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AA 777 Business Class Refit Status  
User currently offlineGojetset From United States of America, joined May 2007, 43 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 6 months 13 hours ago) and read 5013 times:

Hello,

Just wanted to see if anyone had any additional information on the status of the business class cabin refits and AVOD installation for the AA 777s.

I will hopefully be traveling with AA in August in business on their LAX-LHR route, and wanted to see if it will have the new seats/AVOD installed.

Thank you

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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4814 times:

Most of the 777 fleet has been completed, only a handful that are still waiting for conversion. Chances are you will get the new configuration.

User currently offlineCayMan From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4682 times:

Have any 763s been converted or are they going to be?

User currently offlineA380US From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4673 times:



Quoting CayMan (Reply 2):
Have any 763s been converted or are they going to be?

I think they all have.



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User currently offlineJDAirCEO From Uruguay, joined Jan 2006, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4659 times:

All of the 763 have been converted to the new configuration.

There are some 777 with out the new seats but since March I've only run across one. The new entertainment system on these aircraft are not the best out there. If a particular seat's system is having a problem they will give you one to sit on the tray table.



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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4529 times:



Quoting JDAirCEO (Reply 4):
The new entertainment system on these aircraft are not the best out there.

In the beginning there were a lot of issues with it. There was more than one occasion where the entire system was inop on flights. Not something that paying passengers were happy to find out when they boarded. However most of the bugs have been worked out of the system.


User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1234 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4502 times:



Quoting LMP737 (Reply 5):
There was more than one occasion where the entire system was inop on flights. Not something that paying passengers were happy to find out when they boarded. However most of the bugs have been worked out of the system.

Do AA give compensation when the PTVs are not working?

Flew VS last year from LHR-SFO and the V:port was not working and they could only play movies on a loop with only 1 movie available at a time. They gave us 6000 flying club miles for the trouble. This was in Y, not sure what they gave J class pax.



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User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2127 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4465 times:



Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 6):

Do AA give compensation when the PTVs are not working?

The way North American airlines cut costs and service, definetly not. Also with most other airlines it is very unlikely that you get compensation


User currently offlineQQflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2297 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4426 times:

AA has 47 777s. 43 have been converted, four remain to be converted.

FYI, the first 762 to get the new first class seats is complete, tail # 323. In addition to the new seats, the 762 is also getting the Pansonic eFX entertaintment system, like the one on the 763 (and eventually 757s).



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User currently offlineNYCAAer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 693 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4418 times:

There are only 4 777s that have not been reconfigured, so your chances of getting the new configuration are almost definite.

All of the 763s have have had the re-fit. Now the next big thing for the 763s is the addition of winglets, the first one is due out next month, tail no. 389, which will fly roues around the system on a test basis first.

There are still major issues with the video system on the 777, so we now board 50 personal entertainment devices in a cart for passengers who have an inoperative screen. The cart is really heavy and it must be a burden on fuel costs right now. Hopefully they'll have the system fixed soon. I worked a trip JFK-LHR-JFK last week where we had 10 screens in F/C that were inop.

No compensation for passengers if the screen isn't working, just an apology from a flight attendant who has little control over what the big-wigs decide to give us to work with. Giving frequent flyer miles is a nice idea, though.

[Edited 2008-06-25 08:40:23]

User currently offlinePhileet92 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4397 times:

Any word of AA planning to replace those Flagship Suites anytime soon? or atleast upgrade them. The PTVs i know are really starting to become ancient. What are they? like 6"-9"?

User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4213 times:



Quoting Phileet92 (Reply 10):
Any word of AA planning to replace those Flagship Suites anytime soon? or atleast upgrade them. The PTVs i know are really starting to become ancient. What are they? like 6"-9"?

I doubt it will be anytime soon since they put the Flagship Suites in the Atlantic configured 777 fleet. With money being tight as it is I don't see them replacing the current PTV's anytime in the near future. Especially with programs like the 757/767 MAUI upgrades coming down the line.


User currently offlineJDAirCEO From Uruguay, joined Jan 2006, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4178 times:

If your system is inop give reservations a call and the right supervisor will give you some miles.

I did DFW-NRT the other week and there were two f/c systems inop. The tech guy on this flight could not fix them so personal systems were given.

Did the 762 also get the new bins and J seat covers? Or just the new F seat?



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User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7444 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4148 times:
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Quoting QQflyboy (Reply 8):
FYI, the first 762 to get the new first class seats is complete, tail # 323. In addition to the new seats, the 762 is also getting the Pansonic eFX entertaintment system, like the one on the 763 (and eventually 757s).

Are all 762s slated to get these seats as well?



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User currently offlineSmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1554 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4064 times:



Quoting QQflyboy (Reply 8):
FYI, the first 762 to get the new first class seats is complete, tail # 323. In addition to the new seats, the 762 is also getting the Pansonic eFX entertaintment system, like the one on the 763 (and eventually 757s).

Sorry guys get a bit confused with American carriers at times and their 'First Class' is this for domestic flights on the 762 mainly? what are these seats like, does anyone have any pics? and are th above mentioned eFX sytem built in or are they the units?
Sorry rather daft of me I know


User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3768 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4015 times:



Quoting LXA340 (Reply 7):
The way North American airlines cut costs and service, definetly not. Also with most other airlines it is very unlikely that you get compensation

You couldn't be any more wrong if you tried, frankly.

AA will most certainly give you miles for a variety of reasons, including an inop IFE. All it takes is a letter or a phone call to customer service, it happens every day.



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User currently offlineQQflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2297 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3977 times:



Quoting JDAirCEO (Reply 12):
Did the 762 also get the new bins and J seat covers? Or just the new F seat?

Bins remain the same, however, the J-class seats got new covers a few months ago. They now match the j-class seats on the 763s.

Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 13):
Are all 762s slated to get these seats as well?

All 762s will be converted (there's only 15) and should be completed sometime this fall.

Quoting Smi0006 (Reply 14):
Sorry guys get a bit confused with American carriers at times and their 'First Class' is this for domestic flights on the 762 mainly? what are these seats like, does anyone have any pics? and are th above mentioned eFX sytem built in or are they the units?

It can be confusing, hope this helps straighten it out. AA's 762s are configured with first, business and coach. They are three class domestic a/c that fly premium routes out of JFK to LAX and SFO.

In general, if an aircraft has only two classes, it will be called first and coach on domestic flights, business and coach on international flights. These designations aren't set in stone, they're just marketing labels and can vary from carrier to carrier.

The Panaonic eFX system is a digital file server for the entire a/c. It replaces tape based systems and provides added functionality and options for the airlines. The eFX system, as AA has it, does not support PTVs. AA's premium transcon flights offer personal, digital entertainment systems in premium cabins.

The new first class seat is actually the former first class seat on the 763s. I thought there was a picture of the seat on here, but there isn't. If you have seen the previous first class seat on the 763s, before they went to a two-class aircraft, those are the seats. I don't know if they will retain the shell on the backside in the 762s.



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User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2482 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3965 times:



Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 6):
Do AA give compensation when the PTVs are not working?

Had my PTV inop for the entire NRT-DFW flight and did not get compensation nor seek it. I just read a book.

Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 9):
No compensation for passengers if the screen isn't working, just an apology from a flight attendant who has little control over what the big-wigs decide to give us to work with. Giving frequent flyer miles is a nice idea, though.

FA were quite nice on my NRT-DFW flight and one of them even offered me his PSP...


User currently offlineAlbird87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks ago) and read 3920 times:



Quoting QQflyboy (Reply 8):

FYI, the first 762 to get the new first class seats is complete, tail # 323. In addition to the new seats, the 762 is also getting the Pansonic eFX entertaintment system, like the one on the 763 (and eventually 757s).

Interesting! would love to see the new interior of the 762s! I am going up to JFK in september and hoping to go on the 762 flight from MIA! However as far as i have heard, the 762s will not be getting the new biz class. They are just getting re covered and fixed up but wont be the new lie flat!

Quoting Phileet92 (Reply 10):
Any word of AA planning to replace those Flagship Suites anytime soon? or atleast upgrade them. The PTVs i know are really starting to become ancient. What are they? like 6"-9"?

There is nothing wrong with the Flagship suite! I was on a trip a while ago with the seat and it is a great seat. I had one old A/C config and one with the new AAVOD. Ok yes the screen are now small compared to some airlines now a days but i still think that the PTVs are not that bad. Yes it would be nice for them to get a 15" monitor but that wont happen im sure!


User currently offlineQQflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2297 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3874 times:



Quoting Albird87 (Reply 18):
However as far as i have heard, the 762s will not be getting the new biz class. They are just getting re covered and fixed up but wont be the new lie flat!

This is true. Installing the new J-class seat on the 762s would be overkill for the five hour flights those a/c operate. In addition, the J-class seat pitch on the 762s would not allow the new seat to be installed while maintaining 30 J-class seats. The old seats did get new covers to match the new J-class on the 763, but that is the extent of that cabin's upgrades.

Quoting Phileet92 (Reply 10):
Any word of AA planning to replace those Flagship Suites anytime soon? or atleast upgrade them. The PTVs i know are really starting to become ancient. What are they? like 6"-9"?

Not likely. AA just installed the Flagship Suite on the Pacific configured 777s. If there was going to be a bigger monitor, it would have been installed then. The only modification made to the Flagship Suite was to eliminate the tape door for personal videos, as the new system is entirely digital.

Interestingly, the monitor in the new J-class seat on the 777 is bigger than what the Flagship Suite offers.



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User currently offlineJDAirCEO From Uruguay, joined Jan 2006, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3823 times:

I wonder if they are going to install the new bins and wall panels? Seems like a costly upgrade. Alougth maybe they could install them will wiring for the wifi system. The 763 looks clean and fresher in J when compaired to the 762.


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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3815 times:



Quoting JDAirCEO (Reply 20):
I wonder if they are going to install the new bins and wall panels? Seems like a costly upgrade. Alougth maybe they could install them will wiring for the wifi system. The 763 looks clean and fresher in J when compaired to the 762.

The sidewall panels will be replaced with new ones. However the overhead bins will remain the same.


User currently offlineAlbird87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3736 times:



Quoting JDAirCEO (Reply 20):
Alougth maybe they could install them will wiring for the wifi system.

um not to sound rash but isnt the point of the wifi system is to not have wires???

The new bins would be great addition to the 762s! it would bring a fresher look to the cabins! And also its not like its going to be a problem as when the seats are installed, the cabin is ripped out anyway while checks go on. It would only mean that instead of putting the old bins back, the new ones are put in.


User currently offlineQQflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2297 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3704 times:



Quoting Albird87 (Reply 22):
um not to sound rash but isnt the point of the wifi system is to not have wires???

Yep, no wires. The new wifi system is actually quite light, too, thanks to no wires. Between the antenna and system itself, the total weight if I remember right was under 100 pounds. For PTVs you're looking at about five pounds per seat.

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 22):
The new bins would be great addition to the 762s! it would bring a fresher look to the cabins!

New bins would certainly be nice, but considering when they installed them on the 763 they only did so through the twilight zone to save money. It's a very expensive mod to make, and although appearance would improve, they really don't give a whole lot more functionality, especially the center bins. Those things are dinky.



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User currently offlineGojetset From United States of America, joined May 2007, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3675 times:

Thanks for the info everyone.

I just confirmed my tickets. Hopefully I will get an oppurtunity to experiance the new business seats


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