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Japan To Develop Supersonic Aircraft In March 2002  
User currently offlineZennor From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 5 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1614 times:

Beginning in March of 2002, the National Aerospace Laboratory of the Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science, and Technology of Japan will work on developing a new supersonic jet. The proposed aircraft will reportedly have the ability to complete Tokyo-to-Los Angeles routes in less than five hours and will begin operating commercially in less than 20 years. The ministry plans to launch a smaller 11.5-meter model of the plane, without an engine or pilot, via a rocket from Australia to collect data concerning creating greater fuselage lift and lower air pressure. Depending on the results, the ministry will conduct trials with smaller models powered by engines between 2004 and 2006. Reportedly, the new jet will have an 11,000-kilometer range and will be able to carry 300 passengers. Scientists involved in the project also say that the jet will emit 25 percent as much nitrogen oxide as the Concorde and about as much noise as a standard jumbo jet. Japan may need to cooperate with a non-Japanese partner on the project.

source: BBC News, 2001-02-19

Anyone with more info on this?

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User currently offlinePmk From United States of America, joined May 1999, 664 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (13 years 5 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1546 times:

If my grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon! Won't happen, not viable, just a pride shot by the Japanese. Remember the Japanese are not inventors, they are memerely innovators, the technology is there, is the market there? No, it is not. Just the word from the BBA in the group.

Peter


User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (13 years 5 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1501 times:

The market might not be there, but, so what? There is a niche. You don't make Ferrari's because there is a market for them either.


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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11214 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (13 years 5 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1471 times:

"just a pride shot by the Japanese. "

Hey, if the Europeans can have theirs (A380) why can't the Japanese have theirs?

(Although, I can't see the Japanese selling it for less than it's worth.)



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User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (13 years 5 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1449 times:

A supersonic aircraft will never be viable until the technology to accelerate an a/c past Mach 1 w/o afterburners is declassified by the military.

User currently offlineEarly Air From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 611 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (13 years 5 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1439 times:

Does anyone know if the aircraft will create a sonic boom?

Rgds,
Early Air


User currently offlineFP_v2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 5 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1425 times:

Anything that goes supersonic creates a sonic boom.

User currently offlineStratifier From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 5 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1415 times:

Yeah I heard this on the radio back then. The companies who are now working with Boeing (Fuji, Kawasaki and Mitsubishi Heavy Industries) are also taking part in this.

User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 8, posted (13 years 5 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1396 times:

I say "go for it"!!!!
Let the Japanese have their "pride". Let Airbus do likewise.
Then, when they lie in financial ruin (well maybe not Airbus because they are on subsidy anyway) because of some non-tangible concept such as pride or arrogance blinded them from reality, Boeing will be laughing all the way to the bank.


User currently offlineSeasonedflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 5 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1393 times:

If you do some Internet searching you'll find some good info on NASA's high speed commercial aircraft research.

From what I've read to date, the only real holdup to a new supersonic jetliner is the slow to mature engine technology. As soon as they solve a couple of key issues on the engines, I think you'll see a 'sudden' resurgence of interest in the SST.

Airlines would love this aircraft as they will be able to double the utilization of their international route aircraft.....in other words, one 300 seat SST replaces two 767's. This means that the airlines can afford a 30% increase in aircraft cost because they are making twice the revenue with it!


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13738 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (13 years 5 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1367 times:

This is quite interesting. Therea re two points people. One is the efficiency and economic value of such an aircraft. Take Concorde, it is worthless. But when it gets in the air it will make money. JOKE! Do you get it???!!!! But it makes BA only £10 to £20 million and therefore it more of a status symbol. If this plane can pass that milestong then it's fantastic and should be engraved in gold.

Now, is there need? Would Singapore Airlines need such a fast plane for the LHR - SIA route? Would biz pax pay more for a service.

A PARADOX



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User currently offlineTWAneedsNOhelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (13 years 5 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1343 times:

Don't reall understand your comment D L X:

"......I can't see the Japanese selling it for less than it's worth."

The Japanese are notorious for so called "dumping" or selling a product for a loss to gain market share. In fact, when the large Japanese car comapnies first entered the US car market, they did just that to introduce Americans to their porducts, and once they became popular, they could raise prices to above production costs. In thr 1980s the Japanese were very savvy businessmen. At one point, much of NY's prominent real estate (including Rock. Center was owned by Japanese firms.) This has all changed however, althogh Toyota, Honda, and Sony are still very strong. Nissan, with much help from the French, is on its way to recovery.



User currently offlineMikeybien From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 5 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1330 times:

This may be just pure speculation, but the japanese might be trying to kick start their aviation industry by beginning this project. When france and england finished the concorde, thier engineers had 20 years of experience working with state of the art design. So while the concorde may have been an economic failure, the lessons learned from building it surely helped Airbus in the long run.
As far as i'm concerned, if the japanese want to make it, more power to them. i don't care that the concorde was made in a different county, i still think it's a work of art and i would view any other country's attempt to make a sst the same way.


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