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CO/Star Alliance: IAH?  
User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5209 posts, RR: 8
Posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5516 times:

What kind of changes could we expect to see at IAH as a result of CO joining Star? Nothing much changed with Skyteam save for some DL and NW gate shuffling. In all actuality it seems as though service has been downgraded post CO & skyteam on NW and DL routes. Would we see United/US Airways going back over to the north concourse at IAH Terminal A? 319s/320s from Air Canada again? Heavier UA and US birds?

I know with CO leaving Skyteam it shouldn't have too much effect on KL and AF at IAH save for AF maybe not bringing the 2nd CDG flight back.

Any thoughts?


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User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3716 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5496 times:

I had list a few possibilities on another thread prior to this one, at least with other Star members. Some include a new AC/CO agreement where AC could provide mainline 2x or 3x daily to YYZ and introduce daily YUL a destination SA)">CO had dropped a while back. SA)">CO could then focus on YYC and YVR and maybe YEG. Of course the addition of MUC by LH, and if that is as successful, possibly ZRH with LX. Also, BD could introduce or be a feeder for a one-stop to ABZ, while SK could do the same for OSL and BGO.

Some dreams could be SA coming back to IAH via Lagos, if possible. SA)">CO or CA doing IAH-PEK, and maybe TK to IST.

While writing those, I did have a random though pop up which I posted on the IAH Spotters group. There had been endless mention of AI going to either IAH or DFW or both in various combinations. AI has always been saying we will go to either or both airport soon. With their future membership into Star and SA)">CO being given an invitation to join Star, I would like to think this make IAH a favorite now as a future Star hub rather than DFW with service within the next 2yrs rather than sometime in this lifetime.



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User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5299 times:



Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 1):
Some dreams could be SA coming back to IAH via Lagos

SA would likely stick with DKR as it currently is used as their refueling stop on the JNB-IAD and JNB-JFK route. With IAH located further south and west,it could mean a different refueling stop. What I see happening is SA dropping IAD for IAH and moving JFK over to EWR. A non-stop both ways CPT-IAH would be dreamy,but very unlikely as JNB is SA main hub. I believe it would be technically possible,just not sure what the payload restriction issues would be. No doubt someone will do some rough calculations and let us know.


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4050 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5284 times:
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i doubt teh 2nd KL flight will leave. There are to many ties w/ Shell to let go of this flight.

Now, MXP/FCO I think are out the window!!



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User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5256 times:



Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 1):
Some include a new AC/CO agreement where AC could provide mainline 2x or 3x daily to YYZ and introduce daily YUL a destination SA)">SA)">CO had dropped a while back. SA)">SA)">CO could then focus on YYC and YVR and maybe YEG.

How AC and SA)">CO end up co-operating should be very interesting to watch. Considering they will both be part of the trans-Atlantic joint venture suggests they will likely find a way to make it a win,win for both parties. AC is currently using the 705 on the IAH-YYZ and IAH-YYC routes,that will be history in due course and is likely to be up-gauged with either one or both operating the routes.

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User currently offlineAirlineAddict From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5024 times:
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Quoting CALMSP (Reply 3):
Now, MXP/FCO I think are out the window!!

But hopefully MAD will be a higher priority with Spanair as a partner.

As for long shots...
- ICN to IAH on OZ rather than KE
- IAH's first regularly scheduled A380 from FRA on LH  bouncy  (most likely it will be the 748 which be just fine!)

One could dream...


User currently offlineOta1 From Germany, joined Apr 2008, 399 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5008 times:
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Quoting CALMSP (Reply 3):
Now, MXP/FCO I think are out the window!!

Not necessarily, as LH is said to be planning to establish a hub at MXP


User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3716 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4919 times:



Quoting AirlineAddict (Reply 5):
But hopefully MAD will be a higher priority with Spanair as a partner.

I still think MAD is among those listed as priority for IAH once the 788s arrive. Prior to Skyteam, CO had a partnership with UX in which UX codeshared on the EWR-MAD flights while CO put their code on UX domestic flights..

Quoting AirlineAddict (Reply 5):
One could dream...

Yup ... and can come true! Still don't believe SQ serves IAH, which I finally saw parked either at D5 or D6 when I landed a few weeks back from SEA. My next dream is to keep them and add a few more!



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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4050 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4834 times:
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EgyptAir and Asiana are the two I would like to see enter the market. Would be great to see those birds........and of course AI probably just locked up there decision on whether to go to IAH or DFW!!!!!


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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7814 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4814 times:

Here is what I think is realistic:

IAH-MUC on LH
More IAH service to Canada (YUL&YEG)
IAH-FRA on CO

Most other routes might be a bit dreamy. I could maybe see an addition flight from IAH-Far East (IAH-NRT on NH maybe).



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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4050 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4793 times:
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I thought I'd throw that in there to get some excitement for our CLE buddies.



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User currently offlineWarren747sp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4541 times:

If the Angolan would approve. Then Houston-Luando-JNB would be the cash cow routes for SA since they can have all the oil companies traveling revenues to Africa.


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User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4299 times:

A few years ago CO was a regular visitor to Australia and New Zealand. AirNZ is the Star carrier in this part of the world. If Star Carriers are attracted to IAH, to work with CO, AKL-IAH looks as though it would be within the range capability of 777-200ERs as operated by AirNZ and by CO. SYD-IAH looks a bit further, so maybe have to wait for 787s.

IAH would be good for people wanting to fly from NZ to UK, if bmi starts flying LHR-IAH as well.

AirNZ did fly a weekly service between AKL and DFW during the 1980s.


User currently offlineCOflyerBOS From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3892 times:

My wish list!

MS 3 times a week to Cairo (777)

NH daily to Narita (777)

SQ to go daily on current route (773)

OZ daily to Seoul (777)

SA daily to Africa (346)

AC to add Edmonton and Montreal (319s)

LH to go double daily Frankfurt (744 and 343)

SK daily to Copenhagen (343)

AI daily to Delhi or Mumbai (777)


User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4721 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 3374 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 9):
Here is what I think is realistic:

IAH-MUC on LH

Would love to see that, but IMO a CO flight with the 762ER would be better to launch the route.



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User currently offlineJamincan From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 776 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3334 times:

I'm quite skeptical that IAH is going to see service from SK, OZ, BD, MS, or NH soon or even in the future. AI, CI, (when it joins star) JJ and LH to MUC all seem like good possibilities.

User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8632 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3248 times:
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Quoting Jamincan (Reply 15):
I'm quite skeptical that IAH is going to see service from SK, OZ, BD, MS, or NH soon or even in the future. AI, CI, (when it joins star) JJ and LH to MUC all seem like good possibilities.

CI ????? , I thought that CI ( China Airlines ) were supposed to be going to Skyteam ?



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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5209 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3153 times:

On the domestic side, I hope UA would put 757s on the ORD, SFO, and DEN routes consistently. Mainline to IAD would be nice and I would like to see a nonstop to LAX - my pipedream would be a 767...


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User currently offlineFUN2FLY From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1091 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3082 times:

I think we'll see some change for the summer 09 season from CO. They are short 2 772's for EWR>PVG until the new deliveries in Aug. Therefore, they have to focuse on right sizing routes to free those up. I think IAH FRA is a given replacing the 2nd AMS, somehow getting enough a/c to make it daily. For years, anetters have said IAH MAD made sense, and even moreso now, but it will have to wait until 2010+.

User currently offlineJamincan From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 776 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 2956 times:



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 16):
CI ????? , I thought that CI ( China Airlines ) were supposed to be going to Skyteam ?

Sorry, CA.


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4050 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 2774 times:
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Quoting FUN2FLY (Reply 18):
I think IAH FRA is a given replacing the 2nd AMS,

not so quick.............our contracts with the oil companies here are tied to the AMS flights. So I doubt that it will go away anytime soon.



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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5209 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 2762 times:

I think CO will allow LH to have the IAH-FRA runs. I'm sure this will mean year round 744 vs. the previously believed summer seasonal upgrade. I'd like to see an IAH-MUC flight with a 330 or 340 as well.


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User currently offlineBOS2LAF From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 2734 times:

When AC announced the job cuts, I started getting very nervous for the US stations staffed by AC, as their collective agreement with the Teamsters is up this year.

From rumblings I've heard, AC has wanted to ditch their staffing at a few of their US stations for quite a while, and IAH has been one of the cities mentioned. I should qualify this by saying that this doesn't come from any official source. Credible, but not official. Its more like watercooler talk... I don't want to start any unnecessary panic on here with US based AC employees.

If IAH gets more AC service as a result of CO joining Star, as some here are predicting, this just might be what saves IAH from the chopping block.


User currently offlineUs330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3877 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 2715 times:



Quoting COflyerBOS (Reply 13):
My wish list!

MS 3 times a week to Cairo (777)

NH daily to Narita (777)

SQ to go daily on current route (773)

OZ daily to Seoul (777)

SA daily to Africa (346)

AC to add Edmonton and Montreal (319s)

LH to go double daily Frankfurt (744 and 343)

SK daily to Copenhagen (343)

AI daily to Delhi or Mumbai (777)

That might be your wishlist, but let's look at what's actually likely.
Snowball's chance in hell: SK and MS
Not very likely: NH, SA
Distinct possibilities: SQ daily, OZ to Seoul, AI to Delhi or Mumbai
Highly probable: AC to Edmonton and Montreal, although more likely with the E-Jet than the A319; LH additional service to FRA, and new service to MUC


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8632 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 2699 times:
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Quoting Us330 (Reply 23):
Distinct possibilities: SQ daily, OZ to Seoul, AI to Delhi or Mumbai

I would also add the possibility of NZ once their 787-9s start arriving - they have previously said that they would consider other gateways in the US with the 787-9s and IAH would be quite well placed for NZ /Australia originating pax as a connecting point for cities without nonstop service on *A from the current gateways of LAX and SFO



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25 COflyerBOS : That's why it's called a wish list... That said, MS has been rumored for years around here to start service to IAH. I am sure things have changed sinc
26 LJ : Unless KLM starts a third AMS-IAH to make sure Skyteam can fulfill its contracts with the oil companies..... I personally wonder if the shift form Sk
27 Ota1 : Well, their intention to form an antitrust immunized alliance with UA, AC and LH indicates the opposite. They are actually planning to have similar o
28 AznMadSci : I've never taken the 2nd AMS flight, but has that one been a strong performer? If it has, then I understand keeping it, otherwise, they could use the
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