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CO Announces Intent To Join Star Alliance  
User currently offlineSalMonela From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 64 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 24059 times:

Excerpt from their press release:

http://www.continental.com/web/en-US...apps/vendors/default.aspx?i=PRNEWS

Continental Airlines and United Airlines Announce Comprehensive Plan for Global Cooperation; Continental Plans to Join Star Alliance
CHICAGO, June 19 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Continental Airlines (NYSE: CAL) and United Airlines (Nasdaq: UAUA) today announced a framework agreement to cooperate extensively, linking their networks and services worldwide to the benefit of customers, and creating revenue opportunities and cost savings and other efficiencies. In addition, Continental plans to join United in the Star Alliance, the most comprehensive airline alliance in the world.

"Continental's plan to partner with United and join the Star Alliance will provide substantial new opportunities for all of our customers," said Larry Kellner, chairman and CEO of Continental. "In a network business, there is significant value gained from linking with larger networks to provide truly national coverage and expanded global reach, and exploring new ways to reduce costs and improve efficiencies. As we experience some of the most challenging conditions airlines have ever faced, we look forward to the benefits of a new relationship with United and the other Star Alliance members."

Kellner and Tilton are meeting in Chicago this afternoon to sign a framework agreement outlining the systemwide alliance and cooperation principles between their carriers.

Antitrust Immunized Joint Ventures

Through this new partnership, Continental and United plan to establish joint ventures allowing them to cooperate with each other and with other Star Alliance airlines in international regions and compete more effectively in an increasingly global air travel market.

Initially, Continental will request the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) to allow it to join United -- along with Lufthansa, Air Canada and six other carriers -- in their already established antitrust immunized alliance. This will enable Continental, United, Lufthansa, Air Canada and other immunized Star Alliance carriers to work closely together as other antitrust immunized alliances do, and to establish trans-Atlantic and other international joint ventures so they can deliver highly competitive flight schedules, fares and service. The planned trans-Atlantic joint venture, in which Continental, United, Lufthansa and Air Canada will pool revenue, will permit the carriers to compete more effectively with the proposed joint venture involving certain SkyTeam members that was recently granted antitrust immunity. The trans-Atlantic joint venture will combine the strength of the carriers to create a more efficient and comprehensive trans-Atlantic network for the carriers' customers.

Joint ventures are also planned for the Latin America and Asia/Pacific regions, involving Continental, United and other members of the Star Alliance. Both antitrust immunity and code-sharing are subject to receipt of approvals from applicable national authorities.

Domestic Codesharing and Frequent Flier/Lounge Reciprocity

Continental's and United's route networks are highly complementary, with little overlap, so they add value to each other and to customers who are planning domestic and international itineraries.

In the United States domestic market, where antitrust immunity for solely domestic travel would not apply, the two airlines plan to begin broad code-sharing, which facilitates the creation of itineraries using both carriers, as well as frequent Flier program, elite customer recognition and airport lounge reciprocity. These cooperative activities are subject to regulatory notice to applicable authorities and Continental exiting certain of its current alliance relationships. Under code-sharing, customers will benefit from a coordinated process for reservations/ticketing, check-in, flight connections and baggage transfer.

Frequent flier reciprocity will allow members of Continental's OnePass program and United's Mileage Plus program to earn miles in their accounts when flying on either partner airline and redeem awards on both carriers. Travel on either carrier will count toward elite customer recognition. Similarly, each carrier's customers will have access to both Continental's Presidents Club network and United's Red Carpet Club network of airport lounges.

Continental Joining Star Alliance

Continental's plans to join the Star Alliance and the other planned cooperation are subject to receipt of certain regulatory and other approvals and the termination of certain contractual relationships, including Continental's existing agreements with SkyTeam members that restrict its participation in another global alliance. Continental intends to terminate its existing agreements with SkyTeam members and obtain the necessary approvals to enter the Star Alliance, although Continental may not be successful, and the time period for doing so may be out of Continental's control. For example, a principal contractual restriction will not terminate until nine months after the closing of the proposed Delta/Northwest merger. Continental intends to transition out of SkyTeam and into the Star Alliance in a customer friendly manner.

Joining the Star Alliance will connect Continental with United and 19 other airlines around the world. Within Star, frequent Fliers enjoy reciprocity with respect to both mileage accrual and redemption among the member airlines. The airlines also reciprocally recognize elite status, and provide access to the worldwide network of lounges operated by the Star Alliance airlines.

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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4050 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 24082 times:
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finally..................its been no secret!!!!


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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 24058 times:

Just got the email, and was hoping to beat everyone to the punch. Oh well.

That means, I would think, CLE-LHR will be in our future here, as well as CLE-FRA.


User currently offlineLudavid777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 24018 times:

lol beat me to it, just suggested deletion for my thread.  Smile

User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4050 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 23925 times:
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Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 2):
well as CLE-FRA

problem is...............the 757...............talk about stretching!! Just not a reality. That was nice about CDG/AMS, w/in reach of CLE.



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User currently offlineNW748i From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 362 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 23859 times:

Congrats to CO (and UA)! They definitely made the right choice...


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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 23863 times:

Effective when, when will CO leave Skyteam.......

User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 23786 times:

SHOCKING!

Surprising for me (who hasn't followed all this merger mayhem) !

Kudos to Continental Airlines.

Let's hope United Air Lines survives this economic turmoil.



Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5210 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 23784 times:

Time to pop bottles, time for me to officially give DL/NW the middle finger Big grin
This should help those SQ IAH loads.



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User currently offlineLudavid777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 23741 times:

I do have to say I'm going to miss flying AF.  Sad Though living in DC UA will come in handy...

Quoting SalMonela (Thread starter):
For example, a principal contractual restriction will not terminate until nine months after the closing of the proposed Delta/Northwest merger. Continental intends to transition out of SkyTeam and into the Star Alliance in a customer friendly manner.

I have a ticket on KE to BKK in October, so it is safe to assume CO will still be skyteam then?


User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 23749 times:

Good riddance! We'll miss ya...NOT!  Silly

User currently offlineMeta From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 23698 times:

Continental is my favorite airline and was in an alliance with my other favorite airline. I guess none are my favorite now. When do they leave?

User currently offlineNuggets From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 23637 times:

What may this mean for US and Star Alliance? Will UA/US/CO compliment each other?

User currently offlineGreenair727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 617 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 23598 times:



Quote:
problem is...............the 757...............talk about stretching!! Just not a reality. That was nice about CDG/AMS, w/in reach of CLE.

CLE-FRA can be done with a 752, can't it? If the CLE-CDG is moved to FRA, does that mean AMS won't come to fruition? With Spanair and TAP in Star, how about CLE-LIS 4x and CLE-MAD 3x on CO (if AMS is out of the picture)?


User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 23557 times:

CO will still be in SkyTeam untill about 9 months after DL-NW finalize their merger.

What will happen to CM? join star too?


User currently offlineDellatorre From Brazil, joined May 2000, 1088 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 23557 times:

I always thought CO was left aside in Skyteam. Now with Star Alliance they will be a major player, specially in Latin America.

Hope TAM joins Star soon, so UA+CO+JJ will dominate LAmerica.


User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6359 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 23504 times:

So if CM will presumably follow CO to Star...what wll become of the CO/TA relationship.

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 9):
This should help those SQ IAH loads.

If SQ can wait out a year of losses till it takes effect...



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User currently offlineLudavid777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 23500 times:



Quoting Luisca (Reply 15):
What will happen to CM? join star too?

I'm assuming this wont affect CM, since CM's FF is Onepass. Though they are an associate under skyteam sponsored by CO. So I guess they'll follow CO?


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 23500 times:

From the article...

"teams from the two organizations worked intensively over the last several weeks exploring creative solutions for how the two companies could achieve efficiencies and synergies that expand beyond the well-established benefits of codesharing. Their work focused on plans for significant cooperation on frequent flier programs, lounges, facility utilization, information technology and procurement. This work was assisted by the efficiency opportunities identified and relationships developed during the parties' earlier merger discussions"

" Kellner and Tilton are meeting in Chicago this afternoon to sign a framework agreement outlining the systemwide alliance and cooperation principles between their carriers."

I thought Tilton was only hell-bent on selling out the company and enriching himself with his stock options.. sarcastic 



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5093 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 23447 times:

Too bad they didn't go for OneWorld.


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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6791 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 23456 times:

Hahahahahaa.. so this means HELLO Continental.. Bye Bye US Airways..

Star Alliance does not need US afterall.. CO brings a NY area hub and an oil country hub.. US will be taking.. what? PHL, PHX, and CLT? I don't think those areas will be missed very much.. as great as they all are in their own way, I don't think it will be that big of a problem..



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineBP1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 23451 times:

Can we get UA and CO to share the US terminal at PHX Sky Harbor Terminal 4? Although UA and CO already share at the outdated Terminal 2 at Sky Harbor it would be great to get them under the same umbrella so we would have UA, CO & US working all together in one Terminal. That might also help the City of Phoenix as they get ready to update T2.

Cheers,
BP1

So glad to see another real airline join the one really global alliance - Star Alliance.



"First To Fly The A-380" / 26 October 2007 SYD-SIN Inaugural
User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3188 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 23401 times:

I wonder what this will mean for the AMS flights. I expect both second daily flights to be transfered to FRA and I won't hold my breath for AMS-IAH either...

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27342 posts, RR: 60
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 23304 times:

Great to see CO coming into Star . Time to kick US Airways out !!

User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6359 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 23255 times:



Quoting Joost (Reply 23):
I expect both second daily flights to be transfered to FRA and I won't hold my breath for AMS-IAH either...

Most of this traffic is IAH-AMS-DME/Africa/north sea.....not too much of it is transferrign at IAH...



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25 MasseyBrown : I hate to be pessimistic, but it may be premature to assume CLE will have *any* European service next year. I already suspected the cancellation of s
26 Banjo76 : I definetly think CO will become a worse airline getting close to UA levels. What a shame, the only decent US airline... Guess I'll fly them no longer
27 Ota1 : I was so much looking forward to this happening!!! Congratulations CO & UA, congratulations Star Alliance!!!
28 Yellowtail : Maybe UA can come up to CO standards. Seriously...LH, SQ are some of the best airlines around and being in the same alliance as UA has not brought th
29 XXMHxLHx5LXx : Yeeeehaa... can't wait for them to Join STAR. Finally more possibilities to fly to LatAM, a hub in NYC-Area, a hub in the South... But same question..
30 Co777er : I really doubt this will happen. The only overlap might be ground crews. After all, they are still two separate airlines.
31 UA2162 : What great news! I personally think this is better than the merger. However, this is terrible news for US. They're done. I can't imagine them being al
32 Sebring : With the joint venture, and Canada-US open skies, CO from CLE will be able to code-share on AC's international network via YYZ. It's just a short hop
33 BP1 : Why are so many of you saying drop US from the Alliance? I am confused as to why? Besides poor service and paying for everything - why are some of you
34 MasseyBrown : Congratulations, you have just set CLE back 45 years. AC was running 747's CLE-YYZ-LHR in the 60's.
35 EIRules : Finally a decent Star carrier westbound from DUB
36 Flyb : This will create quite a strong network across N. America since Air Canada will compliment these carriers well.
37 STT757 : EWR-AMS will most likely stay 2xs daily, most of the largest Cities in Europe CO has double daily frequencies to from EWR: DUB, LGW, LHR, FCO, MAD, B
38 Wj : Why is there such a strong belief that CLE is going to see international growth out of this? The proximity to ORD and the fact that its not the best O
39 CLE757 : Have to you been to the congested ORD?...CLE is a good O&D market, FRA would do well.
40 Whappeh : Because they are 100% convinced that Star Alliance needs to be perfect in every way. The following is not very politically correct: Ever fly on an FR
41 Twa727 : Now will they get Virgin Atlantic to join Star Alliance too? They already partner with Continental as well as a log of the existing members (ANA, Air
42 Flyb : Really what benifit does US bring to the alliance? US would be better off joining SkyTeam.
43 Super80DFW : I guess since nobody answered your post, you just made a whole new thread didn't you. _______________________________________________________________
44 OA260 : Exactly ... and to NYC !!! Great news indeed.
45 XXMHxLHx5LXx : Any chances of seeing CO at MUC then? Would be great to see the globe here...
46 ERJ170 : Now, so that the alliance shuffle game has commenced, what are the potential results? Star Alliance: Continental, United, (jetBlue?) One World: Americ
47 STT757 : This improves Star's presence in NYC dramatically, at EWR Star has the following services; Lufthansa- Dusseldorf 1 A340-300- Frankfurt 1 747-400, 1 BB
48 OzarkD9S : If US opts out of Star, I think they'll most likely look to oneworld, or Skyteam. Geographically, oneworld is the better fit. I doubt if they would s
49 AviationMaster : Awsome news! Could this mean a future upgrading of the ZRH-EWR flights either by LX or CO?
50 PNQIAD : Don't you think this statement of yours makes you look clueless and stupid? Did you bother to think that the reason you see so many Indians on FRA-PH
51 Alitalia744 : Take care. I can now officially stop flying out of EWR. Good luck CO and enjoy Star!
52 CXA330300 : While OneWorld sits back, relaxes, and watches Star reach the tipping point....
53 Whappeh : You're right, it came off rather bigoted, which wasn't my intention. So hopefully everyone can forgive for that. The point I was trying to make was t
54 OA412 : The notion that LH and UA do not want to deal with Indian passengers and that they are only worthy of flying a 3rd rate carrier akin to a bus is high
55 DeltAirlines : This gives Star the much-needed NYC hub that they were lacking. UA is a bit player in the NYC market (I'd say AA has the edge on NYC-Chicago, AA is r
56 MaverickM11 : Especially considering that LH is the largest international carrier to/from India
57 Yflyer : I have both a Miles Plus account and a OnePass account. Once CO joins Star Alliance, I'll be stuck with two different Star Alliance FF accounts, which
58 LHR777 : What do you mean by this? Whilst I had personally hoped for CO to join OW and not *A, it's pretty much a done deal now, subject to regulatory approva
59 CO777ER : The don't expire.
60 Post contains images Lambert747 : It is a reality, just as Continental Airlines Boeing 757 from EWR-TXL is a reality It means that Star Alliance has 2 full service airlines and one LC
61 Jetlanta : Excellent point. At some point some of the players in Star are going to start realizing that they are competing too heavily with their own partners.
62 ERJ170 : Why would oneworld or Skyteam want US Airways? oneworld has AA, and though their southeast is a little lacking, they do not need CLT for that.. DFW t
63 Burnsie28 : Thank YOU, Finally, get rid of the worthless part of Skyteam.
64 Sshank : Are you retarded? LH with over 50 weekly flights to India is quite happy to deal with Indians. It would be offensive if it came from some one smarter
65 Delta2UAL : Are you saying that AC has more flights from YYZ to LHR than CO and UA have total flights to LHR? If that's what you're saying that's wrong. UA flies
66 Yflyer : True, but after 18 months with no activity the account gets closed if I remember correctly, so that's effectively the same thing.
67 Eyeonthesky17 : Agreed... Lufthansa is more than happy to have them aboard. The Indian corporate and ethnic markets are a huge piece of LH's global success and belie
68 EIRules : I think this is almost inevitable with the way the industry is going. Most likely we will see more consolidation between airlines within the alliance
69 CO777ER : Didn't know that. Here's the rules from CO's website.
70 Lambert747 : This move should not come as any sort of shock. It has been known for a while that Continental Airlines was not exactly happy with SkyTeam. This decis
71 Post contains links and images Ludavid777 : Onepass is the only program were miles don't EVER expire, even if you have no activity... So you'll be waiting for a long time.   Here is the member
72 LHR777 : Who? Karl Marx brother? Groucho Marx son? Ahh you mean B777-200ER ship number 14. Formerly 'Peter Max'!!
73 Lambert747 : I am almost certain that US Airways will be the odd man on its way out. Star Alliance wants quality not an airline that is in a state of a personalit
74 F28 : Yeaa I also wonder what will happen in Scandinavia ? CO is a success in Norway mainly due to the lack of competition. But at ARN and CPH they are fie
75 Meta : If they don't benefit Star Alliance (which they now won't), then why should they join Skyteam? DL and NW can beat US, and in OneWorld AA can beat US.
76 Lambert747 : Very true as Continental Airlines now offers service from IAH, EWR, and CLE to London. The combination with United Airlines SFO, LAX, IAD, ORD, DEN s
77 Falcon84 : I'm not saying there's going to be "growth", but I do believe that, in the long run, it will change the destinations served out of CLE. LHR will even
78 BOAC911 : True. LH doesn't have that option in the FRA-DFW market. But if it wasn't for the huge amount of connecting traffic from/to Indian subcontinent we wo
79 9252fly : This will be good news for South African Airways. My money is on them moving their USA gateways,one of them being EWR from JFK. For you CO folks in IA
80 NW748i : Why the rush to get rid of US? Are they supposed to just give up the southeast? I'm sure US has a place in this...
81 MaverickM11 : I don't think there's any real cost to the alliance to having US; I don't think an alliance can have "too many" carriers in one region. The greater s
82 Greenair727 : As CLE-CDG seems to be doing very well, i was thinking along the same lines of perhaps a side-deal with AF or if Paris has enough local traffic that
83 Post contains links Ota1 : Looks like US does not see any need to leave Star : With Continental announcing it would partner with United and join the Star Alliance (see below), m
84 FlyMD : As a Star Gold (UA Prem. Exec.) and a lover of CO, I am THRILLED!!!!!!!. It will be interesting to see just how far this cooperation goes. COngrats to
85 COalways : This is really nice CO going to be expanding into some really neat international destinations IAH-Africa, EWR-Singapore, EWR-Pol
86 Post contains links Lambert747 : Is it a fault of the Indians because they want to fly on a quality product? Most times people see a Lufthansa flight number and point and click. When
87 AmricanShamrok : Wooooooo Never imagined Syteam without CO...Hope it works out for them, I always admired Continental.
88 Lambert747 : I am sure a lot of people are going to be saying: "So long Flying Blue, and hello Miles & More" on the European side of things. [Edited 2008-06-19 14
89 Sukhoi : I could see CO running all three of the Scandinavian capitals double daily during the high season with a SK & UA codeshare feeding the EWR hub. SK la
90 TVNWZ : I think you are right. It comes out basically for CO, that UA replaces NW in the midwest and US replaces DL in the east. Sort of lke Skyteam was.
91 Jetlanta : Seriously? Bristol? Belfast? What a serious strategic deficiency! I swore I wouldn't respond to you anymore, but this one just cracked me up. How abo
92 Humberside : I would wait until IAH had MAD and LIS services until CLE gets them I wonder if any Star cariers will shift flights from JFK to EWR as a result? Clea
93 CO777DAL : Damn it!!! I wished CO would have joined Oneworld. I have never flow UA and have no plans to fly them in the future, espc all the stuff I read about t
94 Ualcsr : On a side note here, has there been any announcement of how this will affect non-reving between UA and CO? Will UA employees be able to ride the equiv
95 RwSEA : Excellent move on CO's part. SkyTeam is an inferior alliance to Star in every aspect of the word. SkyTeam is minimal everywhere outside of Europe and
96 Nuggets : Same here. I'm a loyal UA flyer but I love and respect CO. Can't wait to fly CO to the destinations that UA doesn't serve very well.
97 QANTAS077 : just fix the South American & Australian problems...
98 DeltaL1011man : What!?!?!? lets look at hubs shall we (i'll add AA so no one says they should go to Oneworld) US:CLT PHL PHX DL: ATL JFK SLC NW:MEM DTW MSP AA: MIA J
99 Joeljack : Here is from a United Email: "As a valued Mileage Plus member, we wanted you to be among the first to hear that Continental and United today announced
100 Chinook747 : don't forget AC YYC-EWR
101 Lambert747 : Indeed as they relate to the airline - Continental Airlines and alliance - Star Alliance which we are discussing. As I have stated before the airline
102 9252fly : Think JJ for South America. As far as Australia goes,NZ seems to have reasonable coverage for passengers connecting from the USA via AKL. What's your
103 Deltaflyertoo : Will this be the end of accruing one pass miles on VS flights from LAX-LHR?
104 AussieItaliano : As a UA Premier Exec, I'm delighted to hear about this, but there are a few thoughts that I think the CO board might have in mind with choosing this a
105 AirCanada014 : Don't forget AC flies from YVR, YYC, YEG, YYZ, YOW, YUL and YHZ This is the best news so far for 2008 having CO joining the best global alliance Star
106 Max Q : Bad idea. I do not think we should link with UAL in any manner, sully the brand..
107 Singapore_Air : I am not well-versed in United's operations in depth, but one would hope and think that Continental would survive any "sullying" that associations wi
108 Ludavid777 : It is still currently an ID90. I just checked. Hopefully that will change but I'm sure that's not a priority. Maybe it'll be a nice cheap ZED like th
109 Eyeonthesky17 : I doubt anyone at OneWorld is sitting back and relaxing considering that the financial troubles of AA make it look more and more like the Titanic. Wo
110 Falcon84 : Between EWR, IAD and CLE, the Southest US is pretty well covered for this alliance.
111 As777 : So here is my question. What is going to happen with AS and CO's relationship? I mean, they dont really have a "great" one, but as of right now I can
112 United787 : Maybe you try UA so you can judge for yourself. United is a great airline that gets a lot of heat on this website, some of warranted, most of it not
113 Goomba : The two best airlines have joined forces... How awesome... I can't wait to give DL and NW the middle finger now.
114 Ludavid777 : Since Copa's frequent flyer program is actually Continental's Onepass, I would say it's safe to assume Copa is staying... I love Copa! They are a min
115 ThreeIfByAir : I'm wondering the same thing. AS doesn't mind FF alliances with a variety of carriers, but doesn't have any current partnerships with *A airlines. AS
116 WesternA318 : Amen to that! That would be awesome to see CO back in the US terminal.
117 Falcon84 : This should clean up the concourse alignments at CLE as well. There's no doubt in my mind now that NW will be taking UA's gates on Concourse B, and UA
118 AS777 : I agree. I just hope AS keeps their close ties with DL/NW and AA. Otherwise I might have to move to SEA. Hahahaaha. I also see AS starting up SEA-EWR
119 Fsnuffer : Which brand UA's or CO's? I have been a 100K UA member and a CO gold member and it is CO's brand that is being dragged down by this. Even in this tou
120 DL Widget Head : Exactly. I'm 99.9% sure that DL has no interest in pursuing any kind of deal with US. US would be much better off if they were able to get back into
121 Jfk777 : Continenatal is first class airline joining Singapore, Air Canada, All Nipon Air, Lufthansa, SAA, United and many other airlines. Though Texas did't n
122 Commavia : Great, great move by Continental. Very smart. This was definitely the right strategic decision for them to make as the Star Alliance network would def
123 RwSEA : AS has flown SEA-EWR for a few years now. They did serve SEA-IAD briefly after 9/11 but it was since dropped. They do fly SEA-DCA. I'm guessing AS wi
124 Bbinn333 : It Says On Their Website "Continental Airlines today announced that it intends to transition into the Star Alliance from the SkyTeam alliance as a res
125 Haggis79 : you don't really believe that many Europeans choose the carrier they give their loyalty to by looking at the US partners of those carriers, do you...
126 Travelin man : I'd agree with this. AS wouldn't serve a purpose, and I'm sure UA wouldn't appreciate CO continuing to codeshare with AS, UA's biggest competitor in
127 Lufthansa : This is GREAT. Finally Star is back in NYC! haha, Now if we can just get get BMI, LH and VS to work something out in London, Star will be a major in a
128 Sdexplorer00 : With Continental now about to have it's West Coast needs met through UA and with DL/NW still weak on the West Coast, particularly in light of feed for
129 DTWAGENT : Are they that unhappy with the Skyteam? I have only flown on CO one time and they where a good airline. However, their prices are very high for the pl
130 AznMadSci : YES YES YES!!! Now if SQ can just stay around at IAH till CO enters Star, I will be happy as a clam!!! The thought of earning OnePass miles on SQ! SW
131 Flybynight : Finally some good news from UA. I got my e-mail from UA this afternoon (as a Premier Exec member) stating the good news. Ahh, EWR to OSL again. Someth
132 Thomasphoto60 : So, what is the normal length of time from announcing plans to full integration into an alliance? Thomas
133 SA7700 : It would be interesting to see if SA would contemplate a move from JFK to EWR once CO is in Star. Although SA's flights to-and from of JFK have O&D vo
134 Lambert747 : Trust me Europeans that do frequent business in the USA will know exactly what I am talking about. Perhaps you view the difference as slight, if noth
135 Kunta67 : Are you kidding me American's service is worse than United's!!! I'm both a Premier Exec and an Alaska MVP member and so I fly AA, NW, and DL. AA's se
136 WorldTraveler : I hate to be the bearer of bad news but if you think that DL/NW and AF/KL will allow CO to leave Skyteam before its contractual obligations have been
137 777fan : What great news, after a long (16 hrs+), shitty day! Perfect for BWI where UA and CO have gates directly across from one another. I suppose that this
138 Flybynight : SK from SEA as well. LH is actually a newbie at SEA. Air France and BA also fly to Europe as well NW. UA used to fly to London from SEA.
139 Ualcsr : In addition to all that's been mentioned with respect to European service, the combination of UA's Asian routes with Continental Micronesia's routes w
140 ExFATboy : It's entirely possible that US and UA could bring pressure on CO to sever their ties to AS, as between the two Star has a stronger West Coast network
141 Lambert747 : I am more than sure that the management of Continental Airlines was aware of this when they decided to drop SkyTeam for Star Alliance. The move was a
142 JoFMO : The press release states that CO will apply for anti trust immunity. "Initially, Continental will request the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT)
143 MMEPHX : Spot on. This announcement is 18-24 months from becoming reality unless CO offers up some sort of compensation to Skyteam to gt an early release. Sky
144 RedTailDTW : Even though I never fly CO, I really don't like that they are leaving because that just makes SkyTeam weaker. But regardless, I like the fact that CO
145 COalways : That going to be perfect timeing to luanch a 787 route to a Star Hub! Any guess which Star hub would be annouce besides Germany?
146 Post contains images AznMadSci : WAHOO LET THE FUN BEGIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Who knows. But even if SQ drops IAH in a few years, there is still the possibility to fly them later on on
147 IliriBDL : Great news for Star Alliance. Wonder if CO will move over to where UA and US are at BDL. They're more than welcome to join us.
148 CO 757-300 : any speculation on changes to the tatl flights? AMS & CDG downgraded to 1 flight a day? introduction of EWR-MUC on 764/762? HAM or TXL upgraded? add'l
149 Carpethead : I guess CO will move from the North Wing to South Wing at NRT's Terminal 1. Now NH can look at two US hubs (IAH & EWR) for possible transpac expansion
150 RwSEA : Well not really anymore. DL has their two flights, and of course there's SU, but AA just started Russia and UA is starting soon. Regardless, CO's big
151 DeltaL1011man : SLC? AS might but AA would hate it. Don't let the door hit them in the a** on the way out.
152 Ikramerica : Well, they weren't always like that. I flew QF LAX-SYD-PER-LAX(via MEL+SYD) in F for 125k miles in Nov 2006. Now the redemption level is doubled.
153 Lambert747 : There is not much Trans-Pac need if any from the Salt Lake City market Alaska dances with everyone from American to Delta to Continental to Northwest
154 United787 : I am no cheerleader of SkyTeam but Delta has pretty good coverage to Latin America and last I checked AeroMexico is in Latin America. I would agree t
155 AznMadSci : Has QR suggested or been invited to join Star? It would also be interesting to see what happens with CO's cooperation with IT as AI will also be a mem
156 FlyIGuy : LX does not serve IAD anymore, however SA and NH do...Also COPA serves IAD with one flight to PTY, I wonder if that will help their loads in and out
157 DeltaL1011man : What? DL (the 2nd largest carrier to Latin America/ South America) and AM would disagree. CZ, KE, and NW cover Asia pretty good and soon I think DL w
158 MasseyBrown : 2nd largest? Jan-May 08 Latin RPM for DL 4.647 billion; for CO 5.168 billion. I recall a certain Delta zealot saying DL would be number 2; but, like
159 RwSEA : Right. Not only that, but Star now has UA/CO with extensive service to Latin America, not to mention LAN and AA in OneWorld. Sorry, but a single 763
160 Lambert747 : Thanks for the correction... It was a reference to SLC being disadvantageous compared to other legacy airlines West Coast hubs when it comes to the A
161 Kiwiandrew : very interesting , I can see this going one of two ways Obviously CO jumping ship is a major blow to Skyteam and they can either ; Use every contractu
162 DeltaL1011man : Oh yes UA's large network I guess we should say DL/NW will have "extensive" service. A single daily 763? Do you know anything about Delta South Ameri
163 Centrair : Good for CO. This means they don't have to move far at NRT. They get to be at the better wing. This also means more options for East Coast and South t
164 RwSEA : Look, I'm just pointing out that SkyTeam doesn't have optimal coverage of Latin America. They have a single flight daily to GIG, SCL, and EZE (until
165 DeltaL1011man : No they don't have great coverage but it isn't like they have very little. Delta and AM cover it nicely. It would be nice to get a third carrier but
166 Ikramerica : Let's see how hard CO lobbies the Antitrust regulators to get released from SkyTeam as a condition of the DL/NW merger...
167 RwSEA : Well there's your mistake All in good fun man.
168 DL Widget Head : Don't forget about CO's flights as well as Copa. Also, I hear that GOL/Varig may soon be joining ST.
169 MilesDependent : With all the negativity around Star Alliance's recent addditions (e.g. Egypt Air, Air India / Indian, Turkish, Air China). I think it is important to
170 SQ452 : Not to mention the EWR flight....man SQ brass in Singapore has to be happy about this!
171 Burkhard : Her former loser boyfriend left her for an ugly, but more influential one.. And he never washes his planes.
172 SQ452 : I thought TAM was aggressively being courted.
173 DeltaL1011man : Ok Now I'm lost. "he never washes his planes" That has to be AF. But CO joined with NW/KL and mostly worked with them and not DL/AF who (along with A
174 Jetlanta : sorry, posted in error[Edited 2008-06-19 23:59:51]
175 PlanesNTrains : What would happen if CO were to merge with UA at some point. Would this invalidate their agreement with SkyTeam? Keep in mind, though, that AF/KL and
176 CF105Arrow : Do you really think that TAM would be signing all those MOU with star alliance members while knowing that GOL/Varig might be joining![Edited 2008-06-
177 Someone83 : SK and CP had a successful co-operation in the early 90s, and I think both will benefit from this, as they would have almost all the US-Scandinavia t
178 Ualcsr : SU was the world's largest airline for a long time and didn't go much beyond the former S.U. AA is the largest carrier in the world now and doesn't c
179 FUN2FLY : I bet this cancellation was part of the "deal." LH wants lots of volume through MUC, FRA.
180 CuriousFlyer : If UA goes chapter 11 or chapter 7, CO will naturally fill their space in Star...
181 Theginge : BA have announced naturally that their talks with Continental have ended.
182 AusTexFlyer : As a loyal CO patron I have mixed feelings about this. The prospects of the new airlines and new destinations/hubs to fly through are exciting. I flew
183 STT757 : SA served IAH back in the '70s/'80s, something to keep in mind. Are you not the same person who claimed CO had to go through a waiting period before
184 Post contains images B742 : Interesting times ahead for Continental, looking forward to seeing them in Star Alliance. Hopefuly US will leave because of this. Edit - The logo has
185 COalways : CO is going to have plenty of wide bodies to start new service into new STAR Hubs im sure there going to pull some widebodies off of AMS 767-400 to g
186 SA7700 : Yes, with the 74L's. Maybe we will see SA in IAH once again.
187 CO777ER : AMS will keep the widebody. It's too large of a city. Maybe they will throw an additional 752 from EWR-Scandinavia now that the 739R is around. SAS w
188 Yellowtail : And maybe we see JJ at IAH!
189 Travelin man : CO is already joined with UA at LAX in T6. I wonder if they will give up LAX-HNL for UA, and then start an LAX-GUM with that plane?
190 STT757 : If they didn't give it up to DL/NWA, why would they give it up to UAL. Besides LAX-HNL is a 757-200 now, it does not have the range for LAX-GUM. I wo
191 Jetlanta : I'd argue its all about keeping the revenue for yourself and not giving it to other airlines, including alliance partners. Alliances are great as far
192 United1 : While I agree that there is some overlap in Star, I don't see how CO joining is going to make it worse. UA and COs networks have little overlap and c
193 Davescj : I think CO would be smart to give "courtesy" upgrades. But UA uses certs, CO just upgrades. I doubt that will change. I will stay with CO, and I won'
194 Lambert747 : There is not near as much head-to-head competition as their is in the New York Metro Area between Continental Airlines and Delta Air Lines. Both have
195 Jetlanta : Oh, I dont think CO makes it worse per se. I was just making the point the idea that the endgame here is alliance coverage is an a.net misconception.
196 OA412 : But you're forgetting that DL/NW are not the only members of the alliance. What about AF/KL and CO's obligations to them?
197 PlanesNTrains : It's my understanding that AF/KL are currently the worlds largest "airline". It's my understanding that DL+NW will be - at a minimum - the largest US
198 United1 : Oh absolutely at the end of the day its all about the individual carrier making a profit, however sometimes being part of the largest alliance with t
199 Jetlanta : Yeah, I'm on board..except that I would say that I'd rather be the only airline in a particular alliance that can deliver a market pair than one of t
200 Jetlanta : No. It's better carrying those people on your planes...if you can do so profitably. Your scenario is basically a no revenue/no cost scenario. What do
201 MasseyBrown : The full quote is important: "Continental intends to terminate its existing agreements with SkyTeam members and obtain the necessary approvals to ent
202 Airzim : I haven't seen it mentioned, but does anyone else find it interesting that at one time, both Scandinavian and Air Canada had financial stakes in Conti
203 WorldTraveler : Yes, they did. Which is why they couched their press release to say that there are obligations to Skyteam they have to fulfill or be freed from befor
204 Viscount724 : Are you referring only to a specific US gateway for CO and UA? Based on current schedules, UA has as many flights from IAD alone to LHR as AC from YY
205 ElmoTheHobo : By revenue. The biggest in terms of passengers and ASMs is American (excluding Eagle), followed by United and Delta (which is a hair smaller in terms
206 Ualcsr : Unquestionably, it's all about profitability but my comment was directed at a previous post about being a big airline; it was only a big vs. coverage
207 Ualcsr : I stand corrected, it is AF/KL. But AA was largest before AF/KL and still didn't have great coverage beyond Europe and LatAm.
208 Viscount724 : Not in revenue. Based on their latest annual reports, AF-KL total revenue was about 15% higher than the combined revenues of DL and NW.
209 Travelin man : What do you mean by this statement? What does "largest revenue region" mean?
210 Jetlanta : [quote=Ualcsr,reply=206] Unquestionably, it's all about profitability but my comment was directed at a previous post about being a big airline; it was
211 Ikramerica : Yes, in this deregulated industry they need regulatory approval to switch alliances.
212 Post contains links AznMadSci : Check out the signing/photo-op of Larry at Chicago from the CO website! CO Announces Intent to Join Star Alliance
213 WorldTraveler : DL is expecting $2B in revenue synergies from the merger within the first two years. The amount of revenue for DL post merger will not be known for s
214 NYC2theworld : I have a question for everybody....How the JV with the other *A carriers affect CO TATL revenue. It has been said that the reasony why CO didn't join
215 DeltaL1011man : Doesn't CZ have SYD flights to?
216 United1 : Not sure I did a quick search for MHT-SYD and MHT-EWR/JFK-ICN-SYD popped up.[Edited 2008-06-20 21:47:08]
217 SA7700 : CZ currently operates 3x weekly A332 services between CAN-SYD-CAN
218 Davescj : Remember, CO must also apply to *A. It could be that some members would vote to exclude CO, in which case they couldn't join. I don't know the rules
219 Post contains links Kiwiandrew : they have already been given the formal invitation to join http://www.staralliance.com/en/press...leases/2008/continental_final.html Press Releases 2
220 StarGoldLHR : Does this spell the long predicted begining of the end for Virgin Atlantic now ? I cant see anything other than VS losing CO as it's US partner to sta
221 AirCanada014 : What Terminal CO use now for LHR? I can't remember. So after CO gets out of Skyteam we'll see CO move into other terminals around the world including
222 Drerx7 : Do you have a link to those stats?
223 Letsgetwet : The largest US maket is the NY metropolitan market by far.
224 Drerx7 : Well, our resident DL ambassador WT means regions not just individual metro areas. I'm just curious to see how accurate that is and how the other regi
225 AznMadSci : CO is currently at T4. Will Star be at T1? I think it will be nice for CO to move into areas with other Star members, but wouldn't the main requireme
226 Yellowstone : Sorry if this was asked before, but what effect will this have on the terminal assignments at BOS? Continental moved (fairly recently, IIRC) into Term
227 Conti764 : Any chance BRU can profit from this move? I mean, AMS is Skyteamworld (OW's AA or *A's UA have no flight at AMS at all), so it seems logical CO will m
228 Gilesdavies : Horay! We now finally have a Star Alliance carrier, covering the London-New York market! One of the most profitiable, but most competitive routes in t
229 BAW716 : Well, this is the first smart thing I've heard in a very long time. IF CO and UA can achieve anti trust immunity and coordinate schedules and fares, i
230 DeltaL1011man : Have? No Lease? maybe I would also add KE who is real close to DL
231 STT757 : Who would send them back? DL has no say in who uses those gates, CO has a signed lease with the MASSport folks which now includes the former Crown ro
232 Viscount724 : UA has been flying to AMS for years. They have a daily 777 ORD-AMS-ORD and a daily 763 IAD-AMS-IAD.
233 HanginOut : My concern would be that if Jet is having problems finding space to run its scissor operation out of BRU (they're now looking at MXP for more flights
234 Ota1 : What would CO gain from starting major ops at BRU when Star Alliance is focused on FRA, MUC, ZRH, LHR and maybe MXP (if LH really starts hub ops from
235 Bobnwa : Airline size relative to each other has been measured by either RPK's or PPM's for many many years. I really doubt that is true.
236 PlanesNTrains : Yes, I was quoting directly from ATW, but they had the "..." leaving some items out. I can see how the interpretation is open to debate. Particularly
237 Humberside : Some Star airlines are moving to T1, but IIRC all Star airlines wont be under one roof until Heathrow East is built. I would have thought CO could be
238 9252fly : I too was thinking that might be in the cards down the road. It could be messy though!
239 AznMadSci : IAH-AMS-IAH does pretty well just on O/D thanks to Royal Dutch Shell and other oil and gas companies, so the nonstop flights from KL and CO won't be
240 Conti764 : Well, maybe I was dreaming a bit about my favorite airline at 'my' airport :wink: I think a daily (late) afternoon 752 rotation EWR-BRU could (would?)
241 WorldTraveler : except that DL is the dominant airline in the SE as well as having a sizeable position in the NE as well. I will try to find the stats by region but
242 Drerx7 : WT - I could see where it could be the largest region - but it would be interesting to see the stats - in the northeast you have New York, Boston, DC,
243 Bobnwa : Still waiting to see numbers that show the SE is the largest revenue producing travel region in the US. It is remotely possible but I doubt it.
244 ExFATboy : There are likely to be limitations on CO & UA's ability to codeshare within the US to address this concern. Also depends on what eventually happens w
245 Lambert747 : Odds are you wont get it, and if you do, it will be a number that is posted without a link. If Jetlanta gets involved he will use the excuse it is on
246 LH423 : That, to put it simply, is not true. AC OVERALL to LHR may have one or two more daily flights to LHR than UA and CO combined but CO have 4 daily LHR
247 AirCanada014 : Star Alliance if I recall will be moving into Terminal 2.. I wasn't refering to EWR, I was refering to his quote about LHR
248 Kiwiandrew : not advisable since T2 is going to be demolished In fact Star will be split between T1 ( BD/SA/OZ/NZ/UA/LX/LH/SK/TP I think ) and 3 ( everyone elese
249 LJ : # If they still have the slots after they leave Skyteam. If I´m correct AF and KL surrendered slots for other Skyteam members to come in. Unless the
250 JoFMO : CO paid for their slots. They did not take any help from the likes of AF and KLM.
251 LAXdude1023 : Youre not correct. CO paid for them.
252 Lambert747 : That would be incorrect. United Airlines Heathrow Service (3)Chicago = 1x 777-200, 2x 767-300 (1)Denver = 1x 777-200 (1)Los Angeles = 1x 777-200 (2)S
253 AznMadSci : Has it been confirmed that they bought their slots from AZ or someone else?
254 UAL777UK : UA move into T1 on July 4th I cannot wait for CO to join them, this is great news.
255 Eyeonthesky17 : A bit of a new topic I guess... Since EWR is served by so many other Star Partners (LH, TP, UA, LX, SK, US, LO), does anyone have any ideas (speculati
256 Viscount724 : However RPK only considers passenger traffic. Total revenue also considers cargo which is a significant revenue generator for many airlines, includik
257 Globaldude : Terminal C in EWR is full to capacity...other STAR members will remain in B and A.
258 LHR777 : A move that probably wont happen until 2009 at the earliest. CO has handling contracts with KLM Ground Services and can't just up and leave Terminal
259 Bobnwa : Don't hold your breath on this agreement happening soon. Per an article in the Chicago Tribune a few daus ago, " Continental must wait for Delta and N
260 Post contains links Lambert747 : Delta Air Lines got 3 slot pairs from Air France. Source: http://www.executivetravelmagazine.c...e/Delta+gets+Heathrow+slots?t=anon Continental Airli
261 Panova98 : If you've lasted this long reading all 260 or so comments, congratulations! Alliances from a customer standpoint, in my opinion, are a bunch of crap.
262 Pianos101 : Max Q: I was searching through your recent posts (always nice to see stuff from a pilot's point of view). What you say here about the alliance with U
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