipeg-LGW by inserting a YWG stop into a LGW-YYC flight

Its my understand that this route will be operated by Zoom UK due to there not being a crew base in YYC.


User currently offlineGoldcrest From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2779 times:

Zoom UK operate the YYC - it is also now direct, no stop at YWG

User currently offlineVisityyj From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2647 times:



Quoting YOWza (Thread starter):
The agent suggested against flying with Zoom because he "wasn't sure if they'll even be flying then"

Yeah right, a travel agent knows what's going to happen. Most of them can barely look up a flight correctly.  butthead 


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5477 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2609 times:

And unless I've missed something really big, Zoom UK begins San Diego service tomorrow!

Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 5):
Zoom has nothing loaded for next summer. This may be insignificant.

 checkmark  Agreeing with Goldcrest, this is completely insignificant. In fact, can you tell us exactly which carriers HAVE loaded anything realistic for summer 2009 yet (other than perhaps some default/place-holder schedules)? FYI, current ZX schedules are effective thru April 9, 2009.

bb


User currently offlineFly2YYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1046 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2596 times:



Quoting Visityyj (Reply 13):
Yeah right, a travel agent knows what's going to happen. Most of them can barely look up a flight correctly. butthead

Agreed, I have a lot of friends working as travel agents and many of them talk to me about airlines offering commission for placing a passengers ass in a seat on a specific airline. Zoom doesn't offer hefty commission as Transat does I believe...so the agent would say this. Actually I would look into what airline your friends ended up booking on... just to see. And maybe there will be a correlation there.

By the way if you will be flying out of YOW with your friends you will probably have a Zoom UK crew as opposed to Canadian crews.


User currently offlineGoldcrest From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2575 times:

Loads on the SAN are very healthy, first flight tomorrow, going out with about 150, but after, many flights going out full.

Zoom UK, and UK crews operate the Halifax / Ottawa, some Vancouvers and both Calgarys to London Gatwick


User currently offlineFly2YYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1046 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2565 times:



Quoting Goldcrest (Reply 16):
Zoom UK, and UK crews operate the Halifax / Ottawa, some Vancouvers and both Calgarys to London Gatwick

Exactly! Surprised you know that..

I'm quite happy and excited for the SAN flights, the same can be said about FCO. Healthy loads for a new route. Look forward to future and careful growth with Zoom. They offer a great product at a great price.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5477 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2546 times:



Quoting Goldcrest (Reply 16):
Loads on the SAN are very healthy, first flight tomorrow, going out with about 150, but after, many flights going out full.

That's the way I hear it as well.

(My disappointment is the complete lack of any press in San Diego about this big event. I'm stunned that SDIA has announced absolutely nothing publicly regarding tomorrow; who knows if anything at all is planned, including even a water cannon salute... Sometimes all I can do is shake my head.)

Anyway, despite the official publicity snub, I want to welcome Big Blue to San Diego and wish Zoom a very long and successful run at Lindbergh Field!

bb


User currently offlineEghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2376 times:



Quoting Visityyj (Reply 13):
Yeah right, a travel agent knows what's going to happen. Most of them can barely look up a flight correctly.

Good grief, Charlie Brown!!!

Can you still book an airline seat with a travel agent? What do they do? Go to the airline's website, take your credit card and book a seat that you could book for yourself if you tried? How do they get their commissions when nobody uses a paper ticket stamped with the agent's IATA number? Are we back on the 20th century or something?

I haven't booked a ticket with a travel agent in 10 years. Didn't know you even could any more.


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2340 times:



Quoting Goldcrest (Reply 12):
Zoom UK operate the YYC - it is also now direct, no stop at YWG

YWG stop with effect from 27th September
http://airlineroute.blogspot.com/200...zoom-to-start-winnipeg-london.html



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User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2136 times:



Quoting Visityyj (Reply 13):
Yeah right, a travel agent knows what's going to happen. Most of them can barely look up a flight correctly

And no doubt of course, you feel you could do everything a travel agent can......providing of course you know the entire behind-the-scenes background.

Quoting Fly2YYZ (Reply 15):
Agreed, I have a lot of friends working as travel agents and many of them talk to me about airlines offering commission for placing a passengers ass in a seat on a specific airline. Zoom doesn't offer hefty commission as Transat does I believe...so the agent would say this. Actually I would look into what airline your friends ended up booking on... just to see. And maybe there will be a correlation there.

I would respectively say you're both talking absolute nonsense and, in particular, to Fly2YYZ please clarify if you are referring to scheduled airlines or charter airlines when you attempt to speak of such things regarding commission levels.

Quoting Eghansen (Reply 19):
Good grief, Charlie Brown!!!

Can you still book an airline seat with a travel agent? What do they do? Go to the airline's website, take your credit card and book a seat that you could book for yourself if you tried? How do they get their commissions when nobody uses a paper ticket stamped with the agent's IATA number? Are we back on the 20th century or something?

I haven't booked a ticket with a travel agent in 10 years. Didn't know you even could any more.

You are seriously freaking joking, right......or are you really attempting to be funny (I was actually going to use another word there but thought better of it!)???
For your information, paper tickets only became non-usable on 1st June 2008......precisely 20 days ago!.....and contrary to your 'knowledgable opinion' very many itineraries were paper ticketed until that date!!
Sorry, but you really don't have a clue, do you? Tell you what, you go and try to book a complicated routing/itinerary entirely on an airline's website from the comfort of your armchair and come back and tell me if you can do it, much less even ticket it at an affordable price.
Hint: not all itineraries are simple little A to B routings, and for which airline websites are designed for the likes of yourself.


User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4901 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1864 times:



Quoting Visityyj (Reply 13):
Yeah right, a travel agent knows what's going to happen. Most of them can barely look up a flight correctly.

I fully agree with you, most TAs have their heads firmly up their asses, including our office TA who insists on sending me ridiculous itineraries. So much so that I now send her what I want explicitly. All I was getting at is that the TAs spoken to may have received input from somewhere.

YOWza



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User currently offlineVisityyj From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1772 times:



Quoting AirNZ (Reply 21):
I would respectively(sic) say you're both talking absolute nonsense

Hmm, wonder what business he's in ?

Click profile.

Ah.

Still no reason to claim to know which airlines will or will not be "around" months from now.


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