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B6 Passenger Punches FA, Diverts To DIA  
User currently offlineXtoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 953 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11126 times:

Last night, a drunken pax on a B6 flight from JFK punches because the F/A didn't let her smoke on the flight. I'm surprised no one posted this yet. Apparently she was drunk, yelled racial slurs at the F/A's. After she was restrained broke out of the flex cuffs they put on her and hit one of the F/A's.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_9626355

Hopefully, I got the address right. One report says she admits to drinking, but doesn't remember the incident. I'd say she's in pretty hot water.


EMB145 F/A, F/E, J41 F/A, F/E, because my wife clipped my wings, armchair captain
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User currently offlineSkyGirl From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 451 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11099 times:

I heard about this on the news last night. I was at the airport sitting standby, oddly enough.

For some reason though, the more I hear about cases like this, the less surprised I am. I had a guy threaten me on a flight back at Christmas because I wouldn't give him a free upgrade. He had his fist inches from my face, and ask me where my sense of holiday compassion was. Another friend of mine had his tooth broken when a woman slapped her purse across his face. All he said to her was that she was going to have to check her bag, since it wasn't fitting into the overhead compartment.

People smoking, and drinking, and punching flight attendants - sadly becoming just another day at work.



...Now they face an even greater danger...Tyrannousaurs in F-14's!!
User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4263 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11093 times:



Quoting Xtoler (Thread starter):
I'd say she's in pretty hot water.

I doubt you'll see any arguments on here.
I think JetBlue should have thrown her in the lav sans cigarettes....



None shall pass!!!!
User currently offlineXtoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10931 times:



Quoting Richierich (Reply 2):
think JetBlue should have thrown her in the lav sans cigarettes....

If she can break through her restraints, I don't think the lav would hold her. Or she may not fit.

Quoting SkyGirl (Reply 1):
had a guy threaten me on a flight back at Christmas because I wouldn't give him a free upgrade. He had his fist inches from my face, and ask me where my sense of holiday compassion was. Another friend of mine had his tooth broken when a woman slapped her purse across his face. All he said to her was that she was going to have to check her bag, since it wasn't fitting into the overhead compartment.

Had plenty of pax yell at me, but luckily no fights. Flying in the puddle jumpers, normally didn't have too much problems convincing pax some of their carry ons won't fit in the cabin. I'm waiting for the day an F/A and C/S agent get into it at the gate while boarding. I'm just mentioning that because I know a lot of my old colleagues would get into it with the gate agents for various reasons. I got along with pretty much all of them, but then again, I was on the ground pounder side in the AF and I used to get into it with the loadmasters. By the time I became a F/A I knew better. But one of these day's I'm waiting for that to break into the news.



EMB145 F/A, F/E, J41 F/A, F/E, because my wife clipped my wings, armchair captain
User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10558 times:

When I was with AS, I had a pax who threated a FA while on the ground prior to pushback. The guy didn't want to gate check his bag because he feared that he would lose his bag. I told the guy that he wont lose his bag. He was still mad and threw his bag directly at the FA. I took the bag and tagged it and personally put it below in the forward cargo pit.

After I had put the bag down in the forward cargo pit, I came back upstairs to hand the guy his baggage claim check and personally told him in his ear that if I hear he threatens the FA again on the flight, I will personally make sure he never flies on us again and he will be arrested in SFO. The dude shut up pretty quick to my amazement.

I have a personal thing for if anyone threatens my friends or co-workers (especially at an airline!), I get involved and make a case of it. It does not matter what the situation is, if a threat happens, thats the bottom line. I don't tolerate threats.

And oh, this is when I was in a full A&P uniform, the ugly white coveralls we once had and th huge rechargeable maglight flashlight I had visible......  rotfl  It was pretty funny because after pushback, the gate agent and I were just laughing about the situation. I later found out from the same gate agent that the guy never moved until they arrived in SFO, this coming from that same FA that the gate agent worked the flight for.



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User currently offlineFolov From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 170 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10467 times:

I am tired of people abusing the people of our industry for a yes or a no... They think they bought a ticket and we become their slaves, yes they pay our salary. but that no reason, when i go anywhere, the car shop or anything and tell me i need to pay to change or get a service, i just pay.
I have on many occasion, came face to face with pax abusing me or my staff, and i always stand up for them, on a few occasion refused them on the flight. They then come back crying and beg to get on the flight.... To late maybe tomorrow. This happening in front of other passengers, that usually comes to me and say thank you, get me water or take me out for some air lol.
Treat others like you want to be treated.


User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10387 times:

The Smoking Gun has her mugshot, from a prior arrest:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0619081smoke1.html

I'd have to say, she's reasonably hot  Smile



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User currently offlineRampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3139 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10268 times:



Quoting PROSA (Reply 7):

I'd have to say, she's reasonably hot

You people need to get out more.


User currently offlineBigOrange From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2365 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10150 times:



Quoting PROSA (Reply 7):
I'd have to say, she's reasonably hot

I'd have to say you're either a virgin teenager or an OAP  duck 


User currently offlineSouthLoopSWA From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 41 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10097 times:

In the 12 years I've been flying I've never had anyone get physical with me. I have heard plenty of stories though. 99% of the time alcohol is involved. It's a shame really.

User currently offlineRdwelch From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10051 times:

Did I hear the need for "Terry Tate, F/A Linebacker"?

Gus


User currently offlineCubastar From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 409 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10016 times:



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 4):
I have a personal thing for if anyone threatens my friends or co-workers (especially at an airline!), I get involved and make a case of it. It does not matter what the situation is, if a threat happens, thats the bottom line. I don't tolerate threats.

I could not agree with you more. There is absolutely no excuse for this type of behavior, physically or verbally, from anyone traveling on a commercial aircraft in this day and time. I flew for many years and I always told all of our crew members, (flight attendants, agents and mechanics alike), that as employees we had the obligation to fulfill our duties responsibly and graciously as possible but they were never to be physically or verbally abused (or touched) at any time on the flight. If that happened, then the passenger was "off the plane" as soon as possible.

Quoting PROSA (Reply 7):
I'd have to say, she's reasonably hot

I assume that you were "going for levity" but in this instance I believe that you failed in that endeavor.


User currently offlineBooDog From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9977 times:



Quoting Rdwelch (Reply 12):
Did I hear the need for "Terry Tate, F/A Linebacker"?

Man I miss those commercials.....



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User currently offlineRdwelch From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9944 times:



Quoting BooDog (Reply 14):
Man I miss those commercials.....

"I said 'tray tables and seat backs up' in this humpty-bumpty!!!!!!!!"

Gus


User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9879 times:
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Quoting SouthLoopSWA (Reply 10):
99% of the time alcohol is involved.

Which makes me wonder at what point the cost of dealing with disturbances like these will outweigh the profit made from alcohol sales.

If the 99% figure is even remotely accurate (and I don't doubt it is), then I am of the opinion that alcohol....a behavior-altering substance that regularly places passengers at higher levels of risk....has no place on airplanes.

2H4



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User currently offlineXtoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9805 times:



Quoting PROSA (Reply 7):
I'd have to say, she's reasonably hot

Hold up, dude, let me get the beer goggles on. Nope, not hot yet, but after a few more beers who knows what could happen. Hold on, got to show the picture to my wife real quick. Okay, wife said, if she didn't look strung up, a little make up, and sobered up, maybe passable. I have to concur. Take the residue from crack the pipe off her cheeks and... who knows. Then again, some people just aren't photogenic.

Quoting Folov (Reply 6):
and i always stand up for them

Most people do stand up for one another in the industry. The only time I've seen a captain or manager not stand up to the person being treated badly, are the one's who just don't care or don't want to offend, especially when I was MAC and DV's were involved. But you know, the funny thing about doing duty in an USAF aerial port, the DV's and their family members are usually pretty good folks. I just had problems with mid grade officers and some higher grade NCO's, mainly from another branch. I'll let you guess, but besides the USAF, two others don't count and those two that are a joy to deal with, work together and deal with ships and amphibious operations. The thing is they don't really pay anything to pay to fly SpaceA, but bitch about flying on either a contracted commercial aircraft, or a dirty ol' cargo aircraft, and if really in a pinch (I used to get away with it), a helicopter.

I could at least somewhat empathize with paying pax and work with them. If you can deal with military families (I'm still in one, just no longer active duty), you can deal with any pax.



EMB145 F/A, F/E, J41 F/A, F/E, because my wife clipped my wings, armchair captain
User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4263 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9793 times:



Quoting PROSA (Reply 7):
I'd have to say, she's reasonably hot

Huh? I hope you are kidding.
Based on nothing more than this picture, this boozed-up sleaze bag looks like a train wreck.



None shall pass!!!!
User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9698 times:

And of course she blames the flight attendants for serving her alcohol.

What a piece of trash.


User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4329 posts, RR: 28
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9700 times:



Quoting Richierich (Reply 17):
this boozed-up sleaze bag looks like a train wreck.

 rotfl  rotfl  rotfl 

That's too funny. Made my day. Thanks!



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User currently offlineSeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5467 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9654 times:



Quoting Xtoler (Reply 16):
Hold up, dude, let me get the beer goggles on. Nope, not hot yet, but after a few more beers who knows what could happen.

Wow. Good stuff. I want some of those beers you're drinking...  Silly


User currently offlineXtoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9551 times:



Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 19):
Wow. Good stuff. I want some of those beers you're drinking...

Dude, be "on the road" for about 4 days, or when I was commuting not being home for a few weeks, anything starts looking good, if all you have to do is by the chick one beer. I was just thinking in my younger days, in high school, I dated better looking chicks than that one, and my present wife looks better than her. But once I was 18 and left home for the USAF, Dad told me to go ugly early, that way, anything after that just gets better. He also said a few other things too, but, probably not appropriate for this family oriented web site.



EMB145 F/A, F/E, J41 F/A, F/E, because my wife clipped my wings, armchair captain
User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7703 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9525 times:
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I sincerely hope they throw the book at her! I can't stand people who do things like this, we should not have to tolerate this crap.

Quoting PROSA (Reply 6):
I'd have to say, she's reasonably hot

I have to disagree here. She looks like a total dog.



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User currently offlineAFGMEL From Australia, joined Jul 2007, 744 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9499 times:



Quoting 2H4 (Reply 14):
.a behavior-altering substance that regularly places passengers at higher levels of risk....has no place on airplanes.

I strongly disagree. Why should the rest of us not enjoy a glass of wine with dinner because of the behaviour of a few idiots?



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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9419 times:
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Quoting AFGMEL (Reply 22):
I strongly disagree. Why should the rest of us not enjoy a glass of wine with dinner because of the behaviour of a few idiots?

It wouldn't be the first time the behavior of a few idiots justifies the elimination of privileges for the rest of us.

The risk of second-hand smoke is enough to justify smoking bans in public places, so you can't enjoy a fine cigar at restaurants.

Bicycles are banned from many parks in certain urban areas, due primarily to idiots abusing the privilege. While I ride safe and conscientiously, I also accept that the enjoyment I'd gain from riding in those areas probably isn't worth the injuries and trouble that occurs when the idiots do their thing.

Bottom line - you don't NEED to enjoy a glass of wine during your flight, just as you don't NEED to smoke a cigar during your flight. Both of those privileges bring very well-documented trends of abuse and risk, and I am of the opinion that the risk (especially with regard to alcohol) has finally exceeded the benefit that it offers.

2H4



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User currently offlineAFGMEL From Australia, joined Jul 2007, 744 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9260 times:

Yes, but banning is never a universal panacea. In the US banning alcohol led to the rise of the Mafia and associated gang violence - not to mention underground clubs and binge drinking.

Banning alcohol on flight will lead to other problems. Surreptitious binge drinking in the lavs, rage due to alcohol withdrawal for those that suffer etc etc. It may actually be worse. I was reading what the FA actually said and while he should never have had to put up with what he encountered, he did also say that it was the first time in six years of flying that he had such a terrible passenger. Given the number of pax in that time, that's not bad at all.



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25 DocLightning : To make her look hot, you need stuff that'll make you fail your next company drug test.
26 Xtoler : Hate to tell you, Milwaukee's "Beast" at the moment. I just checked the picture out again, and it still ain't doin' it. Maybe if she had a phone line
27 Jerion : Not cute! She's a reasonably HOT MESS.
28 NASBWI : Perhaps statistically, and perhaps what he meant was that in six years, he has never been physically assaulted, or so verbally abused by a passenger.
29 Mirrodie : Sure hope charges were filed. And that applies to most aspects of life. Worked in a similar industry years ago, in Penn Station. Being behind bulletp
30 Xtoler : How come it seemed all those flights on leave from LHR or FRA to IAD and back I only saw one incident where a few of us pax had to restrain a guy. Tha
31 Post contains links F9Widebody : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/J...3/history/20080617/1430Z/KJFK/KDEN
32 2H4 : No, and I'm not sure banning alcohol in airplanes should be A) considered universal, or B) compared with a nationwide ban on the substance. Do you re
33 Xtoler : Teatotalers, and so called "religious right" are a lot more obnoxious than drunks, especially if they think they have a lot of money. If I could find
34 Indio66 : She needs: 30 days in Jail + $10,000 fine + banned from Jet Blue for life. Penalties (which the press tends to publicize) should be somewhat of a dete
35 2H4 : Surely not to the point of presenting a true danger to others or diverting flights, though... 2H4
36 AFGMEL : Not sure I would have to say. I am only guessing that it would reduce alcohol induced air rage, but possibly that would be offset by pax being grumpy
37 Xtoler : Ever live "down South"? I'm originally from Alabama, and you can be sure there are people who will get overly adamant on stopping things they don't l
38 SFOnative : "You know you can't smoke on this aircraft. That ain't nothin' new baby!"
39 N202PA : Classic. Now thats a deterrent!
40 Post contains links 2H4 : Ironic....this was posted about an hour ago on CNN: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
41 Post contains links AFGMEL : To put this in context though. According to RITA, 661 million passengers flew in the US in 2007. How many drunken air rage incidents were there? Even
42 Seafleet : I'd have to say, she's reasonably hot To quote PROSA Man give us a break she as the Brits say at least a tripple bagger unless your as drunk as she se
43 UAL727NE : HAHA that would of been my plane..Always had to suck the O2 after a night of drinking. But then again, Crew Chiefs were known for drinking.
44 DTWAGENT : First thing is. Is the F/A ok from being hit in the jaw. I hope nothing is broken I hope.... And second. Do you folks get combat pay. Because after re
45 Rdwelch : "C'mon baby! You drop the drawers, you close the doors" (Lav humor) Gus P.S. please TTT fans, you have to keep this up!!!
46 ChrisNH : After seeing a picture of her and reading about her behavior cased by the breakup of a 10-year relationship, I'm shocked...SHOCKED...that ANYONE could
47 FWAERJ : I know someone who works in an emergency room. Every drunk person who he sees, no matter what the blood alcohol level, has the exact same response as
48 Mir : And where exactly was his sense of holiday cheer? Absolutely!!! "You'd better buckle up, or I'm gonna buckle down on yo' ass! There's gonna be some p
49 HZ747300 : Like peanuts on a flight. Life has beaten the crap out of her.
50 Rdwelch : Ladies and Gents, we have a winner!! I can't help but get the visual of him demonstrating the O2 mask and life vest. Gus.
51 FlyguyPBI : and PLEASE let's add DL to the list of airlines she is banned from as well? I think I'll print her prom picture ( oops, mugg shot) and put in it in m
52 PROSA : Ugh, do I regret having made the "reasonably hot" comment
53 YULWinterSkies : That does not call much to comment. Some people are just plain stupid, period. That's mean that 100+ fellow pax have to endure the delay of a diversi
54 777DAD : I think that was the wrong thing to say on this forum. In lieu of her conduct however I hope she gets BBQ'd. Drunk or not, that's not the way to trea
55 Pboud0 : Maybe we should just remove alcohol from airports and at the least remove it from airplanes. As Stated many times before 99.9% of the time its alcohol
56 777DAD : You know what the say " A six pack + four makes a 10"
57 GSPSPOT : Don't the airlines have strict policies on serving alcohol when pax appear intoxicated???
58 CasInterest : I think this person was on more than just Alcohol. From all the descriptions I have read, she didn't have enough alcohol to be this disruptive. Unless
59 Dgehfx : Here is how Air Canada deals with such a situation: I was working as a flight attendant and about 45 seconds before touch-down a gentleman stood up an
60 IAirAllie : I think in addition to fines and jail time people who cause diversions because of their lousy behavior should have to compensate for the cost of the
61 IAirAllie : DGHFX I had a similar crappy experience on a former airline. We were on the ground a group was combative, argumentative and refused to properly stow c
62 SouthLoopSWA : Not an exact number, but it usually is the case that alcohol is involved. The problem arises when someone comes aboard with a few drinks in them, the
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