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STR: No Second Runway Will Be Built  
User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3789 posts, RR: 29
Posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2610 times:

http://www.focus.de/politik/deutschl...ngers-bruchlandung_aid_313284.html

Nimbys have won, STR will not get another runway. While people might critizise this, I really think this makes sense. There are good train connections to FRA (Only 1 hour 11 minutes, in 10 years less than one hour) from STR, and also MUC will be within reach soon.

But it is also proof to the fact that the region around STR is always blocking themselves, so that it is really their own fault that they still have a WW2 Autobahn and train connection to Munich.

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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13552 posts, RR: 100
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2514 times:
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This is sad.  Sad

I'm a HUGE advocate for transportation expansion (in particular airport capacity and ground transportation to/from the airport).

STR could support so many more flights. Sadly, this shall not happen.

I guess EK's STR ambitions will continue to be frustrated!  duck 

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineFd728 From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2285 times:

Indeed very sad. People keep forgetting that a better infrastucture will create jobs. And those complaining use the airport for their business and leisure trips. Paradox.
But airports in Germany have always been one of the biggest public enemy so I'm not surprised.
STR should at least move the General Aviation to another airport to free up some ressources.


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2268 times:

I am never happy to see NIMBY's win in their attempt to block expansion of airport facilities; however, as was pointed out, there are definitely alternatives. Rail travel is a viable alternative in Europe, and although FRA is getting ridiculously overcrowded, there are alternative airports that can handle traffic.

At least the airport is being forced to close altogether!!



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9756 posts, RR: 31
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2220 times:

It is amazing that with this narrow mind set the STR region still is the major export contrinutor of Germany.

This really proves that only a few are behind of building the wealth and the vast majority does not understand where it comes from. Even with the HSR connections to MUC and FRA - and these are still far from rea.lity since the same narrow minded people are against that project as well - STR would need a second runway to cater for peak traffic.

BTW - the same people complain that jobs are exportet amnd they don't understand that they are one of the keys to that problem.



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User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3789 posts, RR: 29
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2179 times:



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 4):

Yes, and yet they always complain that money gets to East Germany and other parts of Germany. While this is correct, if they did not bitch about everything, they would already have achieved more. Things which can be built in 5 years in the west and east take 40 there.


User currently offlineIcna05e From France, joined Feb 2006, 300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2082 times:

Whey did they plan on expanding exactly? By looking at GoogleEart pictures, I see they are almost reaching suburbs in any direction, maybe excepted to the North of the motorway. And on a side note, what are the 2 huge rows of hangar, almost parallel, we can see to the North of the apron? More terminal space being built?

I think expansion should be done mainly by replacing current aircraft with higher capacity, not by adding more flights. Trade some short-haul slots against transatlantic and such!


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9756 posts, RR: 31
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1992 times:



Quoting Icna05e (Reply 6):

I think expansion should be done mainly by replacing current aircraft with higher capacity, not by adding more flights. Trade some short-haul slots against transatlantic and such

That is not the traffic pattern in STR,they have few intercont flights, for those it males sense to take an ICE train to FRA, but it does not make sense to go to FRA on a shoirt European flight.

STR is an automotive centre and they need flights to other automotive centres like TRN or GRZ anmd tjhose flights have to be in the morning and evening, with 70 seaters, just to mention one.

We have that ususal situatio here where NIMBYs together with so called environmentalists create a situation that is neither good for the environment, as it creates holding pattersn and not good for the business as well. Money has to be earned every day, and for that it needs the adequate infrastructure. Simple as that.

Another chance lost.

.



Es saugt und blaest der Heinzelmann wo Mutti sonst nur blasen kann. Frueher war mehr Lametta.
User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 1848 times:



Quoting Icna05e (Reply 6):
Whey did they plan on expanding exactly?

Location 1: North of the motorway.
Location 2: To the south of the existing runway, offset to the east.
In both locations the new runway would have been parallel to the existing one.

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 1):
I guess EK's STR ambitions will continue to be frustrated!

It is "traffic rights" that is keeping EK away from STR, even though "terrain" is predicting to use the runway in reverse direction for heavies in hot summer sometimes.

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 3):
At least the airport is being forced to close altogether!!

Huh ? Which airport is closing ?

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 7):
That is not the traffic pattern in STR,they have few intercont flights,

Exactly one intercontinental flight to speak of (neglecting flights across the Mediterranean Sea to North Africa and Turkey) : DL to ATL
-HT



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8978 posts, RR: 39
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 1808 times:

With eight jetways and what looks like remote space for another 5 or so pax aircraft, a second runway doesn't seem a high priority. Though it might be a good idea to acquire land before the airport is surrounded by buildings on all sides.

[Edited 2008-06-25 12:11:36]


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User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 1780 times:



Quoting PPVRA (Reply 9):
With eight jetways and what looks like remote space for another 5 or so pax aircraft, a second runway doesn't seem a high priority.

Only 8 jetways (PBB's), but 52 aircraft stands (with a lot of bussing pax across the apron) and 10.3 million pax in 2007 (7m pax international).
Landside, STR is a mixed bag with officially 4 terminals (T1 thru T4) plus another check-in area dubbed T0, all of them with different designs but interconnected. Total capacity is about 14m pax.
T4 is a former hangar and really is not the place where one wants to wait for a long time to check in.
Of the major airports in Germany, I found STR the one being the least comfortable oen (I disregard TXL and SXF here which are slated for closure resp. rebuild).

On a positive side, there is a visitors terrace (incl. some a/c on display) at STR, but a/c to be seen only are of the smaller types (A320s/B737) with DL's B763 to ATL the only regular widebody.

Re "runway": Queues for departure are quite common in the morning, which is a major problem for the LCCs having a base at STR (X3 and 4U), possibly creating knock-on effects throughout the day ...
Also, having only one runway regularly causes problems during snow where the single runway needs to be closed for snow removal causing even further delays.
-HT



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9756 posts, RR: 31
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 1773 times:

They have 56 positions and AFAIK additonal positiones have been part of the planning.

Interesting the reason cited by the state government., The airport uses only 65% of its capacity which means there is no need for a second runway.

Now, this PM is a real joker. 65% means that peak hours are saturated and even with a bulge caused by peak oil, from 65 to 100% takes less time than it takes to get a runway approved. . i

Di we really deserve such Idi**s in governments?



Es saugt und blaest der Heinzelmann wo Mutti sonst nur blasen kann. Frueher war mehr Lametta.
User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 1737 times:



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 11):
AFAIK additonal positiones have been part of the planning.

To be built (as remote stands) once the fuel farm has been moved completely, IIRC.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 11):
Interesting the reason cited by the state government., The airport uses only 65% of its capacity which means there is no need for a second runway.

No need to comment on this ...  banghead 
-HT



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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13552 posts, RR: 100
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1688 times:
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Quoting HT (Reply 8):

It is "traffic rights" that is keeping EK away from STR,

Naturally. Sometimes I have a dry sense of humor.  Wink

Sad it won't be expanded. But then again, 3 hubs for Germany might be enough (once BBI is built out).

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1661 times:



Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 13):
But then again, 3 hubs for Germany might be enough (once BBI is built out).

A hub for whom ? LH ? Never !

A hub for X3's charter routes to the Mediterranean in winter ?
Avoid it, as long as the tenants at STR are so ignorant to not have a single food & drink outlet open airside when all these pax arrive in the evening ... happened to me on two out of two occasions with DE and X3 (HF). Plus, it was snowing meaning even further delays in the evening.
-HT



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